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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:20:05 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by italianstallion on Mon Dec 24 22:34:06 2007. Why are you citing "rule of law" on one hand and saying that you "don't give a damn what the Texas penal code says" on the other? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:21:59 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by aem7ac on Sun Dec 23 19:01:09 2007. This is Suffolk County, they're all racist out thereProff? If they really were "all racist out there", they wouldn't have let anyone of the "wrong race" to purchase homes in that county. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:23:05 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by aem7ac on Tue Dec 25 12:28:57 2007. That makes you an automatic wanker and a stupid tosser.He doesn't know what those epithets mean. I do, though. And you're a bollocks. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 26 13:25:06 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:10:45 2007. Same way they asked me if i had 50 cents..Before they jumped me.. Oh BTW they wasnt white.. They was Black... One on one ot one one two or three i can handle but one on 12 dont think so.. So was life in The Bronx.. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:25:24 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Dec 25 11:52:22 2007. Which were the minority of the police shooting scandals that you failed to back the police up on?In case anyone forgot I'm a registered Republican. I'm the last person that should be considered left-wing. However, I'm still black. Right is right and wrong is wrong And in this case, you are wrong and Mr. White was wrong. You're quite the left-winger and a racist to boot. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:29:44 2007, in response to Re: I guess ny sucks, posted by aem7ac on Sun Dec 23 19:48:34 2007. You don't know anything. Even up North, if you find an intruder in your house or on your property, you can use lethal force. Read this, just for one example of one northern state. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:32:30 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 19:26:14 2007. The majority of my friends are CaucasianThat's a racist remark. Whites do not come from the Caucasus Mountains. in this case a man protected his son from a group of cowards False. Nobody entered his house. He didn't call the police. He was anything but valiant. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 26 13:37:16 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:32:30 2007. The man should have kept his son inside the house and called the cops period..Let the cops work it out.. That kid should have never Stepped to that man who had a gun in his hand a Dumb and fatal Mistake.. Like i said before "being tough" and "acting tough" are different.. Most of the times "acting tough" can get you hurt or killed.. "Being Tough" is knowing when you dont have the upper hand and stepping back.. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:59:28 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 26 13:37:16 2007. All true. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 26 14:01:39 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:32:30 2007. He was a concerned father. He has every right to walk his property armed. Especially when he see two car loads of kids coming to confront his son late at night. Take the race factors out this case, and we wouldn't even know about it.I see Cicciaro as a bully more than Mr. White as a vigilante. Don't you? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 14:07:35 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 26 14:01:39 2007. He has every right to walk his property armedWith an illegal gun? Take the race factors out this case, and we wouldn't even know about it Not necessarily. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 26 14:08:51 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 26 14:01:39 2007. I see Cicciaro as a bully more than Mr. White as a vigilante. Don't you?He wasnt a bully, far from it with two car loads of his boys with him?? A bully wont step to a man with a loaded gun... Only a fool would... Or somebody with a death wish.. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Dec 26 15:55:19 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Dec 24 22:23:48 2007. That's what some are asking you about. Amanda made a great point, that this case IS NOT ABOUT RACE. A crime is still a crime period.You need to stop making this about race. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 26 17:11:10 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 26 14:08:51 2007. Yeah, but showing up like that is still a bully trait. Going to someone's home late at night with a bunch of friends is intimidating, which is what bullies do.The young tough guy got the shot, I mean shock of his life, when someone stood up to him. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 26 17:14:27 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 26 17:11:10 2007. The young tough guy got the shot, I mean shock of his life, when someone stood up to him.There was nothing "tough" about him he was a chump and a punk.. You got a beef man up and deal with it not bring yer boys.. Im sure he was more shocked when that gun went off.. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 26 17:16:24 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 26 17:14:27 2007. Tough guy= bully.To me anyway. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 26 17:18:30 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 26 17:16:24 2007. Ok got ya understood.. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 26 18:16:30 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 26 14:08:51 2007. "He wasnt a bully, far from it with two car loads of his boys with him??"That's part of what a bully does. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Wed Dec 26 19:35:26 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 19:26:14 2007. I wouldn't say "valiant". However, I do feel the penalty for Mr White is out of line considering he was both outnumbered and they were on his property. Let's keep in mind that 4 racist pieces of shit were about to harm(kill?) your son. I think Mr White deserves some understanding. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 19:56:50 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by shiznit1987 on Wed Dec 26 19:35:26 2007. However, I do feel the penalty for Mr White is out of line considering he was both outnumbered and they were on his propertyHow about considering his not calling the police as soon as he saw them, and his brandishing an illegal gun, which he claimed went off "accidentally"? Max for second degree manslaughter is 15 years. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 26 22:29:29 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Dec 25 11:53:43 2007. GROW A DICK! If the fact that I have a different point of view on this subject makes me a racist then the fact that you have a different opinion than I do, makes you a moron. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 26 22:38:57 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 26 13:25:06 2007. Asking for $5.00 in the 1970s is balls. Asking for $5.00 in the 1970s while pointing a screwdriver at the "victim" is criminal - end of story. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 26 22:39:45 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:20:05 2007. Perhaps he's a practicing hypocrite? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Dec 26 22:45:57 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 26 12:53:19 2007. "So when do YOU speak for Black People??"When do you speak for the Appalachian poor? When do you speak for elderly getting attacked by racist thugs? When do you speak for anything? Appearing self-righteous is the easiest thing in the world. You ain't any better than the rest of us. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 26 22:46:03 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by shiznit1987 on Wed Dec 26 19:35:26 2007. "However, I do feel the penalty for Mr White is out of line considering he was both outnumbered and they were on his property."Well far be it from me to try to unconfuse you but since Mr. White will not be sentenced until February at the earliest, your assertation that the penalty is excessive is a bit premature. Don't you think so? |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Thu Dec 27 01:17:46 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by shiznit1987 on Wed Dec 26 19:35:26 2007. Empathy is a trait that many people in this thread lack. Never again will I be so gullible and trusting of people. I've been through countless flame wars at various transit websites but never before have I seen the dark side of society like I've seen here. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 27 07:16:26 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 26 22:38:57 2007. Train Dude and me getting jumped wasnt??I never said this happend in 1970 i was just born then.. THIS happened in 1984 on a South bound 4 train at Kingsbridge Road.. Nobody called the cops nobody helped.... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 27 07:21:26 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 19:26:14 2007. And you want to become a LAWYER?You need critical thinking and analysis skills to become a lawyer... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 27 07:22:13 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by ntrainride on Wed Dec 26 22:45:57 2007. Appearing self-righteous is the easiest thing in the world. You ain't any better than the rest of us.You have NO idea what i do besides move the train so spare me that.. None... IF you read the rest of the post the first thing is "dealing" with a problem is starting from "within" but i think that's a bit too deep for you though.. THATS the hardest part of it.. looking "inside" yourself.. I did .. Do you?? You dont know me from beans find any post that states i even THINK like that then get back to me.. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 27 07:24:24 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 27 07:22:13 2007. don't mind ntrainride, lol |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 27 07:29:54 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Dec 27 01:17:46 2007. Empathy is a trait that many people in this thread lack. Never again will I be so gullible and trusting of people. I've been through countless flame wars at various transit websites but never before have I seen the dark side of society like I've seen here.This is nothing just a message board.. Where peoples opinion are their opinions typed on a keypad and thats it. NOW i have SEEN up close and personal the "dark side" of human nature and let me tell you its not pretty at all.. Down right scary it took me a LONG time to have any kind of trust in anybody after the things i went through at such a young age. I mean Parents and family can do so much sometimes, really.. I had to start "within" frist thats the hardest step to make.. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 27 07:31:12 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 27 07:24:24 2007. Thats Ok Terrapin we each have our "views" on the matter its cool..He said what he had to say and i said what i had to say.. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 27 07:58:30 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 27 07:31:12 2007. i don't think he "had" to say it... |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 27 09:51:23 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 19:56:50 2007. How about considering his not calling the police as soon as he saw them, and his brandishing an illegal gun, which he claimed went off "accidentally"?Putting the word accidentally in quotes borders on libel. The DA never charged him with murder, which would have been the appropriate charge if there was a claim that the gun was deliberately discharged. The point of manslaughter (which is what the DA charged him with) is that he was reckless in having a loaded gun there in the first place. |
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Posted by 3440 on Thu Dec 27 09:55:48 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 25 07:43:18 2007. there's some racist people on subchat now?...that's news to me.BJC |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 27 17:08:59 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 27 07:16:26 2007. I was talking about Bernie goetz |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 27 17:23:50 2007, in response to Re: I guess ny sucks, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 26 13:04:25 2007. Only because we let in every latin gang on earth. It was safer, and more integrated than the north.Look at any statistic, or experience it yourself. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 27 17:24:49 2007, in response to Re: I guess ny sucks, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 27 17:23:50 2007. Now I realize I'll have the stupid race card after me. But you go look at the most wanted lists and all the FBI MI13 or whatever the heck gang busts they do. When they're not even legally here. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 27 17:26:10 2007, in response to Re: I guess ny sucks, posted by aem7ac on Sun Dec 23 19:48:34 2007. Yea, because rustbelt cities are so safe and civilized.If your definition of civilized is harassing some guy with possible mental issues and taunting him with racial slurs, you can keep it. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 27 17:28:06 2007, in response to Re: I guess ny sucks, posted by aem7ac on Sun Dec 23 20:57:14 2007. The smaller papers feel like small syndicated papers. in size and quantity.Next time I'm stuck in a small area, I may splurge for the USA Today if I can find them. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 27 17:29:05 2007, in response to Re: I guess ny sucks, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Dec 23 21:30:52 2007. I'm noticing that some big companies are even posting classifieds on Craigslist.I can't figure out how the founder makes money on that site. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 27 17:30:22 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by italianstallion on Mon Dec 24 00:55:49 2007. "And there was a racial component there too -- homeowner was white, victims Hispanic. He too should do time. "Are you saying that minorities that commit crimes should be punished harsher? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Dec 29 13:35:34 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 27 17:08:59 2007. Ok got you..Im sure that taught em something... If you are gonna STEP to somebody have something more than a screwdriver.. Either have a Gat or Two or sheer numbers so if one goes down the rest can put some work in.. Oh my had a flashback there.. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 29 16:09:20 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Thu Dec 27 01:17:46 2007. You have serious problems if you are unable to deal with people having opinions different from yours. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 29 16:10:00 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 27 07:21:26 2007. And being able to accept that others see things differently, which apparently he can't. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 29 16:11:08 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 23 19:26:14 2007. The majority of your friends are from Georgia, Armenia or Azerbaijan? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 29 21:21:35 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 27 09:51:23 2007. Putting the word accidentally in quotes borders on libelTell the newspapers that. The DA never charged him with murder, which would have been the appropriate charge if there was a claim that the gun was deliberately discharged White was originally charged with second-degree murder . . . the grand jury gave the manslaughter indictment. |
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Posted by metropod on Sun Dec 30 00:23:16 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Tue Dec 25 11:53:43 2007. Listen bucko, I grew up in a law family. I have 8 cops, Comissoner Kelly's secritary, one lawyer, and the friken mayor-elect of chappaqua, NY. I know what leggel rights mr white had to his disposal. I just wrote a post to the guys at transitspot in ther automovtie section on your rights when you get your car towed for a parking violation by a private contractor.Mr. white had no legel right to have a gun, let alone two. In NYS, your require to have a permit to own one. None of the young men entered Mr. white's house, the actual building. Outside, he had no right to shoot. All he had to do was call 911. the young men would have been arrested, the kid would be alive, and mr. white wouldn't be looking at 15 years in Sing Sing. but no, he had to go and be macho. he had somthing to prove. the moment he left his house, he was wrong. umong other things, they were outnumber, not even a good shooter could deal with the odds white I'm not being racist. I'm folloing the law. New York regulates the usseage of wepons. Illegel possetion of a firearm in altest the city of New York carries an automatic 3 year senentence upon conviction here, you know that. if you are cought with a gun your not supposed to have, kiss the next 36 months of your life good by. Chris is right. whites discriminate against each other, and they do it often. I'm Irish two (well, a little over 1/2 Irish. I'm also germen, french, Slovianian and posiably Italian). But to add to that, my father's bloodline (which is pure Irish) is of the clan Ó hEidhin. We were the local rulers of an area called Uí Fhiachrach Aidhne in current County Galway from the 11th to 17th centuries. (long story short, I'm minor Irish noblity) The British just moved in and took over under Oliver Cromwell. Treated my ansestors like dirt for at least 300 years. we went from a powerful clan to nothing becuase we stuck, not only to being Irish, but with the Catholic Church. The famine in the 1800s, wasn't the whole Potatto crop, but what we were growing for ourselves. The brittish took what was good for home with them and left us starving. I've even heard of black discriminating over the shade of black thier skin is. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 30 00:37:12 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by metropod on Sun Dec 30 00:23:16 2007. If someone threatened to harm your mother, son, or daughter then you would do everything in your power to stop that person. It's hard to understand this unless you have kids. Honestly, I believe that the majority of the people that are in favor of White being incarcerated are simply misinformed. Only a few people are flat out bigots. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Dec 30 01:18:43 2007, in response to Re: John White Found Guilty, posted by Forest Glen on Sun Dec 30 00:37:12 2007. Vey true....but at least start with a 911 cal.Jimmymc25 |
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