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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Oct 13 09:12:47 2025 Isreal should have taken over all of gaza, allow Jews to live there, and deport all of the so-called palestinians. This is nothing short of an Israeli surrender. This is why foreign aid hurts Israel. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Oct 13 09:38:07 2025, in response to Horrible agreement, posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Oct 13 09:12:47 2025. Under the circumstances, it was the best Israel could hope for. What I am most upset about is that Sinwar's wife and children were allowed to escape to Turkey. I would hope at some point they suffer the same fate as many Israeli families suffered on October 7. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 13 10:34:54 2025, in response to Horrible agreement, posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Oct 13 09:12:47 2025. The surviving hostages would have been killed.Unfortunately, you can't deport the beoble of Gaza without some country willing to accept them, and who would? Even if they successfully deported everyone from Gaza, then Israel would become a pariah state and would have to become autarkic like North Korea. Israel is between a rock and a hard place with regard to the terror hive in Gaza. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 13 10:35:36 2025, in response to Horrible agreement, posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Oct 13 09:12:47 2025. It'll fall apart tomorrow. Another winner, Witkoff. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 13 10:41:55 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 13 10:35:36 2025. Israel got the hostages back and maintains its military superiority in the event it ever needs to invade Gaza again, which is unfortunately inevitable.The worst part is that as usual Israel has to release murders from its prisons where they can rejoin the terror networks. They won't do it, but Israel needs to enact capital punishment. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 13 11:26:17 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 13 10:35:36 2025. Already an explosion in Egypt as Trump's plane was landing. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Oct 13 14:05:06 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 13 10:41:55 2025. I agree. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 13 16:17:54 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 13 10:41:55 2025. Israel needs to enact capital punishmentYes, and yesterday. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 13 16:20:58 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 13 10:41:55 2025. JFTR, Israel does have capital punishment, but only for genocide, "crimes against humanity" (whatever that means), and treason. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Oct 13 16:32:51 2025, in response to Horrible agreement, posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Oct 13 09:12:47 2025. AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Oct 13 16:33:14 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 13 16:17:54 2025. LIKE TEXASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ???????? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 13 16:55:50 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreemunt, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 13 16:20:58 2025. Thanks. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 13 17:10:13 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 13 10:41:55 2025. That sucks that Israel cannot trust those mussulmen. We all know they won't keep their end. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 13 17:53:16 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 13 17:10:13 2025. It's called revanchism. It is a humiliation for them that the erstwhile dhimmis established a state in a core part of their historic empire.Any other revanchist movement is considered bad by the civilized world, but the Arabs get a pass. When Russia invaded Ukraine everyone other than lefty tankies condemned it and compared Putin to Hitler, but in Israel when the Arabs raped and massacred their way through Israel on 10/7 the same people condemned Israel for a supposed "genocide." This isn't a coincidence. Palestinianism is a creation of the Soviet Union. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 13 18:09:24 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Oct 13 17:10:13 2025. Nobody can. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Oct 14 15:52:12 2025, in response to Horrible agreement, posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Oct 13 09:12:47 2025. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 14 15:55:26 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Oct 14 15:52:12 2025. Come on. Hamas already violated the agreement by declaring through a spokesman that they refuse to cede control of Gaza. Look it up.Pity that they didn't give the released terrorists some exploding pagers as a parting gift, right? Should have given them all some exploding suppositories; they like things up there . . . |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Oct 14 16:13:35 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 14 15:55:26 2025. Did you watch the video? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 14 16:53:32 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Oct 14 16:13:35 2025. Do you watch my videos? |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Oct 14 17:26:25 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 14 16:53:32 2025. WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ANSWERING MY QUESTION WITH A QUESTION? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Oct 14 17:28:38 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Oct 14 17:26:25 2025. It is her way of deflection when she won't or can't give an answer. Don't take it personally. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 14 17:31:19 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Oct 14 17:28:38 2025. You're a weirdo. I'm male. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 14 17:31:29 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue Oct 14 17:26:25 2025. Why not? |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Oct 14 18:02:48 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Oct 14 17:28:38 2025. Lol. I won't. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 14 21:46:25 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Oct 14 18:02:48 2025. You can't help yourself, lol. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Oct 14 21:48:19 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Oct 14 18:02:48 2025. NAH |
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Posted by subfan on Wed Oct 15 06:18:59 2025, in response to Horrible agreement, posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Oct 13 09:12:47 2025. This is not an issue of "foreign aid" - it's a matter of being able to trade with the world or being a pariah state. Israel does not have the ability to manufacture all of its weapons itself, and even with respect to those it does manufacture, in needs to import raw materials. A result of this is that it has to take world opinion - or at least the views of the US - into account when making decisions on deals like this.Most Israelis recognize this reality, and are therefore willing to accept this deal - it's the best they were likely to get. Will it hold long term? I have my doubts - but it does leave Israel still in control of about 50% of Gaza, with the Gazan population held away from the border with Israel. There's an old saying that "the perfect is the enemy of the good" - and that has to be taken into account here. Yes, the release of vicious murderers as part of the deal is awful - it makes me physically sick to thing about that, specifically as I personally know family members of victims of some of those being released - but on the whole, there is enough positive in the deal to make it worthwhile. Note that I speak as an Israeli with multiple children in combat roles in the IDF. I'm pretty sure my views are representative of the views of the majority of Israelis. subfan |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Oct 15 11:41:11 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by subfan on Wed Oct 15 06:18:59 2025. Thank you for your response. I have no issues with the U.S. and U.S. companies trading and doing business with Israel, but I don't like military aid going to Israel. Foreign aid always comes with conditions.Thank you and your children for their services in the IDF. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 15 12:18:54 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by subfan on Wed Oct 15 06:18:59 2025. it's a matter of being able to trade with the world or being a pariah stateNonsense. It actually depends more on US strength or weakness. Will it hold long term? I have my doubts It didn't even hold one day. Hamas is already violating it. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 15 12:46:41 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by subfan on Wed Oct 15 06:18:59 2025. but it does leave Israel still in control of about 50% of Gaza, with the Gazan population held away from the border with Israel.Buffer zones actually tend to work, if combined with sufficient vigilance on the part of the entity that is at risk of being attacked. The Korean DMZ has kept North Korea from engaging in various kinds of mischief for 70+ years now. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Oct 15 16:29:11 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 15 12:46:41 2025. Notable Exceptions were the DMZ in SouthEast Asia and the Berlin wall. The buffer zone in Berlin was the razor ribbon fencing atop the wall and hungry German Shepards patrolling a dry moat. Lest we forget the armed guards with orders to shoot on sight anyone who would try to make a break or freedom. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Oct 15 17:24:47 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Oct 15 16:29:11 2025. Actually, the Berlin Wall was very effective as a buffer from an East German point of view. It kept the west from easily sneaking in agents to engage in various kinds of activities that the East Germans didn't want to have. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Oct 15 19:10:32 2025, in response to Horrible agreement, posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Oct 13 09:12:47 2025. I also think it's a horrible agreement, but only because there shouldn't be ANY agreement. (and deporting the population is ridiculous) From the start it should have been nothing less than unconditional surrender, just like WW2. When I think of Trump's plan, I immediately think of Neville Chamberlain's agreement in Munich in 1938. "Peace in Our Time". And we all know how that turned out. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 15 22:44:51 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Oct 15 19:10:32 2025. But the surviving hostages are free. The only problem that I see is that Israel will wait too long before resuming hostilities. This total war should have been fought the minute the first rocket fell on Sderot.Israel was also insufficiently brutal in this war. Since the rest of the world already accused Israel of war crimes they didn’t commit, there was no reason for them to be as humane as they are actually were. I’m not saying they should have committed actual war crimes, but they didn’t have to do anything “humanitarian.” Finally, UNRWA needs to be immediately dissolved and its executives treated as terrorists. |
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Posted by subfan on Thu Oct 16 06:51:05 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed Oct 15 11:41:11 2025. Other than potential emergency situations, Israel does not really need foreign aid - it's fully able to find its own armaments. The aid provided to Israel, though, is also a benefit to US arms manufacturers, as there are requirements that the vast majority of funds be spent in the US. There's also the benefit that the US gets real-world feedback on the performance of weapons systems that are sent to Israel, since Israel tends to use it's weaponry much more frequently and intensely than the US.That's not to say that Israel does not benefit, or even benefit more than the US,from the aid provided - but it's not purely a one-way street. subfan |
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Posted by subfan on Thu Oct 16 06:52:03 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 15 12:18:54 2025. You are entitled to your views. That does not make them correct.subfan |
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Posted by subfan on Thu Oct 16 06:53:37 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by AlM on Wed Oct 15 12:46:41 2025. The question, tough, is when the world will start demanding that Israel give up this buffer zone.subfan |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 16 12:58:06 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by subfan on Thu Oct 16 06:52:03 2025. They are not my "views"; they are the news. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 16 14:49:19 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by subfan on Thu Oct 16 06:53:37 2025. That doesn't strike me as a big worry. Those demands will have far less credibility than demands, over the last two years, that Gaza children stop dying. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Oct 16 15:44:00 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 16 14:49:19 2025. That doesn't strike me as a big worryThose who ignore [or forget] history are bound to repeat it. The 1967 war started because the buffer patrolled by the UN forces in Sinai were withdrawn at Egypt's request. That buffer was created as a result of the 1956 Sinai War. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 16 17:33:03 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Oct 16 15:44:00 2025. That means the UN were in cahoots with Egyptian terrorists back then. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 16 17:55:33 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Oct 16 15:44:00 2025. Presumably this buffer will be patrolled by Israel, and they are unlikely to withdraw, given what happened 2 years ago after they stopped paying close attention to Gaza. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Oct 16 18:22:29 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 16 17:55:33 2025. Presumably this buffer will be patrolled by Israel, and they are unlikely to withdraw, given what happened 2 years ago after they stopped paying close attention to Gaza.You mean like the 1973 Yom Kippur War, when the entire Sinai Peninsula was the buffer? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 16 18:42:01 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Oct 16 18:22:29 2025. Yeah sure, like that.Egypt had far, far greater resources in 1973 than Hamas had in 2023. Egypt's incursion into the Sinai didn't get anywhere near Israel. So I would say that the buffer zone in 1973 was very successful at defending Israel against a huge array of forces. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Oct 16 19:17:32 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 16 18:42:01 2025. It’s funny how perceptions change. In 1973 Arabs had a reputation as militarily inept cowards who couldn’t fight their way out of a paper bag. For the last 24 years, however, they’re the world’s deadliest and highly skilled fighting force. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 16 19:30:44 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Oct 16 19:17:32 2025. For the last 24 years, however, they’re the world’s deadliest and highly skilled fighting force.Huh? Says who? They have the potential to be deadly if they manage by luck to get a powerful explosive device into a densely populated area. That's more a matter of persistence, and negligence by civil authorities, than being highly skilled. Navy Seals (who are skilled) are expected to succeed in most of their missions. Islamic terrorists can be effective if they only succeed in one big mission every decade or two. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 16 20:23:01 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Oct 16 19:17:32 2025. Nonsense. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Oct 16 20:42:14 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 16 19:30:44 2025. Fear of Arabs is why we have the Department of Homeland Security, the TSA, the USA Patriot Act, and countless reductions in our quality of life. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Oct 16 20:50:28 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Oct 16 20:42:14 2025. Fear of Islamic terrorists, not Arabs.Because they only have to succeed once in a while to be effective, they can be feared without being viewed as highly skilled. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Oct 16 22:43:23 2025, in response to Re: Horrible agreement, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 16 20:50:28 2025. Truth! |
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