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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 16:09:09 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 14:47:41 2025.

Why wouldn't Jewish people be talking about a shocking and traumatic experience that impacts our communities at large?

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 16:37:41 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 16:08:06 2025.

Seems on here its largely from the left:
Jayzeebmt
Bingbong
Selkirk
Edwards
Edwards
Edwards

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 16:40:57 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 16:09:09 2025.

It didnt dawn on me that your circle of friends consisted of only uber-liberal Jews.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 16:41:31 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 15:30:17 2025.

Exactly

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 16:43:36 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 16:40:57 2025.

How on earth did you come to that conclusion? You clearly don't know my circle of friends.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 16:48:03 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 16:43:36 2025.

You responded to your issue of your circle of friends discussing last night's shooting with "Why wouldn't Jewish people be talking about a shocking and traumatic experience that impacts our communities at large?"
Any other stupid questions?

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 22 17:04:53 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 15:58:31 2025.

No I didn't care for your politics back then because around 2002 when I retired from teaching our faculty used to argue with fervor and sometimes anger at different opinions and then walk out of the faculty dining room or teacher's lounge smiling and in arm-in-arm. That changed around 2015 when Donald Trump walked down the escalator and all hell broke loose, most of the turmoil from the Democrats who hated the Trumper from the get go. Sorry I didn't remember your name and not sure you gave it but since we all got along on those two trips I made I figure you and I hit it off. If you're still talking to me let me know who you are and we can keep it civil and friendly.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 17:10:15 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 16:04:54 2025.

Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah Miligrim

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 17:10:59 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 16:37:41 2025.

lol iawtlp

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 17:11:18 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 16:08:06 2025.

Most, not all.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 22 17:27:50 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 15:29:26 2025.

Both the far left and the far right are antisemites. The left are worse though.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 17:53:27 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 16:48:03 2025.

I know plenty of people who I would not describe as left wing who reacted in the way I described.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 22 17:53:33 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu May 22 11:15:16 2025.

But he pled guilty, so he didn’t even bother to mount a time-consuming defense.

McVeigh was executed only 6 years after the Oklahoma City bombing, because he didn’t put up much of a fight after his conviction, and because the government was actually motivated to go through with the execution.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu May 22 18:21:51 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 22 17:27:50 2025.

Correct

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 22 22:19:42 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu May 22 18:21:51 2025.

Agree

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 22 23:53:59 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu May 22 18:21:51 2025.

No. The "far right" are leftists; the left made that term up (starting with Stalin) to falsely identify the actual right with fascist and national-socialist antisemites who are just as antisemitic as the rest of the left.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 00:04:58 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu May 22 14:46:07 2025.

Good grief. The phrase "right-wing cesspool" is an oxymoron, but it seems you're too saturated in godless left-wing propaganda to even know what the proper meaning of "right wing" is. Youve certainly been wallowing in a lot of left-wing cesspools long enough that all you do is come out with blanket attacks for no cause whatsoever.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 00:30:03 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 15:29:26 2025.

Absolutely correct. Not a single "right wing" person cheering on the terrorists.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 23 01:21:19 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Thu May 22 17:11:18 2025.

I frankly don't care if anti-Semitism is coming from the left or the right. Regardless of origin, it does me no good, so I call it out from both sides.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 23 01:22:19 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu May 22 16:37:41 2025.

That is true, but Christian Zionism is popular among some folks here and is often anti-Semitic as well.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 23 01:28:35 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 00:04:58 2025.

The policies and politicians you advocate for and support don't make the United States, Israel, or the world a better place for my children than it is for me. In fact, the rise of Trumpism 2.0 (and/or Ologism) has me starting the process of obtaining GERMAN citizenship for me and my kids, because after October 7th, the right of return to Israel doesn't make me feel safe enough should shit hit the fan (as a reminder, I've never claimed Israeli citizenship despite being eligible for it). Given my family's history in Europe in the 1920s and 1930s, one needs all the backup options one can get. And I know lots of people who are doing the same.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 23 01:40:21 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 22 17:04:53 2025.

Oren of orenstransitpage.com

I wouldn't mind if there was an actual choice to be made when voting. However, the Republican Party under Trump (and others before him) doesn't represent anything that I'd consider to be "conservative" or aligning with the values that movement claims to profess. The GOP/MAGA platform currently seems to value cruelty and enriching Donald Trump above all else, with a secondary priority of gutting the government while the richest Americans pay far less than their fair share. The Democrats are far from perfect, but I can't even give a moment's thought to voting for a Republican right now. And don't tell me that I'm "soft" on crime, whatever that means. I believe people should follow the rules of a community, and if there is an issue with those rules, use the existing systems to change them. I don't buy arguments that people who enter the country illegally have committed no crime, they may have committed no crime since entering the country but entering illegally is still illegal. (We also need comprehensive immigration reform so that people who want to come to the United States can do so legally and without jumping through nearly as many hoops.) I don't support the legalization of marijuana and the like. Talk to me long enough and you might discover other issues where I'm not as "liberal" as some here would like to think I am. But if you want my honest opinion, the current Congress and presidential administration are causing irreparable harm to the United States and the rest of the world, and at the end of the day, very few people are going to be better off as a result of anything the Republican Party is currently doing.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 04:10:22 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 23 01:28:35 2025.

The policies and politicians you advocate for and support don't make the United States, Israel, or the world a better place for my children than it is for me

?? You sure make a lot of assumptions and assertions. What policies do I advocate for? What politicians do I particularly stand up for? (and I can recall maybe a sum total of one, since I actually talk against ones I oppose and for valid reasons, mind you).

And since you are also begging the question, what about left-wing policies do you think will make the world a better place for any stratum of humanity?? since they advocate for abolition of the family, private property, (real) religion and national borders?

Now I don't want to throw too much at you all at once, so read it slowly, please. And for the record, I am a big supporter of the US Constitution; certain things about Israel's constitution (not necessarily by comparison) do need to be improved (such as: I support the changes Netanyahu tried to make to the judiciary, only for one example) and a more permanent constitution of law.

In fact, the rise of Trumpism 2.0 (and/or Ologism) has me starting the process of obtaining GERMAN citizenship for me and my kids

You throw about terms like "Trumpism" so casually and do not even put in any effort to define them. I recall no such "ism" at any time in history, not even since 2015 which is now a decade ago. I certainly promulgate no ideology under my own Subchat handle.

What makes you think Germany is your friend and the USA the enemy? They have been one of the biggest material supporters of terrorism against Israel on the continent of Europe even since Israel's foundation. Missed the headlines where Jews in Germany have had to conceal outward signs of Jewishness for fear of being attacked? You seem to be making a decision based on your emotions, and thus undefined emotions.

And why have you never claimed Israeli citizenship? Some skeletons in the closet?

I don't expect any logical answers from you, but I still hope you somehow might calm your wild emotions to make an attempt.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri May 23 09:22:01 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 23 01:21:19 2025.

Not all, not all, not all, not all bus most anti-Semitism comes from the left. And if you consider yourself a self respecting Jew, you should.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri May 23 09:23:06 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 23 01:21:19 2025.

Not all, not all, not all, not all bus most anti-Semitism comes from the left. And if you consider yourself a self respecting Jew, you should care.




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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri May 23 09:24:01 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 23 01:22:19 2025.

Christian Zionism is anti Semitic?


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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri May 23 09:27:28 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 23 01:28:35 2025.

You want to be a german citizen? You can't be serious?

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More Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri May 23 09:30:24 2025, in response to Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed May 21 14:02:44 2025.

May 22, 2025 Oscar Franklin Smith was executed in Tennessee for the 1989 murder of his wife and her 2 teenage sons. 36 years on death row.

May 18, 2025 Brandy Bain Jennings died of cancer on death row for three murders at a naples Cracker Barrel in 1995. 30 years on death row.

Stay tuned for tales of delayed justice!

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 23 10:16:09 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri May 23 09:27:28 2025.

I want options, and I'll take what I can get. Hopefully, I'll never need to actually exercise them.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 23 10:32:21 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 04:10:22 2025.

and I can recall maybe a sum total of one, since I actually talk against ones I oppose and for valid reasons, mind you

This is the problem with the right wing/Republicans/whatever label you want me to put here so you can try wiggling out of this. You aren't FOR anything, only AGAINST things. Presumably, you are for the inverse of what you are against. You leave us with no other reasonable assumptions to make in the absence of additional information.

And since you are also begging the question, what about left-wing policies do you think will make the world a better place for any stratum of humanity?? since they advocate for abolition of the family, private property, (real) religion and national borders?

I'm not aware of any serious American politicians from the left advocating for what you claim they are, especially with regards to the supposed abolition of private property and national borders. Meanwhile, the GOP wants to make healthcare expensive and hard to access, hardly a policy that supports families. The "real religion" that the GOP advocates for is Christianity, and it doesn't care about imposing laws in the interest of "religious freedom" that go against other faiths. For example, outright abortion bans are not compatible with the Jewish views on abortion. Why is one religious interpretation about when life begins superior to any other?

I certainly promulgate no ideology under my own Subchat handle.

Perhaps not explicitly, but implicitly you do.

What makes you think Germany is your friend and the USA the enemy? They have been one of the biggest material supporters of terrorism against Israel on the continent of Europe even since Israel's foundation. Missed the headlines where Jews in Germany have had to conceal outward signs of Jewishness for fear of being attacked? You seem to be making a decision based on your emotions, and thus undefined emotions.

I want options for when shit hits the fan, for those of us who aren't WASPs and/or promoting an American brand of fascism such as yourself there is no such thing as too many. Exactly where are Jews supposed to go where they won't face risks to their lives just for being Jewish? Antarctica?

And why have you never claimed Israeli citizenship? Some skeletons in the closet?

It isn't in my financial interest to do so due to a unique but not entirely unheard of combination of circumstances.

I don't expect any logical answers from you, but I still hope you somehow might calm your wild emotions to make an attempt.

Well when I have to respond to your word salad as you attempt to evade being associated with positions that you almost certainly know are reprehensible...

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Fri May 23 10:44:30 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 23 10:16:09 2025.

No self respecting would visit Germany, let alone live there.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 11:12:24 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri May 23 09:24:01 2025.

That's a leftist trope. And he's pushed that lie for decades now.

He'll be worried about the "Christian Zionist" who actually wants to save his life while the leftist screaming "Free, Free 'Palestine'" is the one that comes at him with murderous fury.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 23 11:13:14 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri May 23 09:23:06 2025.

Yes, all.

Anyone who claims to be "right" while being an antisemite is really a leftist. I've seen this over and over.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri May 23 11:26:15 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 22 15:04:46 2025.

I saw a few clippings in school of a case once.
Guy was working on his car in brooklyn. Got into a fight with someone for looking at his girl. Resulted in one death.
Before the year was out the death penalty was carried out.

These weren't even the worst of the worst gangbangers they would do away with, and it was shockingly quick.

Once you go through the dates and one case, you understand the old films where the person is afraid of the chair. It didn't even take that much to get in there.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 23 11:37:32 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Chicagomotorman on Fri May 23 10:44:30 2025.

As an EU citizen, he’d be able to live in any other EU country.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 23 11:47:54 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri May 23 09:23:06 2025.

Right wing antisemitism is condemned by all, but left-wing antisemitism is tolerated with euphemisms like “anti-Zionism” or “Free Palestine.”

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Fri May 23 12:12:00 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 23 11:37:32 2025.

Is he an EU citizen?

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 23 13:23:29 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Chicagomotorman on Fri May 23 12:12:00 2025.

If he became a German citizen, he would be.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri May 23 13:46:02 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 23 13:23:29 2025.

No self respecting would visit Germany, let alone live there.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 23 13:50:32 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri May 23 13:46:02 2025.

Again, if he became a German citizen, he wouldn’t have to live there, he could live in the rest of the EU.

I disagree with you about Germany.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri May 23 14:04:35 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 23 13:50:32 2025.

OK fine with your first sentence, and why the second sentence? I'll give you 6 million reasons why no self respecting Jew should never visit Germany, let alone live there.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri May 23 14:06:52 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Chicagomotorman on Fri May 23 10:44:30 2025.

In 1972 my wife and I were working ourvway across Europe. We got to Amsterdam and planned to go to Brussels and then Munich. We flew home from Amsterdam because of what happened at the Olympics. Never the less, I'd like to think that im a self respecting Jew despite my plans to visit the Olympics.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Fri May 23 14:07:02 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 23 01:40:21 2025.

You laid it out pretty well and I can see that you try to take issues as they come up. I just happen to feel differently about them but at least we can talk it out. Where we disagree thoroughly is when you think our country will be worse off when Trump's term ends in early 2029. I happen to believe strongly that we are going to see a surge of prosperity that most Americans here legally can get behind and support.

We had four years of rot from an administration that couldn't even tie their shoes properly, a President who was a walking comatose relic who your party tried to prop up with lies, lies and more lies. Now it is our turn to try and revive a country that badly needs reviving. We will have to wait until 2029 to see how it all ends up but I will take bets that my side will see that we are much better off than we were on Inauguration day this year. Any way, fill me in on those subway tours we were on. I miss them and wonder if they still have them.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by mtk52983 on Fri May 23 15:13:42 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri May 23 14:04:35 2025.

I have family in Germany. In the late 70’s/early 80’s West Germany was offering significant sums as well as job training, housing, and other benefits to Jews who wanted to leave Communist Soviet Union. Others remained in the Soviet Union and regretted it. Stalin had forced that wing of the family East so when they miraculously survived Stalin they ended up surviving the Holocaust because Hitler never made it that far.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri May 23 15:55:49 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by mtk52983 on Fri May 23 15:13:42 2025.

OK

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 23 22:02:16 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri May 23 11:26:15 2025.

Correct

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 26 00:15:48 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri May 23 13:46:02 2025.

I've been to Germany twice, including to visit family origin points, and changed planes there more times than I can count. An award is given out in my great-grandfather's memory annually in Stuttgart, and there is also a bridge named after him (and a shopping center that is named after the bridge). I'd also like to go to Berlin sometime to visit his stolperstein.

I think you miss the point about why someone would want as many citizenships as they can have.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 26 00:18:13 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Fri May 23 14:07:02 2025.

I'd take a comatose Joe Biden over Donald Trump any day. IIRC you are a retired US history teacher, is a modern day Gilded Age really going to "make American great again?"

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 26 00:19:07 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 23 10:32:21 2025.

The silence is deafening. Funny how this happens every time someone exposes you for what you really are.

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Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 26 05:03:20 2025, in response to Re: Justice Delayed is Still Justice, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 22 22:19:42 2025.

Not correct.

The "far right" are leftists; the left made that term up (starting with Stalin) to falsely identify the actual right with fascist and national-socialist antisemites who are just as antisemitic as the rest of the left.

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