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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 3 15:26:14 2025, in response to Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Train Dude on Sat May 3 14:54:23 2025. Just when you think you've heard everything... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 3 17:08:34 2025, in response to Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Train Dude on Sat May 3 14:54:23 2025. Not unsourced. Posted by Charlie Kirk on X; he links to a New York Post article. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 3 23:37:15 2025, in response to Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Train Dude on Sat May 3 14:54:23 2025. Necrophilia is called by some a victimless crime. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun May 4 00:43:37 2025, in response to Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Train Dude on Sat May 3 14:54:23 2025. I posted about this guy on the appropriate board (subchat), but he was a secondary character buried within my article. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun May 4 07:14:49 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Easy on Sat May 3 23:37:15 2025. I'm having a difficult time composing an appropriate response to your post. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun May 4 07:20:56 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun May 4 00:43:37 2025. I disagree with your characterization of your post being on the "appropriate board". After all, the issue was the crime and the illegal invader who committed it and not where the crime occurred. The story would still be the same if it were committed in the produce aisle of a Stop & Shop. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun May 4 07:20:58 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun May 4 00:43:37 2025. I disagree with your characterization of your post being on the "appropriate board". After all, the issue was the crime and the illegal invader who committed it and not where the crime occurred. The story would still be the same if it were committed in the produce aisle of a Stop & Shop. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun May 4 09:13:09 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun May 4 07:20:58 2025. It's a subway story. Maybe if this took place in Dallas or Atlanta, it would be an OT Board, but in NYC which has a national reputation now, and where the only subway stories, and youtube videos, etc etc is all about how "crazy" it is down there. Every media and vlogger and government talks solely about one thing on that system. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 4 13:41:52 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Easy on Sat May 3 23:37:15 2025. Oh? Which "some" do you refer to? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun May 4 13:59:26 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 4 13:41:52 2025. SJP and all of the pro-terror campus groups probably |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Mon May 5 12:30:41 2025, in response to Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Train Dude on Sat May 3 14:54:23 2025. Well in my last post I heaped scorn on the Mafia and now I can turn to the liberals and socialists who seem to care more for the illegal criminals who have no business being in our country one second longer than it does to put them in an open boat and sail them on their journey.I wonder whose next to spoil my day. |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Mon May 5 12:33:06 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 4 13:41:52 2025. Quit while you just a tad behind before you make a complete ass out of yourself. That post of yours gave me a rub the wrong way. You have room for improvement. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 5 17:30:01 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Mon May 5 12:33:06 2025. What post? The only other post I made on this thread was pointing out that the OP's content came from Charlie Kirk on X.Are you defending necrophilia now?!? Lots of your posts rub me the wrong way too, particularly when you rise to defend known leftists with defenses not based in reality. But am I going to suddenly declare war on you? Nope. |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Mon May 5 17:42:38 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 5 17:30:01 2025. What leftists have I defended? That's hogwash to the core. I have no use for left wingers PERIOD!!!! Now who are those lefties you accuse me of defending? And, no, I do not want a war with my fellow conservatives. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 5 18:24:07 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Mon May 5 17:42:38 2025. You seem to have a short memory. You recently defended FDR, JFK, Truman, and in the past it was Kasich and other RINOs. I'm not going to get obsessively specific as if I named myself after a certain Grateful Dead album, but don't get defensive now as if you are suddenly having guilt feelings, because you are not being honest about your stances. |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Tue May 6 15:39:16 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 5 18:24:07 2025. Fact is I used to be a Democrat before that party left me.......think Ronald Reagan and millions of others as that party went bonkers and in time completely over the cliff. FDR was a great President who came into power during the greatest economic upheaval in our history and was immensely successful for helping turn the GD around and then leading his country through World War II before passing on just with victory in sight.I happen to think that Social Security was one of the greatest achievements in our history, giving economic security to millions who had no thing of the sort before. And, yes, I am a union man as well. d Your p roblem is trying to put me in a box as I should think like all your types should. I believe in local government and a strong defense, independence in energy and death to illegal immigration and a toughening of our laws to protect our citizens from mayhem from the low lifers that pretty much rule the Democrat Party. But you can't put me in a box and say I'm not conservative on all things because I happen to believe in SS, union membership and Civil Rights. Most Americans believe in those too. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue May 6 15:46:43 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Tue May 6 15:39:16 2025. "I happen to think that Social Security was one of the greatest achievements in our history, giving economic security to..."I must stop you and lol you right there if you think social security is giving economic security to that many people. I'd believe you if you thought it at least maybe pays for their dog and cat food that old people have to eat. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 6 15:57:56 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Tue May 6 15:39:16 2025. So you believe in things that contradict each other. That makes you the opposite of a conservative, sorry. You absolutely need a better understanding of the founding principles of this country.Social "security" creates dependence on government. There was no need for it before it was instituted; ever head of private pensions or savings?—of course not, because SS wiped them out. Never mind the lies concerning how SS is funded at any time in history. There is union membership and then there is union leadership. In almost all cases, union leadership is solidly left-wing and has been so literally for centuries. Did you know the PRR went for decades without unionizing (the employees were actually afraid of the unions and their employers were treating them fairly anyway), and was only unionized because the federal government when under left-wing leadership forced it on them? So are you going to accuse me of thinking within a box now? Your thinking is more boxed-in than mine. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 6 15:57:57 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Tue May 6 15:39:16 2025. So you believe in things that contradict each other. That makes you the opposite of a conservative, sorry. You absolutely need a better understanding of the founding principles of this country.Social "security" creates dependence on government. There was no need for it before it was instituted; ever head of private pensions or savings?—of course not, because SS wiped them out. Never mind the lies concerning how SS is funded at any time in history. There is union membership and then there is union leadership. In almost all cases, union leadership is solidly left-wing and has been so literally for centuries. Did you know the PRR went for decades without unionizing (the employees were actually afraid of the unions and their employers were treating them fairly anyway), and was only unionized because the federal government when under left-wing leadership forced it on them? So are you going to accuse me of thinking within a box now? Your thinking is more boxed-in than mine. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 6 15:58:43 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue May 6 15:46:43 2025. Yep. SS is not about "economic security" in any way, shape or form. You caught him using left-wing talking points. |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Tue May 6 15:59:48 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue May 6 15:46:43 2025. You have a better idea of how to help those who really need help, well then, I'm all ears. No, I don't mean those who try to sponge off the government and people in general because they are shiftless and too lazy to work and blame others for their problems. Social Security was the first such step to help give some security to people in retirement and in need of support. For many though, it is not enough and today we encourage people to try and save for the future and improve their economic well being through education and hard work. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 6 16:57:51 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 6 15:58:43 2025. SS was never meant for "economic security", it was meant (on paper) to supplement an individuals income in addition to whatever income/savings/investments that someone had. However many did not have any of the above and relied on SS to this day basically for survival.I guess the same applies to Railroad Retirement. I put in 38 years with the railroad(s) and in the beginning of each month I get a healthy direct deposit thanks to all my contributions. That makes my living conditions more comfortable. And if DJT eliminates income taxes on that in addition to dropping $5K in my lap from spending cuts, I might go out and buy a Maga Hat! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 6 21:54:56 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 6 16:57:51 2025. I know what you mean by "on paper". Socialistic government programs are always sold on lies. Just remember that. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed May 7 00:28:13 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Tue May 6 15:39:16 2025. We switched about the same time. I voted for Carter and quickly learned that I was no longer a democRAT. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed May 7 00:33:15 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 6 16:57:51 2025. Fact is when social security was enacted, the retirement age was set at 65 but life expectancy for men was 62. Mist were never meant to collect on it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 7 01:38:37 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed May 7 00:33:15 2025. Yep. Another slush fund for Democrats. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed May 7 08:40:34 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 6 16:57:51 2025. "SS was never meant for "economic security", "I may be mixing up some fact. I thought it was meant for security in the terms of insurance, so that injured and retirees were not left homeless, hungry etc. Isn't the suppliment a new thing? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed May 7 08:43:11 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Tue May 6 15:59:48 2025. It seems to only work if you have a house paid for, and don't need to be put in a nursing home, and an illegal ddn't steal your # (you get cut off and it takes the gov't years pre-DOGE to fix ti).Otherwise, you could maybe get $16 dollars a month in food stamps to help you make ends meet in most states. I have lots to say about lots of things. Didn't Australia convert theirs to an actual fund and the population was well off. Are they still? Shouldn't the same government that brags about its markets and economy, where the politicians inside trade and make millions off of doing nothing, also maybe put it's money where it's mouth is and do the same for us via the SS fund? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 7 09:25:36 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed May 7 08:40:34 2025. SS and other govt entitlements would keep them from going hungry or homeless...but not much else. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed May 7 10:20:17 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 7 09:25:36 2025. "would keep them from going hungry or homeless...but not much else."Would, but ain't in too many cases today |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 7 12:59:15 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed May 7 08:43:11 2025. Didn't Australia convert theirs to an actual fund and the population was well off. Are they still?No and no. |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Wed May 7 17:42:33 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 7 09:25:36 2025. That in itself makes the SS program worthy on that alone. Fact is, during the GD many people, men, women and children went hungry and many wound up homeless. What do those fellow Conservative friends of mine have to offer that could have alleviated the suffering of millions without SS, food stamps and FDR's programs to get the country off he floor? |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Wed May 7 17:49:44 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 7 12:59:15 2025. Well the, just what the hell would you do to alleviate economic pain for those who suffer through no fault of their own.......or do you take the old Goldwaterism that they deserve what they got. For a time in the latter part of the last century, my party was deaf to any such thought of helping those who really needed it.......and it cost them in elections. Yes, Reagan was accused of being one of those but his policies brough economic prosperity to the country, and if netted him the votes of Italian, Irish, Polish, Croation, Greeks and other groups who usually voted pretty much for Democrats. These people today make up a large group of Republican voters who were turned off by those sharp tongued demagogues who blanched with any thought of doing anything but adhering to the old bromide of individualism that was the cause of all our heartaches in the 30's. |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Wed May 7 17:56:17 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 6 15:57:56 2025. In other words, if they can't get a job or a raise or rent an apartment it is their fault and to hell with them. This is not what our party was founded on. Just how much do you really know of American History and the Republican Party that championed, yes, individualism, but progress and help in educating new generations (The Morill Land Grand Act), the building of the railroads to enable Americans to migrate where they could get free land if they worked it for ten years. The emancipation of over five million former slaves who would have an opportunity to serve in the Army, go to land grant schools, buy land to raise their families. The success was uneven to be sure but it was progress. It was every man for himselfAnd thanks to the greatest President in our history this came about as we were saving our country from those "conservatives" who felt they deserved to gain wealth on the backs of their subjects. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed May 7 18:01:02 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Wed May 7 17:42:33 2025. You continously change the question and problem.The country is saying the system isn't working and most are not benefitting from the poorly run ponzi scheme. You are going on about how conservatives are going to cut the widows $16 dollar a month food stamp budget with no replacement at all. Have you been to a grocery store lately? 16 bucks? Really? You think I'm making up random numbers and not true stories? |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Wed May 7 18:03:27 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed May 7 00:28:13 2025. Apparently our friend Olag and a couple of others who believe that there is a purity aspect to being his kind of Republican. And is bears no resemblance to what our now beloved party is trying to create in our nation. We saw in the last election how labor moved deeply into GOP ranks and telling their labor bosses to go to hell. We gained thousands upon thousands of African-American males to join us. We are still a very Conservative Party but one with understanding that all Americans have a right to choose their destiny and our party is it. We are no longer hostage to the Goldwater extremists. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 02:42:04 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Wed May 7 17:56:17 2025. In other words, if they can't get a job or a raise or rent an apartment it is their fault and to hell with themWow. Unashamedly using leftist talking points (particularly nonsequiturs, strawmen and red herrings), aren't you? BS like that has been the excuse that leftist politicians have been using to expand government dependence for decades. Now as for the multifarious homeless that appear on the streets under actual leftist governance, what of them?—to hell with them, is that the case? If you're claiming that such was the case before the appearance of government-dependence programs, then I'm afraid I'll have to call you a liar. There were multifarious private charities who helped people get jobs and accommodation in existence—what the left-wing politicians hated about them was that they were faith-based. Nowadays, whatever charities still exist are themselves dependent on government largesse—and many of them are complicit in the illegal alien trade now. This is not what our party was founded on The GOP was not founded upon increasing dependence on government. That's why it set the slaves free. (Take note of that word.) It was also against substituting the government for the family. And why are you citing the Morrill Land Grant Act as some kind of socialist program? That was not what it was intended to be at all. Look at what the colleges and universities that were founded under them have become—bastions of antisemitism and anti-Americanism, seething with godless communism. Oh, and railroads? You're claiming that they were government-built now?? It may have been that due to instability and war, the federal government had to secure the land to build them—but for centuries they were a prime example of the success of private investment. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 02:50:44 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Wed May 7 17:49:44 2025. Well the, just what the hell would you do to alleviate economic pain for those who suffer through no fault of their ownThat's not what SS is. Stop moving the goalposts. Are you going to discuss honestly or are you going to repeat more leftist nonsequiturs?? |
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Posted by #4SeaBeachFred on Thu May 8 22:27:13 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed May 7 18:01:02 2025. I don't recall ever saying that conservatives are going to cut the widow's $16 dollar a month food stamp budget. Please stop trying to put words in my mouth. I did say that I think Social Security was a good program when it was created because it gave workers a retirement check when they left the workplace at 65. And those who want to privatize it are off their rockers for the simple reason is when a economic downturn take off the those who would run that organization has only one concern.....TRHE BOTTOM LINE. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri May 9 12:32:11 2025, in response to Re: Another Victory For The Biden Team, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 02:42:04 2025. "... the federal government had to secure the land to build them—but for centuries they were a prime example of the success of private investment."Two points here, yes the federal govt had to secure the land to build them. Who did they secure the land from?? Native Americans maybe?? But that debate is for another thread #2...They were indeed successful until progress interfered. Progress like the popularity and practicality of air travel and the "Eisenhauer" interstate system, financed by Uncle Sam (aka taxpayer) that put millions of cars and trucks on the road that werent there before, taking their freight and passengers with it. In addition, the railroads had to pay taxes on their ROWs and strangled by ICC regs on freight rates. All this coupled with disastrous mergers that led to Conrail and Amtrak.The rest as they say is history |
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