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Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 24 15:12:26 2022 This absolutely horrific president finally admitted that the high gas prices are part of his horrific Democrat party's plan. Absolute worst president ever.https://www.newsweek.com/backlash-biden-says-high-gas-prices-are-part-incredible-transition-1709401 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 15:19:08 2022, in response to Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 24 15:12:26 2022. Good. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue May 24 15:22:06 2022, in response to Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 24 15:12:26 2022. I haven't read the article, but if carbon fuels are phased out there will almost certainly be painful periods. It will get worse when electric car owners aren't allowed to charge their cars due to scheduled power reductions due to heat waves and such.The pain is necessary if we really want change. People aren't going to stop commuting 50-100 miles per day if gasoline stays affordable. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue May 24 15:24:11 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 15:19:08 2022. Yes and no. I said in my previous post that it's necessary, but the people most impacted are the ones that can least afford it. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 24 15:25:08 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Easy on Tue May 24 15:22:06 2022. It will get worse when electric car owners aren't allowed to charge their cars due to scheduled power reductions due to heat waves and such.Heat waves won't be the problem because the sun is usually brightly shining then. The big problem will be the occasional long dreary gray windless periods in the winter. We will need utility scale batteries and more transmission capacity, since that won't happen nationwide. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue May 24 15:31:14 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Tue May 24 15:25:08 2022. Heat waves are when we have problems in California. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 15:41:36 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Easy on Tue May 24 15:24:11 2022. But he didn’t say that it was good, he said that we are in a transition that when it’s over would make organic fuels less necessary.Yeah, I changed fossil to organic. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 24 15:45:05 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Tue May 24 15:25:08 2022. Thats the problem right there, the infrastructure just isn't there yet for widespread electric car use.Then theres the price. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 16:32:49 2022, in response to Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 24 15:12:26 2022. He can't keep it to himself.Anyone still think he's a nice old guy? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 24 16:44:47 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 15:19:08 2022. Useless to discuss with you |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 16:48:41 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 24 16:44:47 2022. Exactly. I hardly know what gas costs. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 24 16:52:40 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 16:48:41 2022. And fuck those who can't afford an EV or home heating oil to heat their homes. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 24 16:54:27 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 15:41:36 2022. Bullshit. They still use fossil fuel to make your electricity. Your apartment is heated by fossil fuel |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 17:02:27 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 24 16:52:40 2022. I never said that. I just pointed out that I don’t know what gas costs and am the wrong person to talk about the hardship of it with. That doesn’t mean I don’t care.Also, the equivalent of an EV is not home heating oil, it’s a heat pump. Most people can’t afford to install a complicated new heating system. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 17:04:03 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 24 16:54:27 2022. That’s true. Thanks to the stupidity of closing down Indian Point.Also, natural gas is better than oil. At least here in the USA where we have plenty of it. Fuck Cuomo for banning fracking in this state. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue May 24 17:04:50 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 16:48:41 2022. That's the disconnect. I don't drive electric, but the price of gas isn't something that I worry about either. If we're honest, we know that the switch to greener energy will necessarily be painful, just not painful for us. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 24 17:18:40 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 17:04:03 2022. And fuck his old man for closing Shoreham. It was up and running at 10% when Mario pulled the plug. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 24 17:33:34 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: It’s part of the transition we are in, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 16:32:49 2022. I've moved to feeling he's totally garbage at this point. It's horrific |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 18:15:13 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Easy on Tue May 24 17:04:50 2022. Right. Just because I don’t personally experience something doesn’t mean I don’t have empathy for people who do. But at the same time I can’t speak from personal experience. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 18:16:59 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 24 17:18:40 2022. IAWTP |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue May 24 19:18:29 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 15:19:08 2022. What do you mean good? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue May 24 19:38:46 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by chicagoMotorman on Tue May 24 19:18:29 2022. Spider Pig hopes it will make us less dependent upon internal combustible engines and build up infrastructure to support electric vehicles |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 24 20:26:10 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 24 17:18:40 2022. Both loyal democrats |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 20:27:42 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by mtk52983 on Tue May 24 19:38:46 2022. We already have infrastructure to support electric vehicles. What I hope for is that we just use fewer organic fuels in all forms, not just for cars. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue May 24 20:46:14 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 20:27:42 2022. Heat pumps have to get cheaper, which I expect they will.Just saw a webinar on a successful heat pump installation in a 9,000 square foot (10 unit) apartment building in Manhattan. Cost: $178,000, of which NYSERDA paid about half. A new gas boiler for that size building would be 30-50K. It's not truly apples to apples because much of the infrastructure for the new gas boiler (steam pipes, chimney) is already there. But that's usually the case. Definitely for new buildings heat pumps should already be competitive. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 20:50:14 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Tue May 24 20:46:14 2022. The thing about heat pumps is that they’re just reversible air conditions. I wouldn’t want to live in NYC without air conditioning, and it’s just wild that heat pumps are significantly more expensive. Of course, window units won’t cut it. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 24 21:23:30 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 20:27:42 2022. We do? 95% of all vehicles on the road are gasoline/diesel fueled. If all of them were suddenly electric cars, there'd be enough availability nationwide to support their charging and maintenance needs? I dont think so. Bottom line, were just not ready yet. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue May 24 21:53:53 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 20:27:42 2022. Do we have the infrastructure to support electric vehicles in the 5 boros of NYC where we primarily park them on the street?I don't think so! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 24 22:35:25 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 20:27:42 2022. Total bullshit. An apartment building with 250-200 families. Where do they all charge their cars? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 23:05:14 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 24 21:23:30 2022. 1. Electric cars need less maintenance that ICE. They don’t need oil changes, and the regular maintenance they do need, tires and brakes mainly, are identical to ICE.2. Practically every house in America has electricity necessary to support L2 charging and most parking lots in America are located near electricity. Basically, even before Tesla saved the electric car there was more electricity than gas. There is just massive FUD around EVs, promoted by the oil industry, and also by a lack of openness to new ideas. In the latter case, people still seem to think of electric cars as need charging stations that would work exactly like gas stations. It’s as if people still though of cars as horses. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 23:09:29 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue May 24 21:53:53 2022. An outlier. Everyone seems to love using edge cases and crying “but sometimes!” to prove that something doesn’t work.Anyway, this |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 23:10:42 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 24 22:35:25 2022. Do they all have parking spaces? Then their parking spaces.Is it in NYC? Then most of them don’t have cars in the first place. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 23:17:36 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue May 24 21:53:53 2022. The entire country is deficient on that, by at least a factor of three. And what will generate the electricity after all? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue May 24 23:43:17 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 24 16:52:40 2022. Home heating oil is the same as diesel. Nothing like an EV. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 23:52:48 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 23:10:42 2022. LOL! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 00:41:42 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 23:09:29 2022. But the issue is real |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 00:43:03 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 23:10:42 2022. Who do all the cars parked on city streets belong to then? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 25 07:35:00 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue May 24 23:43:17 2022. Home heating oil is the same as diesel fuel with the exception of how it is taxed during sale. At $6.00 per gallon, there are some not so well off folks who will have trouble paying to heat their home this winter. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 08:49:16 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 00:41:42 2022. Not really. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 08:49:49 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 00:43:03 2022. As I said, NYC is an outlier. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 25 09:13:57 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue May 24 21:53:53 2022. Do you have a gasoline supply at home?If you can't charge at home, you go to a high speed charging station, where a 300-mile fill-up takes about 15 minutes. Yes, that's more than the 7 minutes it takes at a gasoline station. If you drive the average 10,000 miles per year, it's an extra 4 or 5 hours a year. You save that time with lesser maintenance. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 10:30:22 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 09:13:57 2022. It actually takes like 20-25 minutes.I would argue that people who don’t have home or work charging shouldn’t get an electric car. But it seems that the counter arguments to electric cars are frequently “they’re not for everyone so they’re worse.” |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 25 10:44:38 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 24 23:05:14 2022. You speak of routine Maintenace. I speak of a mechanical breakdown.How many shops are qualified to handle an EV breakdown? Will Triple A have enough qualified techs at the ready to handle a situation like that ? I'll stick my neck out and say not that many yet. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 10:53:25 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 08:49:49 2022. Who do all the cars parked on the street in San Francisco belong to? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 25 10:53:47 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 10:30:22 2022. It actually takes like 20-25 minutes. 350 kilowatt high power charging station 3 mi/kwhr 300 miles Therefore: Need 100 kwhr 100 kwh/350 kw = .29 hrs = slightly under 18 minutes |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 25 10:59:47 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 25 10:44:38 2022. How many shops are qualified to handle an EV breakdown?The only real difference between the two types of cars is the motor. How often do automobile motors stop working, as compared to, say, refrigerator motors? A gasoline car motor can be unusable because of a radiator leak, a dead battery, a dead alternator, a dead fuel injection system, a dead starter, etc. An EV motor pretty much only dies when the batteries go dead. Of course, other things will make a car break down, like a flat tire, a broken tie rod, an accident, etc., etc. But those issues are the same whether it's an EV or not. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 11:02:57 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by AlM on Wed May 25 09:13:57 2022. It takes you 7 minutes to fill up gas at a gas station? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 11:03:50 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 25 10:30:22 2022. I figured the 15 minutes sounded to short. More of Als assertions that always should be verified |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 11:08:18 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 11:02:57 2022. More bile from all. The average gas fill up takes about 2 minuteshttps://www.api.org/oil-and-natural-gas/consumer-information/consumer-resources/staying-safe-pump#:~:text=It%20may%20be%20a%20temptation,be%20discharged%20at%20the%20nozzle. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 11:08:36 2022, in response to Re: Biden on High Gas Prices: it's part of the: transition we are in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 25 11:02:57 2022. More bile from Al. The average gas fill up takes about 2 minuteshttps://www.api.org/oil-and-natural-gas/consumer-information/consumer-resources/staying-safe-pump#:~:text=It%20may%20be%20a%20temptation,be%20discharged%20at%20the%20nozzle. |
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