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Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Mar 4 18:35:07 2021 'Looking like war zones' in echo of the 1980s |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 4 19:03:08 2021, in response to Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Dave on Thu Mar 4 18:35:07 2021. The following Chat Brats think graffiti is art, not vandalism.AlM JayZeeBMT clearaspect Wayne Fred G 12-9 dand bingbong Osmosis Joe V Dutch salaam Yes, graffiti is back. The elements of society, namely SJW's, see it as a non-violent crime and want to legalize it like marijuana. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Mar 4 19:18:37 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 4 19:03:08 2021. I AM NOT PRO GRAFFITINEXT ~!!!! |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Mar 4 19:31:21 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Mar 4 19:18:37 2021. Pay no attention to the defective EYE-talina |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 4 19:56:16 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Mar 4 19:31:21 2021. You are a 60+ year old virgin.Others here have not had sex in years. Have you seen Lance Wright IRT New Lots video? He covers that line well. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 4 20:03:22 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 4 19:56:16 2021. Try not to speculate on anyone else's private lives, #37. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Mar 4 20:43:40 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 4 19:03:08 2021. The SJW folks want to legalize it? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 4 21:03:43 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Mar 4 20:43:40 2021. They say it is art. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Mar 4 21:07:21 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 4 21:03:43 2021. It’s a sad state of affairs if that is true.They should offer their homes as a free canvas if they truly feel that way. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 4 21:11:30 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Mar 4 21:07:21 2021. I know a NYCT supervisor who always used to refer to it as "beautiful murals". She is the first person I heard it from.But back in the 80's it was already defended as art in the movie Beat Street. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Mar 5 07:40:26 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 4 20:03:22 2021. He's just projecting (albeit he is not 60+) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 5 09:52:32 2021, in response to Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Dave on Thu Mar 4 18:35:07 2021. Some people actually want to return NYC to the ‘80s, with the porn palaces and hookers in Times Square, the filthy subways - they say NYC had character back then, before it became “Disneyfied” - ie, a safe place to raise a family... |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 5 10:26:57 2021, in response to Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Dave on Thu Mar 4 18:35:07 2021. Some people actually want to return NYC to the ‘80s, with the porn palaces and hookers in Times Square, the filthy subways - they say NYC had character back then, before it became “Disneyfied” - ie, a safe place to raise a family... |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Mar 5 11:22:39 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 4 21:11:30 2021. Unreal. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 11:31:32 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 5 10:26:57 2021. I very much doubt that the people who complain that Times Square is "disneyfied" want a return of porn palaces, hookers, and filthy subways.But there could be some real nuts out there. Feel free to provide quotes if you actually see anything different. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 12:01:52 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 5 10:26:57 2021. That was Koch's mindset. "Character" wasn't the word used then. It was the "feel" or grittiness that was used to be thought of as the tourist magnet back then. When Guiliani came to town, Times Sq was soon relabeled "Disneyland East" |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Mar 5 12:50:28 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 5 09:52:32 2021. I'll take NYC in the 60's and 70's any day over the present |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Mar 5 12:51:54 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 5 10:26:57 2021. 0:34 |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Mar 5 13:13:37 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 5 09:52:32 2021. It's funny, Mitch...I use the same term to describe Times Square post 1980's - Disneyfied. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 5 13:16:24 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 12:01:52 2021. It’s better now. The old way is fun to read about but a nightmare to live through. People ignore the massive crime and the fact that tourists and consumers of the local businesses were frequent victims of that crime.Also, a lot of the business there was either killed by the internet, or was and is dangerous and illegal. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 13:35:28 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 5 13:16:24 2021. I agree. Back then I can see a Gomer Pile type tourist walking down 42nd St going "golllleyyyy" while getting fleeced by 3 card monte players & "come-ons from the whores on Seventh Ave" as Paul Simon noted.(from "The Boxer")As for the businesses' there, Its generally conceded that most of those adult "scumatoriums" were mafia controlled. When Guiliani took over, his reputation for being a crime fighter & and RICO act activist plus having a hard on for mafia types that gave Italians a bad name, that gave him more incentive to clean up that snake pit. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 5 13:43:49 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 5 10:26:57 2021. Never listen to anyone who says that bad, slovenly character is "character". |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Mar 5 13:54:34 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 5 13:16:24 2021. New York was never as bad as its reputation. I drove a medallion cab off and on throughout the 70's, railfanned the subways, walked the streets and never got mugged. A lot of the reputation was perpetrated be Johnny Carson's monologues. Movies like the Out of Towners didn't help. That doesn't mean you could walk through Central Park at midnight though. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 5 13:59:01 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Mar 5 13:54:34 2021. I didn’t think it was as bad as it was exaggerated, but crime was higher, so there were more places to avoid. Like I’m pretty sure it was just as safe to walk along Fifth Avenue during the day. Maybe even safer because if someone shot you on Fifth Avenue, back then the shooter would lose support. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 14:01:49 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 4 21:03:43 2021. Yeah...but use your own canvas! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 5 14:33:06 2021, in response to Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Dave on Thu Mar 4 18:35:07 2021. This is the New York the Democrats have been trying to make, and finally are successful. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 5 14:34:48 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 5 09:52:32 2021. Yes, the democrats want this back. All their policies strive for it |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 5 14:35:47 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 5 13:16:24 2021. Except that is exactly what the policies of Deblasio, Cuomo, and the democrats result in |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 5 14:45:39 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 5 09:52:32 2021. But the thing is, the pre-1990 NYC also had the large working-class and poor areas , which gave NYC it's character. Now, all those people are priced out for the most part. The projects will be the last holdout. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 14:54:10 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 5 13:59:01 2021. Like I’m pretty sure it was just as safe to walk along Fifth Avenue during the day.The only place I have ever been the victim of an in-person crime in NYC is actually 10th Street at 5th Ave. Admittedly, it was 10 PM, not daylight. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 14:55:36 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 14:54:10 2021. Oh man. What happened? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 14:58:19 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 13:35:28 2021. Circa 1969 I walked from PABT to the BMT subway, using 41st street. I was probably relatively safe because I didn't look rich or like a totally easy target. But the entire block from 8th to 7th was full of loitering young men who didn't look like they'd ever worked a regular job. It was very unsettling. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 15:00:25 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 14:55:36 2021. A guy blocked my path and said, I have a gun, give me your wallet. I did, he took out the $8 in it and gave the wallet back to me, and ran off. That was about 1970, so $8 was sort of real money back then. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 5 15:38:33 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 14:54:10 2021. I'm a little later, and it was afternoon. I had an "altercation" on the M train in 1988 between Essex St and Hewes (yes, it was over by Hewes, marcy was still at the tail end). It ended okay, and I dont care to discuss it more that that...but it was a learning experience too. I was very young, and learned not to trust anyone.In the end, I was lucky....I was not hurt, and wasn't robbed, but it was only a few weeks into me riding the subway in that horrible nyc era alone, and it taught me well. It took me a few trips through there afterwards to feel secure again, but it is what is is.... And I also know that it is what it is. I'd never like to see nyc return to that time again , but there are certain politicians hell bent on it. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 5 15:45:37 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 14:54:10 2021. I never have, and never will. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Mar 5 15:48:14 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 15:00:25 2021. 1970 $8 is $53.94 in 2021. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 16:12:33 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 14:58:19 2021. In the early-mid 70s I walked from Penn Sta to GCT. Walking sorta zig-zag from the 2 points, I found myself walking along 42 St by Bryant Park. At That time, it was boarded up & every conceivable skell was around there. I just took big steps, no eye contact & kept close to the curb & nothing happened. Never went by their again until the park was re-opened. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 17:47:57 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 5 09:52:32 2021. Regardless of what went on in Times Sq. & the filthy subways, there were always safe places to raise a family in NYC. I raised my kids in their early years in Woodhaven. That was a safe working class neighborhood back in the early-mid 80s. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 18:15:40 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 15:00:25 2021. Do you think he really had a gun?Glad you survived. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 5 18:15:41 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 15:00:25 2021. Do you think he really had a gun?Glad you survived. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 5 19:40:05 2021, in response to Re: Return of the taggers: New York is blighted with graffiti, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 17:47:57 2021. Yep. Working and middle class neighborhoods still existed. |
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