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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:24:36 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 16:31:55 2020.

The later DNA evidence supporting Matias Reyes' statement that he attacked Meili, acting alone, plus the contemporary accounts that the detectives and Linda Fairstein were looking for an easy clearance on a high-profile, White female victim case. The CP5 kids fit the profile, and were known to be in the park that night.

Then there's the fact that each of those kids got significant details of the attack wrong in their individual "confessions", a fact that is treated at length in novels about the case and the When They See Us docudrama. As teenagers, they were no match for experienced interrogators. The ADA knew about these discrepancies, but went to court anyway. Nobody was worried about five inner-city Black kids represented by public pretenders. The CP5 were convicted before they ever got in front of a judge or jury.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by pragmatist on Sun Nov 22 17:24:42 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 22 17:17:02 2020.

It is called "deadly physical force" for a reason. If you are legally permitted to use it, you don't play tv or movie character. Lots of people don't get that. On the other hand, Goetz did not do as well in civil proceedings, where the standard of proof is lower. He tried to discharge the judgements in bankruptcy, and failed, but since his life was pretty much ruined, it is doubtful he paid much if anything at all.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 17:27:00 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:17:16 2020.

Not exactly. The specific reason for the protest was the shooting of Jacob Blake and he wasn't killed extrajudicially. He was shot after police were called by the mother of his children because he attacked her and took their kids extrajudicially. He then attacked police with a knife. This attack was also conducted extrajudicially.

The third guy shot is named Gauge Gosskreutz. He was also armed and was shot after running at Rittenhouse with a gun in his hand.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:29:07 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 16:34:46 2020.

Perhaps the spinal fluid leaking out onto the car floor (which witnesses reported, and an EMS crew noted on their ACR), and the fact that the kid was prone and no longer moving. Why shoot him a second time instead of escaping the scene without delay?

Goes to intent.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 17:29:34 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:17:16 2020.

"extrajudicial killings of Black men by the police" is a boldfaced lie. It just doesn't exist. Maybe decades ago in the South.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 22 17:29:59 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 17:27:00 2020.

You put that so perfectly. I am in awe.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:30:07 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 17:13:56 2020.

No, I'm a "don't shoot a person again when they're already down" kind of guy.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 17:30:21 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 17:27:00 2020.

Stop confusing JZ.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:32:43 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 17:27:00 2020.

Not so fast. Gosskreutz was the "good guy with a gun". He only went after Rittenhouse.after the kid had already started killing people.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 22 17:32:57 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:29:07 2020.

Most people would not be able to differentiate between spinal fluid and brake fluid. Why are you beating the dead horse? Goetz ended Cabey's life of crime without killing him. Thats more than prison could guarantee.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:33:20 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 17:30:21 2020.

Stop confusing yourself!

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Nov 22 17:34:48 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 17:29:34 2020.

IDWYP

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:46:19 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 17:29:34 2020.

Tamir Rice. Oscar Grant. Philando Castile. George Floyd. Amadou Diallo. Freddie Gray. Patrick Dorismond. Eric Garner. Botham Jean. Ahmaud Arbery. Malice Green. Breonna Taylor. Walter Wallace. Sandra Bland...

I could be typing names for another hour...

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 17:49:35 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:29:07 2020.

I'm talking in the moment. Or maybe everyone should all wait until EMS crews arrive to determine when to stop shooting

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by pragmatist on Sun Nov 22 17:52:16 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:46:19 2020.

Many of those are subjective or may have been troubling, but not always clear cut as to actual cause. It would have been more fun to type the list of Eagle Scouts that went on to be some of the worst criminals the country has known. Sadly, there are some gems.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Nov 22 17:52:44 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:46:19 2020.

IAWTP

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 17:53:51 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:32:43 2020.

He may be a great guy, but from the perspective of Rittenhouse, he was a stranger running at him with a gun raised in an offensive posture.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:58:21 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by pragmatist on Sun Nov 22 17:52:16 2020.

"Subjective"?

George Floyd was suffocated to death on sharp clear video while being restrained by three cops.

Philando Castile was shot by a cop on Facebook Live, even though Castile did everything the NRA teaches its members to do when stopped by the police while carrying a legal gun.

Oscar Grant was shot on a BART platform in front of a trainload of witnesses, many of whom captured the incident on video, while he was prone, handcuffed, and being physically restrained by the cop who killed him.

None of these three examples out of many more, is "subjective" at all.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:59:26 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 17:53:51 2020.

AFTER RITTEHOUSE HAD KILLED TWO PEOPLE.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 17:59:44 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Nov 22 17:23:43 2020.

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 18:00:30 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 15:18:27 2020.

Me shooting someone first is irrelevant.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by pragmatist on Sun Nov 22 18:02:56 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:58:21 2020.

Garner and Diallo...killed in a police action, but that doesn't make the cause racial

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 22 18:14:15 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:30:07 2020.

I’m a shoot ’em till they’re definitely dead kind of guy.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 18:37:03 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:30:07 2020.

I think that it's better to be a "shoot until they are no longer a threat", but it's your life. Understand that it's your personal choice and not a universal requirement.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by bingbong on Sun Nov 22 18:49:16 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 14:47:07 2020.

And a former cop, no less.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by bingbong on Sun Nov 22 19:04:45 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:16:17 2020.

He had already shot someone, which is why the guy swung a skateboard at him to begin with. THAT is the legitimate self-defense.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 19:10:57 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 15:29:02 2020.

Have you seen the video of him shooting the first guy?

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 22 19:11:38 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by bingbong on Sun Nov 22 18:49:16 2020.

A judge approved bail above your objections. I don't see you complaining about all the felons being released without bail in your own state. Why are you such a hypocritical BITCH, bitch?

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 19:11:55 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 16:40:05 2020.

It was your typical antifa tactics. Go after the "fascists".

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 19:16:19 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 15:33:44 2020.

It could be argued that since Goetz couldn't know he was paralyzed, he feared that he would get up and attack him, so he shot him again

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 19:18:14 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 18:37:03 2020.

Yep

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 19:22:54 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:29:07 2020.

So now every passenger is a trained medical professional who can readily identify spinal fluid? Also, he was still moving his upper torso. I saw videos of the crime scene taken right after it happened and before they were removed, when I was a rookie cop

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 22 19:23:57 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:29:07 2020.

Cabey was not prone. He was on the seat.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 19:44:58 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:17:16 2020.

Do you REALLY think that those mopes were protesting the "extrajudicial" killings of black men by the police (whatever THAT is?) OR just spreading the antifa message of destroy everything they can in their quest to destroy Capitalism and Democracy?

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 19:48:19 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:32:43 2020.

🤣😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣😅🤣😅 I have a bridge to sell you!!!

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 19:48:42 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 17:30:21 2020.

+1

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 22 19:50:44 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 22 19:23:57 2020.

But, but, but the spinal fluid?

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 19:51:38 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:58:21 2020.

It was a Fentynol overdose. Already been priven.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 22 19:51:56 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 19:44:58 2020.

They were doing early Christmas shopping. The bargains were a steal.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 19:54:02 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 17:16:58 2020.

He knows that. He's just being him.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 19:55:11 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:24:36 2020.

Pure fiction

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 20:08:08 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by bingbong on Sun Nov 22 18:49:16 2020.

Sometimes, it's the only solution!

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 20:10:32 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by bingbong on Sun Nov 22 19:04:45 2020.

Do you even "hear" yourself? Do you know what SELF-defense means?

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by bingbong on Sun Nov 22 20:43:31 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 20:10:32 2020.

Yes, and yes. Are you so blinded by hate and ideology?

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 21:08:49 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by bingbong on Sun Nov 22 20:43:31 2020.

As per videos, Rittenhouse shot the perps who were trying to assault and disarm him. The dope who tried assaulting him with the skateboard is now in Hell. So no, I'm not blinded by hate or ideology. In fact, I have no ideology

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 22 21:35:35 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 21:08:49 2020.

So self-defense is an "ideology" now?

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 22:01:40 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:46:19 2020.

Every single one of them except George Floyd was completely justified.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 22:03:02 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by pragmatist on Sun Nov 22 17:52:16 2020.

Why bother. JZ knows the truth, it just goes against his agenda.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 22:04:45 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by pragmatist on Sun Nov 22 18:02:56 2020.

Garner wasn't even killed. He died of medical reasons due to a heart condition and obesity

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by pragmatist on Sun Nov 22 22:09:58 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 22:04:45 2020.

which were likely aggravated by being choked....I have more faith in the Medical Examiners report than the NYPD

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