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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by bingbong on Sun Nov 22 14:43:49 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 14:04:40 2020.

Wrong.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Nov 22 14:44:24 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 14:15:49 2020.

WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF A NEW TRIAL ???

LAST ONE WAS ALL WHITE

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 22 14:46:55 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 14:27:02 2020.

How do you know?

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 22 14:46:58 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by AlM on Sun Nov 22 14:37:41 2020.

I wonder if you'd be so sure with your own life

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 14:47:07 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by bingbong on Sun Nov 22 14:43:49 2020.

Isn't it disgusting how he condones murder?

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 22 14:47:27 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 22 11:13:47 2020.

My gut feeling is that at least some of the CP 5 attacked her, but none raped her. That makes the whole case unsuitable to me as an example for any political claim, whether it's rampant crime at the time, or police racism.



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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 14:50:34 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 22 14:46:55 2020.

Rittenhouse's victims died trying to stop him from killing again.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 22 14:52:47 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 11:24:07 2020.

Where is the evidence that itís true?

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 22 14:53:23 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by AlM on Sun Nov 22 14:47:27 2020.

I donít agree that any of them had anything to do with Meilli.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 14:54:53 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by AlM on Sun Nov 22 14:47:27 2020.

The timeline of events on the night in question shows that it would have been almost impossible for any of the CP5 to have been at Meili's location in the park to even assault her, but still make it home in the time allotted by witnesses who saw the kids returning.

The actual perp, Matias Reyes, placed the time of his attack much later on than was originally thought.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:03:30 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 14:27:02 2020.

Did you watch the videos? The antifas decided they were going to assault him, but they chose the wrong guy.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 22 15:03:53 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 14:47:07 2020.

Yes! Its appropriate, mini-boy.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 22 15:04:34 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:03:30 2020.

Don't confuse him with facts

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:05:15 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 14:27:56 2020.

They were trying to get his firearm so they could assault and possibly kill him.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 22 15:05:30 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 14:54:53 2020.

LOL Mini-man for the defense

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:05:39 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 22 14:38:52 2020.

It can't be helped.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 15:06:23 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 22 14:52:47 2020.

In this video, after Rittenhouse has already shot one person, his next victim tries to stop the bloodshed by knocking Rittenhouse down and striking the alleged killer with a skateboard. Rittenhouse sits upright and shoots the man at nearly point-blank range. Then, Rittenhouse gets up and fires several more shots even though no one is close to him at this point at all.

He then tried to surrender to the police, who completely ignore him, and the shouts of witnesses who warn that Rittenhouse had just shot people. The cops later said they didn't arrest Rittenhouse at the scene because there was "too much chaos". That's bullshit. I've participated in protest marches that had hundreds of thousands of participants, making all kinds of noise, and still seen cops single out the EXACT person they wanted to arrest amid the pandemonium.

"Self-defense"? No sale.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 22 15:07:46 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 21 11:01:35 2020.

Hmm
I'll keep that in mind the next time a unwelcomed solicitor for the extreme Right knocks on my door.
Or "gets all up in my face at the supermarket...bitchin about a mask..."

Hey,you know what?
You rubes are funny, but convincing.
I can shoot the fuck outta any one of You,get one of my inside folks to get the case dropped.
No jail time.
Self defense.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 15:08:25 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:05:15 2020.

No, they weren't.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:09:11 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by AlM on Sun Nov 22 14:37:41 2020.

It was 1984. The subways were shit, mopes running wild, robbing, assaulting, killing straphangers. Who's to say that they wouldn't have? One never knows.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 15:10:37 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Nov 22 09:21:52 2020.

That is not politically correct. Stereotyping Asians is wrong.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:10:56 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 14:47:07 2020.

It was self-defense.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:13:09 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Nov 22 14:44:24 2020.

Where did I say I was afraid? But my point is, that there's absolutely NO need. Je was tried and convicted. What does race have to do with it?

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 22 15:16:04 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:05:15 2020.

Yeah.
Taking away a "weapon he should Never had,SHOULD NEVER HAD BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE..."
POINTING A WEAPON AT SOMEONE is IMPLIED HARM,IMPLIED THREAT.
That in a of itself Should be the deterrent, but(as is the case with most of you CRIMINAL organizations that Pretend to be Law Enforcement, etc)you look away,turn a blind eye dur to YOUR PROGRAMING.

FASCIST bastards.
You will Never see exactly What went wrong here.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:16:17 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 15:06:23 2020.

If someone swings a skateboard at me, I'm going to remedy the situation.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 15:18:27 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:16:17 2020.

After you first shoot somebody?

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:22:46 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 15:08:25 2020.

I've seen that 1000 times. Now, between me and you, WHO do you think is more qualified to determine the culpable mental state of one's actions based on a video? I'll give you a hint....it ain't you!

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 22 15:23:57 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:09:11 2020.

After the incident:

Cabey was involuntarily retired from his life of crime, paralyzed from the waist down and somewhat brain damaged.

Allen was sent to prison for the violent robbery of a 58 year old woman.

Ramseur was convicted of a violent rape/allault and sentenced to 8 1/3 to 25 years.

Canty only had a shop lifting charge after Goetz shot him. He was the under-achiever of the team.

I'm sure that alms faith in these young men is otherwise justified.



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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 22 15:25:03 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:22:46 2020.

+100

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:25:19 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 22 15:16:04 2020.

Oh looky here, it's my buddy! How ya been?

Programming? What say you?

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:27:56 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 22 15:23:57 2020.

STOP MAKING THINGS UP!!

They were ALL upstanding citizens who swallowed their pride and sheepishly asked Bernie for some change, so they too can enjoy a morsel of fun.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 15:29:02 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:22:46 2020.

Rittenhouse's actions speak for themselves. Again, the video begins AFTER Rittenhouse had already shot his first victim.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 15:33:44 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:27:56 2020.

Goetz compounded his offense by shooting one of those kids a second time, after the victim's spinal cord had already been transected. Yes, the assailants admitted that they were trying to rob Goetz (on a subway car full of witnesses, at that), but again, it was that extra round Goetz put into the would-be mugger, that changed the whole case from self-defense to attempted murder.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 22 15:38:34 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 15:33:44 2020.

Didn't he mutter something like "you don't look so bad", then shot him again ?

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 16:29:55 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 15:29:02 2020.

There's also video of Rittenhouse being chased by the first attacker/victim. In the videos that I've seen, it's too dark to see what immediately preceded the shooting, but I've read that the guy grabbed the wrong end of the rifle. The fact that Rittenhouse was literally running away from the guy and was subsequently caught makes it appear like that was self-defense to me. He was obviously not the aggressor.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 16:31:55 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 11:24:07 2020.

What evidence is there that the CP-5 confessions were false? DNA and pingerfrints don't mean a thing if the reason someone is charged because he acted in concert and didn't commit the actual act.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 16:32:00 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 22 15:38:34 2020.

See earlier in the his thread about that quote.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 16:33:20 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 16:29:55 2020.

In the videos that I've seen, it's too dark to see what immediately preceded the shooting

Then how can you know that Rittenhouse wasn't the aggressor?

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 16:34:46 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 15:33:44 2020.

I'm not a fan of Goetz at all, but do you think that he knew that the child's spinal cord was "transected"?

Either way. Self-defense experts say that when your life is in danger, you respond with deadly force. You don't shoot once and consider the odds that you are safe and then weigh whether to shoot again.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 16:38:33 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 10:38:34 2020.

I'll believe an Eagle Scout who got that rank by doing only good deeds over a troublemaking protestor any day. And anyway, why are you concerned with the decedents? They weren't black or gay.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 16:40:05 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 16:33:20 2020.

Because he was running away from the guy.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 16:47:33 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 22 11:10:22 2020.

I was asking myself the same thing!!


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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 22 16:48:50 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 16:31:55 2020.

Was the charge that the kids acted in concert, or was the charge that the kids committed the acts?



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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 16:56:17 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Nov 22 02:07:20 2020.

What part of Australia? Vienna, Innsbruk, or Saltzburg??

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 22 17:08:48 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 16:34:46 2020.

Exactly. You go for the kill shot.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 22 17:13:56 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 22 17:08:48 2020.

I think that JayZee may be a "shoot for a limb and try to avoid an artery" type of guy.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 17:16:58 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 14:47:07 2020.

Self defense isn't murder.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 22 17:17:02 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 15:33:44 2020.

Compounded what, asshole? He wasn't found guilty of shooting them.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Nov 22 17:17:16 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Nov 22 16:38:33 2020.

Those"troublemakers" were exercising their First Amendment rights to protest the extrajudicial killings of Black men by the police.

Rittenhouse, on the other hand, was breaking the law by carrying (to say nothing about firing) a rifle he could not legally possess.

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Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Nov 22 17:23:43 2020, in response to Re: Rittenhouse Makes Bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 22 15:13:09 2020.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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