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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 12:49:19 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Apr 7 12:41:56 2020. But he is trying to fast track this.It's getting plenty of attention from actual doctors. His excessive push can have the effect of downplaying some of the other 50 possible approaches. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 13:10:02 2020, in response to Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 08:09:32 2020. Here's an excerpt from the article. It's clear this is not a wonder drug, or NY doctors would have noticed. Hopefully, it will help a bit.New York City’s Health and Hospitals Corporation, which runs its public hospitals, is advising but not requiring doctors to use hydroxychloroquine based on a trial showing a decreased cough and fever with mild side effects in two patients, Dr. Mitchell Katz, who oversees the hospital system, said by email on Monday. Dr. Roy M. Gulick, the chief of infectious diseases at Weill Cornell Medicine, said hydroxychloroquine was given on a case-by-case basis. “We explain the pros and cons and explain that we don’t know if it works or not,” he said. Doctors at Northwell Health and Mount Sinai Health System are using it as well. At the Mount Sinai South Nassau County branch on Long Island, doctors have employed a regimen of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin “pretty much since day one” with mixed results, said Dr. Adhi Sharma, its chief medical officer. “We’ve been throwing the kitchen sink at these patients,” he said. “I can’t tell whether someone got better on their own or because of the medication.” |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 7 13:10:09 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Apr 7 12:36:18 2020. It is exactly BECAUSE people are dying that he should post this. Is Trump really trying to save lives or is he trying to enrich himself?It may be both, though. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 13:13:31 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 7 13:10:09 2020. It may be both, though.I think it is effectively neither. I believe he is trying to falsely bolster optimism for political reasons. And while he probably realizes he owns some shares of the applicable drug manufacturers, he must also realize that his stake is so small as not to matter in the overall scheme of his personal wealth. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 7 13:32:01 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Dave on Tue Apr 7 09:30:00 2020. I may not understand the industry as clearly as the bingbong liberals do but it seems that the patent on hydroxychloroquine sulfate would have expired decades ago. Thereby allowing any drug manufacturer to produce it if there was sufficient demand to make it profitable. That said, then owningbstocknin one or two pharmaceutical companies who manufacture a generic drug hardly seems the path to great wealth. Seems more like fodder for the anti-Trump neurotics. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 13:39:59 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 13:13:31 2020. Even if his stake in Sanofi is small, it's still a gross conflict of interest. Even a minor stakeholder in this company would benefit greatly if the FDA approves hydrochloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19 in humans. Surely Trump is aware of this. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 7 13:45:58 2020, in response to Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 08:09:32 2020. Can we delay all this bullshit until after the plague is under control? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Apr 7 13:48:46 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 7 12:07:50 2020. "We need someone that can actually do this job,now more than ever."Like who? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 7 13:49:01 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 7 13:45:58 2020. Why? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 7 13:58:59 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Apr 7 12:36:18 2020. If he is hyping a treatment or fast tracking something that might not be effective because he has a financial interest in doing so, that is a major issue. However, from what I have read it appears he owns stock in a fund in which one manufacturer of the drug is part of the portfolio. Considering the portfolio likely has many drug manufacturers hyping one will hurt the others. I think a mountain is being made out of a mole hill unless it can be demonstrated that President Trump is providing preferential treatment. For example, fast tracking a specific maker of Hydroxychloroquine to the exclusion of the generic brands. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 7 14:14:13 2020, in response to Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 08:09:32 2020. Can we delay all this bullshit until after the plague is under control? |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Apr 7 14:14:55 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 12:20:05 2020. IAWTP. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 14:16:56 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 7 13:58:59 2020. If he is hyping a treatment or fast tracking something that might not be effective because he has a financial interest in doing so, that is a major issue.However, if you die or become permanently disabled just before an effective treatment comes out, and the effective treatment was delayed by Trump's hyping of chloroquine, it won't be any solace to your family that Trump didn't do the hyping for personal financial reasons. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 14:23:02 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 7 14:14:13 2020. No, because it's not "bullshit". |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 7 14:23:53 2020, in response to Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 08:09:32 2020. Can we delay all this bullshit until after the plague is under control? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 7 14:29:14 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 13:39:59 2020. TDS in the extreme |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 7 14:54:16 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 14:16:56 2020. Hmmm, on the other hand, what about those innocent people who might have died because Governor Cuomo withheld a drug from.them that might have saved their life? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 7 15:00:23 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 12:49:19 2020. That's a serious point of concern. I worry they won't have the money to get an actual emergent effective treatment to everyone because thye wasted all that money on what's effectively (Hydroxychloroquinej) and actual (azithromycin) anti-BIOTICS. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 7 15:04:53 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 7 14:14:13 2020. It's not bullshit, it's taxpayer money. How will we pay for a real treatment if we waste money on a hoax? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 7 15:11:22 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 7 14:54:16 2020. Governor Cuomo withheld a drug from.them that might have saved their lifeHow has Cuomo withheld Hydroxychloroquine? Many New York hospitals are participating in a clinical trial to determine its effectiveness. |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Tue Apr 7 15:16:20 2020, in response to Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 08:09:32 2020. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-personal-stake-in-the-malaria-drug-maker-sanofi-could-be-as-small-as-99-2020-04-07?mod=mw_latestnews&link=sfmw_tw, |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 15:21:44 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 7 15:11:22 2020. How has Cuomo withheld Hydroxychloroquine?He hasn't. I just posted an excerpt from a NY Times article quoting various NYC hospital sources that are administering it to quite a few patients. The fact that the death rate hasn't plummeted proves that it has limited effectiveness at best. It very well be worthwhile, but it isn't some great cure. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 7 15:26:12 2020, in response to Trump’s personal stake in the malaria-drug maker Sanofi could be as small as $99, posted by DAnD124 on Tue Apr 7 15:16:20 2020. PWN3D!!! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 15:35:12 2020, in response to Re: Trump’s personal stake in the malaria-drug maker Sanofi could be as small as $99, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 7 15:26:12 2020. Wait...we don't know Trump's taxes, we don't know his total wealth, we don't know the full extent of his holdings or debt, but we DO know how little Trump had invested in this one overseas company???No sale. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 7 15:35:30 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 14:23:02 2020. It absolutely is bullshit, even Trump-Deranged George Conway is rejecting it:He owns some mutual funds that hold Sanofi. And the med is off-patent. The suggestion that this is significant is a huge stretch. If you want a "Drumpfler is doing this for his own benefit" explanation here's one: It's a drug available right now that might help, and the faster we get past this the faster the economy rebounds, which will help him get re-elected. That's it! He downplayed Coronavirus to prolong economic activity, he wants people to try something that hopefully works to restore economic activity. He wants to be re-elected, period. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 15:36:32 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 7 15:11:22 2020. TD's out will be that he said "Cuomo withheld a drug", without specifying which medication he was referring to. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 15:37:31 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 7 15:35:30 2020. He wants to be re-elected, period.Exactly. And there is a big risk that his hyping of this drug for reasons of politics and stupidity will slow down testing of the other 50 drugs that might help. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 7 15:37:52 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 7 14:23:53 2020. If Hydroxychloroquine ends up actually being the miracle cure it's being touted as, I like the arsenal of stupid hot takes this asshattery by the media is taking. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 15:44:29 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 7 15:37:52 2020. If Hydroxychloroquine ends up actually being the miracle cure it's being touted asIf it's so great, why haven't NYS death rates plummeted? It's being widely used here. And what about the other drugs NY hospitals haven't had time to test because they are being pushed so strongly to go all out on this one? What if one of them turns out to be a miracle cure and we only find out in 3 months? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 7 16:16:22 2020, in response to Re: Trump’s personal stake in the malaria-drug maker Sanofi could be as small as $99, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 15:35:12 2020. Dude, read the whole article. The mutual fund Trump is invested in holds a 3% stake in Sanofi. Just admit you fell for fake news and move on, try and retain some credibility here... |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Apr 7 16:20:21 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by 3-9 on Tue Apr 7 11:25:19 2020. Seriously? LOL! |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 7 16:20:40 2020, in response to Re: Trump’s personal stake in the malaria-drug maker Sanofi could be as small as $99, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 7 16:16:22 2020. Reading the article, his other investments might have interests in Sanofi. So while his interest from this one fund might be as small as $99, he could have shares elsewhere. The problem with this though is the assumption of facts not in evidence. It relies solely on President Trump's disclosure form regarding his assets. Past statements indicate that President Trump has not always been truthful about his net worth or holdings. While I believe this entire "controversy" is a mountain made out of a mole hill for reasons I have stated previously, I don't believe anyone can say with any certainty how much of an interest President Trump has in Sanofi. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 16:35:42 2020, in response to Re: Trump’s personal stake in the malaria-drug maker Sanofi could be as small as $99, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 7 16:16:22 2020. Just admit you fell for fake newsIt's not fake news. The article is overwhelmingly about other matters. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 7 16:50:10 2020, in response to Re: Trump’s personal stake in the malaria-drug maker Sanofi could be as small as $99, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 16:35:42 2020. He fell for fake news even if the article wasn't fake. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 16:52:05 2020, in response to Re: Trump’s personal stake in the malaria-drug maker Sanofi could be as small as $99, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 7 16:50:10 2020. I would say he drastically overemphasized an extremely minor bit of real news. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 16:56:34 2020, in response to Re: Trump’s personal stake in the malaria-drug maker Sanofi could be as small as $99, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 7 16:50:10 2020. Note the similarity to Senator Kelly Loeffler.Loeffler had a potential conflict of interest. But so far no one has disproven her assertion that it was her advisors who made the investment decisions, not her. Not exactly the same as Trump's defense, which is that the investment is de minimis, but in the same spirit. But no one here has accused those who made much of Loeffler's situation of falling for fake news. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 7 17:17:35 2020, in response to Re: Trump’s personal stake in the malaria-drug maker Sanofi could be as small as $99, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 7 16:20:40 2020. It's clear that the entire bingbong liberal crew is wholly invested in this likely fiction. In other words, throw the mud and see what sticks, where. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 7 17:18:51 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 15:36:32 2020. Hey, dick breath, I don't need you making arguments for me. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 7 17:23:36 2020, in response to Re: Trump’s personal stake in the malaria-drug maker Sanofi could be as small as $99, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Apr 7 16:20:40 2020. If you believe Trump - yeah I know - he has said that he doesn’t own stocks, he owns companies. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 7 17:25:49 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 7 15:11:22 2020. Until very recently, cuomo banned the purchase of the drug.Washington Examiner 4/07 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Apr 7 17:31:14 2020, in response to Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 08:09:32 2020. "I hope nobody thought Trump was pushing this particular medication out of genuine benevolence for the people..."Pure speculation on your part, and anyone else who feels that way. If you hate Trump goin in, of course that'll be your position. If you think Trump cannot do anything wrong, you'll think that he'll save the human race with his insistance on this drug cocktail being made available to the general public with the accompaning Nobel Prize, reelection & possible canonization. Don't forget, he's in that group of +70s so he has a personal interest in this drug working. That said: Bottom line is nobody knows whats goin on in Trump's mind but him. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 17:38:17 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 7 17:18:51 2020. I'm just calling out your obvious game-playing, troll. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 7 17:43:21 2020, in response to Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 08:09:32 2020. Now reads: Trump’s Aggressive Advocacy of Malaria Drug for Treating Coronavirus Divides Medical CommunityBeobachter Slimes delenda est. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 17:46:21 2020, in response to HEADLINE CHANGED (Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NY Beobachter Slimes), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 7 17:43:21 2020. No, that was always the headline. The article, however, points out that Trump has money in Sanofi. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Apr 7 17:47:53 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Dave on Tue Apr 7 16:20:21 2020. Why? You don't think he wouldn't try to boost his financial fortunes? I'm assuming here that he owns enough shares that it's more than just a blip in his portfolio. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 7 17:50:06 2020, in response to HEADLINE CHANGED (Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NY Beobachter Slimes), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 7 17:43:21 2020. That was the original headline.Just like the passage about Lot's wife was always "Tehi" and not "Hayta." |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 7 18:10:01 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 7 17:38:17 2020. LOL. You are not qualified, little guy. Now g wash your vaganus. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 18:10:17 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Apr 7 17:31:14 2020. Don't forget, he's in that group of +70s so he has a personal interest in this drug working.I'm 69 years old and I very much want something that makes this disease much less dangerous. But I don't try to tell the medical experts what that is, because I don't actually know. The best you can say about Trump is that he is dangerously stupid, pushing the medical establishment in a given direction, which might or might not be the best direction. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 18:13:13 2020, in response to HEADLINE CHANGED (Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NY Beobachter Slimes), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 7 17:43:21 2020. The original url,as posted by JayZ at 8 AM, washttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-malaria-drug.html Nothing in there about financial interest being the lead news. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 7 18:14:30 2020, in response to Re: Trump Has Financial Interest In Hydroxychloroquine Maker: NYT, posted by 3-9 on Tue Apr 7 17:47:53 2020. I'm assuming here that he owns enough shares that it's more than just a blip in his portfolio.Not an assumption either proven or disproven by the known facts. |
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