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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 16:02:54 2018, in response to NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by Dave on Thu Dec 6 15:24:28 2018. Total Kangaroo Court. Not even a court per se but I'm means by the NYPD to punish or exonerate cops. They operate on preponderance of the evidence, not guilty or Innocent by Reasonable Doubt. Which means if the right phone calls get made, someone either hangs or they walk. Can you guess what's going to happen? |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Dec 6 16:05:26 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 16:02:54 2018. I'm a betting man but I know not to take that bet! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 16:11:26 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 16:02:54 2018. Charmaine already delivered the verdict! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 16:18:51 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 16:02:54 2018. Let me put it to you another way: If I, an ordinary civilian, did to someone what Pantaleo did to Garner, and it was captured on sharp, clear video, could I expect to get away with it, as Pantaleo has so far?If so, why? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 16:24:39 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 16:18:51 2018. Will you Flow In Your Arms saying this ends today! This ends today! I'm refusing to get cuffed? Like I said, this was no chance encounter, everybody knew him! He was a terror in that neighborhood and pain-in-the-ass number one! Shit, when this first happened and I heard his name I'm like this motherfucker?! He's been a pain in my fucking ass for for fucking years! |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 6 16:27:57 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 16:02:54 2018. They operate on preponderance of the evidence, not guilty or Innocent by Reasonable Doubt.All employers at best operate on that when deciding whether or not to fire you. Bad employers just fire you based on whim. If the preponderance of the evidence indicates that Officer Pantaleo used a procedure forbidden by the department, he deserves to be fired. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 16:33:37 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 6 16:27:57 2018. But that's not how it works in the NYPD trial Room. Everybody, both good and bad, gets phone calls and whoever gets the highest phone call with the biggest hook, wins. In this case, the bigwigs want him fired and Jesus Christ Himself can't come down from heaven and save him. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 16:45:15 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 16:24:39 2018. Such a justification of murder! Oh, and you didn't answer my question. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 16:48:13 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 16:33:37 2018. Kinda hard to dispute the video, don't you think?All the department needs to do is put a use of force instructor from the Academy on to dissect the video, frame by frame. BITS uses Academy instructors in the FDNY/EMSC trial system, and for the same reason, as expert witnesses. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Dec 6 17:03:57 2018, in response to NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by Dave on Thu Dec 6 15:24:28 2018. Why did it take four years to have this departmental trial? Did they think this would be forgotten and swept under the carpet? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 17:05:07 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 16:33:37 2018. There is an element of truth to that. I had a friend who was a cop in one of the Brooklyn precincts, but he had the highest hook of all. His mother was the SPAA in Commissioner Kelly's office. My friend was assigned to the Ice Auto in Prospect Park one dark winter night, and somehow managed to drive his radio car into the pond.The powers that be wanted to give him more than a CD for that bit of silliness, but his mom had the PC's ear. She went in to see him, and began, "Ray, I know you got to rip him, but he's my son..." He came away with a nastygram in his file, but that was the end of it. I doubt, however, that Pantaleo has any family on the 14th floor... |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Dec 6 17:07:52 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 17:05:07 2018. I'm sure that he did not kill anyone when he drove that patrol car into the icy pond, right? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 17:10:26 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Dec 6 17:07:52 2018. No, he didn't. I'm just pointing out that Bill is correct, the NYPD trial system is open to some back-scratching.It won't help Pantaleo one bit, though. See my other response to Bill's post, for the reasons why. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 17:32:30 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 16:48:13 2018. The video doesn't show ANY wrongdoing, hence the aquittal. When will you get that through your head? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 17:36:54 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 17:05:07 2018. Oh, it's more than "an element" If it'sdetermined by the powers that be that someone has to fall on the sword, whether they are innocent or not, so be it. Same with eing found not guilty.I remember that incident. |
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Posted by FtgreeneG on Thu Dec 6 17:56:21 2018, in response to NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by Dave on Thu Dec 6 15:24:28 2018. One side of me says good but the other side of me know deep down it's a dog and pony show. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 17:58:47 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 17:32:30 2018. The acquittal shows that Donovan intentionally threw the case. Why can't you understand that? |
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Posted by FtgreeneG on Thu Dec 6 17:58:58 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by FtgreeneG on Thu Dec 6 17:56:21 2018. Oh nevermind it's an NYPD trial. If he gets fired I'm sure he can get another police job in Jersey somewhere... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 6 18:03:12 2018, in response to NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by Dave on Thu Dec 6 15:24:28 2018. He didn't die from a chokehold. Repeating the old lies in the media? The media ought to pay for this. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 6 18:04:42 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 16:33:37 2018. Jesus Christ Himself can't come down from heaven and save himYes He can. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 6 18:06:26 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 16:02:54 2018. The NYPD already turned their backs on De Blasio once. If they don't stand up for themselves again, then it'll happen to any one of them. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 18:07:17 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 6 18:03:12 2018. AGAIN, the Staten Island ME ruled that Garner died, a homicide victim, from manual compression of his chest and trachea. That is, he died because another human being cut Garner's air off until he asphyxiated. The responding EMS crew sealed Garner's fate by utterly failing to do their jobs. Garner's health was listed by the ME as a secondary cause of his death.You oughta pay for repeating the lie that this wasn't so. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 6 18:33:55 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 16:33:37 2018. But that's not how it works in the NYPD trial Room.Sigh. You're the one who said it was. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 19:03:02 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 16:45:15 2018. He wasn't murdered. FOR THE BILLIONTH TIME, he was a fat, disgusting slob whose own body weight killed him. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 19:08:25 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 17:58:47 2018. We've gone through this before. The DA is NOT going to throw a high publicity case. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 19:09:10 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 18:07:17 2018. FROM HIS FAT BODY FRAME!!! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 19:10:07 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 6 18:04:42 2018. Well then He better be on His way! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 19:12:17 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 6 18:33:55 2018. What are you even talking about? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 6 19:13:45 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 19:03:02 2018. I have no doubt he was in ill health and that his airway wasn't completely closed. But even partial deprivation of oxygen can have very bad consequences.10 years ago, at age 57, I was pushing a lawn mower uphill wearing a mask to avoid breathing too many allergens. I suddenly started to experience angina for the first time ever (and I never have since). My doctor told me that because of the reduced oxygen I could have given myself a heart attack if I hadn't immediately stopped exercising. And I wasn't and am not overweight. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 6 19:15:05 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 19:03:02 2018. Doesn't matter; the medial will continue to lie their asses off about this. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 19:20:34 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 6 19:13:45 2018. Could he have been propped up to a sitting/standing position after he was cuffed? Sure. Have police and EMS heard the "I can't breathe" mantra over and over again? Yes. Was Eric a known menace and recidivist? Yes. That combination caused his swift death to that Great Cigarette Carton in the ground. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 19:50:28 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 19:20:34 2018. According to the protocol, a patient stating difficulty in breathing is considered an ominous sign of respiratory distress. The words, "I can't breathe", followed by cardiopulmonary arrest, should suggest to even the most ignorant observer that something is seriously wrong.Gross obesity cannot possibly be the problem if someone is manipulating your airway in a manner likely to cause death. I realize you are completely incapable of believing the police could kill a person this way, or that a Republican DA would intentionally throw a case to maintain a good working relationship with those very same cops, but that is REALITY. Why would the ME cite manual airway compression as Garner's primary cause of death if that was untrue? The ME has nothing to lose, no matter what diagnosis he makes. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 19:56:20 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 6 19:13:45 2018. In order to suffer complete cardiopulmonary failure, a person's airway must be compressed to the point where the volume of air entering it is no longer sufficient to sustain breathing. For most people, that means a 90% obstruction.I will grant for the moment that Garner's ill health may have caused him to suffocate with a less compromised airway, but that still doesn't change the fact that Garner died because his trachea was being forced shut. That shouldn't ever have occurred to begin with. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 6 20:01:33 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 16:18:51 2018. Police officers are allowed to do things civilians are not and for good reason. You can run from danger. Police run toward the danger. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 20:17:30 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 6 20:01:33 2018. Yes, but in the Garner case, it wasn't necessary to kill him in order to effect the arrest. It was a very minor offense, one which should have been fairly easy to handle. One sentence of ten words--"Look, this isn't the end of the world, let's go"--would have changed everything. I've talked EDP's out of jumping off the roof with language like that. You get the person to go along with you by convincing them the situation isn't that bad, not by choking the living life out of them.If I did what Pantaleo did, I'd expect to be charged with aggravated assault, at a minimum. Pantaleo got away with it because of a friendly DA. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 6 20:58:31 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 20:17:30 2018. Right. Because it was as simple as that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 6 22:01:04 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 20:17:30 2018. Nobody tried to kill him and nobody wanted to kill him. Except for Garner himself, who would have been alive longer* had he not resisted arrest. Did you watch the video? The guy was telling the cops how sick he was that they were arresting him all the time (justifiably, I might add), and when the video starts, they were already arguing for some time.*Given his abysmal health, it is unlikely, but possible, that he’d have still be alive today. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 6 22:10:36 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 19:10:07 2018. "Well then He better be on His way!"Well, we're all one day closer to Dec 25th! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 6 22:12:10 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Dec 6 17:03:57 2018. Maybe to give him a chance to resign & save his pension. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 6 22:32:14 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 6 22:12:10 2018. He shouldn't have to. He was not the cause of the man's death. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Dec 6 23:11:34 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 19:50:28 2018. LOL, Marcus Welby |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Dec 6 23:12:36 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 18:07:17 2018. LOL porky committed suicide by cop |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Dec 6 23:13:43 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 6 20:01:33 2018. Stinky hates police. He hates white police more. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 23:18:36 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 19:50:28 2018. Listen, when it comes to reality, I know more about it than you do. Stay in your lane and talk about what you know. Do you hear me talkin about EMS stuff? No you don't.You fail to want to see reality in this case. He was not asfixiate it by means of choking to death, his Airwaves closed on m-22 is Moberly obese weight. The bottom line is, he's dead and there's no bringing him back! And he caused his own fate. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 23:21:17 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 20:17:30 2018. Bad comparison, because Garner was not a psycho. He was a pain in the ass each and every time police had contact with him. And he also resisted many times as well. Like I said before, this wasn't a random contact. He knew who the cops were, the cops knew who he was, the store owners knew who he was. Sometimes you just have to say to yourself, he brought it all upon himself the world is a better place with him not in it. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 6 23:26:29 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Dec 6 23:11:34 2018. Lol |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Dec 6 23:33:10 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 20:17:30 2018. If you did what Pantaleo did, Garner would have fallen on you and crushed you to death. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Dec 7 00:19:38 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 23:21:17 2018. IDWTP |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Dec 7 00:20:02 2018, in response to Re: NYPD Officer Faces May Trial In Eric Garner Chokehold Death, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 23:18:36 2018. IDWTP |
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