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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 23:01:11 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by ClearAspect on Thu Dec 7 22:35:25 2017.

So be it!

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 23:23:37 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 22:58:13 2017.

Oui!

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Dec 7 23:25:52 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 23:01:11 2017.

Then is doesnt to call itself a democracy

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Dec 7 23:25:53 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Dec 7 20:38:34 2017.

??? How is that partisan? You do realize tgere's been republican presidents who chose not to make this move right? Btw when it comes to you complaining about someone being partisan you're one to talk.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 8 00:32:15 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 23:23:37 2017.

Non!

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Dec 8 01:21:14 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 8 00:32:15 2017.

This language game can go at least for another 20 or 30 post so I will end it here!

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Dec 8 01:22:11 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by ClearAspect on Thu Dec 7 23:25:52 2017.

It would be a Democracy to Jewish people, not Outsiders.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 8 01:25:09 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Dec 7 23:25:53 2017.

Chris has become so right wing that now G W Bush is a RINO for him.



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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 8 01:27:06 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Dec 8 01:22:11 2017.

If you disenfranchise large groups of residents you're not a democracy.


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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Dec 8 01:28:20 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 8 01:25:09 2017.

true true

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Dec 8 03:37:11 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 8 01:27:06 2017.

Like Archie Bunker would say, throw them out at a movie residence anymore! LOL

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Dec 8 03:37:46 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 8 01:27:06 2017.

Like Archie Bunker would say, throw them out and they won't be residents anymore! LOL

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 8 07:32:27 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 22:59:28 2017.

Seriously man.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Dec 8 08:09:10 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Dec 7 20:41:07 2017.

Huh? Whoever said otherwise? New York metro represents New York Metro and Los Angeles represents Los Angeles.

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Upon Further Review (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 8 09:34:02 2017, in response to Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 6 14:25:38 2017.

Trump did not say what everyone thinks he said.

When he said that he recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, he did not mean all of Jerusalem. He meant West Jerusalem, the part of the city that has been within Israel since 1947. He never said that East Jerusalem and the Old City were being recognized as part of the Israeli capital. The future status of these areas are still to be negotiated. This should come as a surprise to nobody as the Knesset has been in Jerusalem practically since Day 1.

Of course, the Palestinians want all of Jerusalem as their capital, so the smallest gesture that goes against that sets them off.

Of course, the lefty media will never be honest about what Trump really said because it doesn't fit the template.



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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 8 09:34:10 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 15:15:17 2017.

Since you explain your point, I apparently misunderstood, and I agree with it.


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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 8 09:36:16 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 13:53:15 2017.

Yes, but I was heading off those who might claim invalidity as the president never actually signed it.

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Re: Upon Further Review (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Dec 8 09:40:20 2017, in response to Upon Further Review (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 8 09:34:02 2017.

Please show us where Trump specifically says West Jerusalem in his remarks.

I think you're assuming facts not in evidence.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 8 09:43:13 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Dec 7 17:26:31 2017.

Presidents have generally opposed the bill because they see it as Congress usurping what are typically foreign relations duties taken up by POTUS in his role as head of state.

That's your evaluation. Clinton never openly opposed the bill, but he gave himself deniability by letting it become law and using the waiver. In his last weeks at President he actually hinted that he might let the law go into effect, but didn't do it.

W and Obama BOTH campaigned (rather loudly in some rallies) that they would make put our embassy in J'lem, but signed all the waivers, and never suffered politically for their lie. But they never said, on signing the waivers, that their executive right was being compromised.

Trump also campaigned on it and now has done it, and he is being widely condemned.

Guess sometimes it pays to lie.

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Re: Upon Further Review (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Dave on Fri Dec 8 09:49:54 2017, in response to Re: Upon Further Review (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Dec 8 09:40:20 2017.

IAWTP.

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Re: Upon Further Review (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 8 11:05:18 2017, in response to Re: Upon Further Review (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Dec 8 09:40:20 2017.

IAWTP. But that's better. Jerusalem is indivisible.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 8 11:12:08 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 8 09:36:16 2017.

Those who might claim invalidity sound like those people who complain that Trump lacks a "mandate" because despite being duly and legitimately elected president, he didn't win the popular vote, as if that means something.

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Re: Upon Further Review (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Dec 8 11:19:58 2017, in response to Upon Further Review (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 8 09:34:02 2017.

The Palestinians already have a somewhat ancient - per regular peoples standards - Christian city as their capital. How many do they need?

Here is the issue with what you point out. The fact that the United States can be bullied from even recognizing that even a part of Jewusalem as the capital. When I went to school, we learned about Roosevelt and his big stick and foreign policy. Apparently, we wasted our time for years in school if this really didn't exist.

I don't know how this thread has over 200 posts. I bet most of the discussion is the dumbest stuff one wille ver see on the internets.

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Re: Upon Further Review (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Dec 8 11:21:08 2017, in response to Re: Upon Further Review (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 8 11:05:18 2017.

Except for the four quarters.
Ignoring for a second that the piece partners murdered off the other 2 groups that you won't find anywhere.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Dec 8 11:30:25 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Dec 7 00:21:15 2017.

Like Obama's closest advisors have said,

"Trumps white house is being infested with Jews".

It was bound to happen

#resist
#protest
#impeach
#notmypresident
#civil war



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Re: Upon Further Review? (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 8 12:22:35 2017, in response to Upon Further Review (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Dec 8 09:34:02 2017.

When he said that he recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, he did not mean all of Jerusalem. He meant West Jerusalem

No he didn't. Don't get him mixed up with Putin and the Kremlin's recognition of West Jerusalem alone. The "Palestinians" would not have reacted the way they did if he meant West Jerusalemóthey knew Trump was not offering East Jerusalem to them. Same goes for all the other "world leaders" that were mouthing off to Trump, from Germany to France and even to Canada.

Guess you did not hear the speech, did you?

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Re: Upon Further Review? (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 8 12:23:10 2017, in response to Re: Upon Further Review (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Dec 8 11:19:58 2017.

Mitch made that up.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 8 12:24:32 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Dec 8 11:30:25 2017.

You forgot #25thamendment

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 8 14:14:00 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 8 11:12:08 2017.

The "mandate" thing was used after Reagan elections as a method to try to bully Democratic members of Congress into voting for Republican initiatives, the message basically being if you don't vote for this, you'll get voted out of office.

Obviously any attempt to try something like that this time around isn't working, since even Heidi Heitkamp doesn't see any need to vote for Republican initiatives.

What I don't understand is the laughable insanity of Republicans who don't make your argument (legitimately elected president) and instead insist that Trump won the popular vote too.



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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 9 08:31:00 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Dec 6 23:08:45 2017.

Of course Trump's motives for this action are disgraceful and highly partisan.

But this piece and this piece have pretty much convinced me that the action is not harmful, even though there was bipartisan support for not taking it.

[In before the usual chorus of "We don't care what you think."]



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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 9 11:16:15 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 9 08:31:00 2017.

Yay! You've come around to my side!

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 9 12:37:08 2017, in response to Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 6 14:25:38 2017.



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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 9 15:12:01 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 9 12:37:08 2017.

If you consider Iran an Arab country, we have naught more to discuss.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 9 16:31:44 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 9 15:12:01 2017.

Look at the map again. I don't see Iran.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 9 17:24:05 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 9 16:31:44 2017.

When did you last have your reading glasses checked?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 9 17:24:55 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 9 15:12:01 2017.

And Cyprus. :)


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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 9 17:40:59 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 9 17:24:05 2017.

Last February.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 9 17:54:55 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 9 17:24:05 2017.

You are correct. Iran is listed on the map. But I need to enlarge the font on subchat to 125%. The printing is too small to read at 100%. That's I didn't notice Iran.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 9 19:39:35 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 9 17:54:55 2017.

I donít need the labels.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Dec 10 11:40:48 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Dec 9 12:37:08 2017.

How old is this map? It doesn't have the largest illegally occpupied country in the world labelled (by Arabs), it is a blank hole. It ignores gains in Kenya, Nigeria, Chad, CAR, etc. Turkey and Afghanistan isn't there.

Don't tell me it's because they're not Arab, like Sudan or Somalia is?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Dec 10 11:41:56 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Dec 7 17:19:03 2017.

Give it a rest.

The Reform movement came out against Trumpís Jerusalem declaration, aligning itself not with Israelís left, which supports it, but the far-left Arab and anti-Zionist parties. Then they wonder why Israelis donít take them seriously.


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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump during Hannkukah

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Dec 10 11:46:44 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 00:04:33 2017.

Trump gives his characteristically good description of The Holiday.

My local newspaper, whom I have cancelled, didn't mention any of this, they went on about lighting diversity candles or some odd nonsense.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Dec 10 11:47:04 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Dec 7 20:38:34 2017.

TDS dude.

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Re: Upon Further Review? (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital)

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Dec 10 11:52:58 2017, in response to Re: Upon Further Review? (Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 8 12:23:10 2017.

Either way, I'm sure that's what some people are thinking. I'm responding to that age old (meaning since the 1990's) thought that East Jewusalem is going to be a capital of another state giving the "palestinians" an old Christian Capital and an ancient Jewish Capital for two of them. (Ramallah, whom I can't remember the original name at the moment being the former).

I browsed through some of the posts hoping that I would see someone talk about the need to separate East Jewusalem as being historically Arab.

When, in fact, the city was always majority Jewish until the cleansing between 1948/1967 which gave it it's new demographic.

Oh well, maybe next time.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Dec 10 11:54:25 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 7 06:00:55 2017.

"It is viewed as a strongly"

Which means that you would be dealing with emotions over fact. Dealing with emotions over fact is what gives us really random maps and fake history.

One needs to be cautious to give such things much thought or light.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Dec 10 11:55:49 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 14:21:34 2017.

Yea, now I know that Clinton not only helped ethnically cleanse certain lands, and that Oslo nonsense, but then had he not even signed this law, he was biased from the state.

Amazing.

Maybe he just couldn't get the pants on for the 10 days.

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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Dec 10 12:19:07 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 7 18:25:56 2017.

OK. Now imagine going through that every few months, weeks, or DAYS depending on what's going on in the Middle East in any given period. That's what living in Israel is like sometimes.

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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Dec 10 12:19:25 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 19:39:38 2017.

That's a non-answer. Try again.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Dec 10 12:21:29 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 22:26:23 2017.

You know nothing about your "rights" in Israel. You and every other non-Jew actually have plenty of rights, including freedom of worship. No upstanding Jew or Israeli would attempt to deny you that right.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Dec 10 12:22:33 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by ClearAspect on Thu Dec 7 22:35:25 2017.

DING DING DING. Israel is not an apartheid state at the moment, but ideas such as these would make it one.

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