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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 04:17:20 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 01:31:28 2017.

I already said I was mistaken. That's different than intentionally spreading a false statement. But then again on this board it's not!

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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 7 05:52:23 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 04:16:19 2017.

This is history, not religion. :)



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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 7 05:53:02 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 04:17:20 2017.

You unintentionally spread a false statement.


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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 7 05:55:20 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 04:15:23 2017.

There is a difference between "Friends" and "friends".

Not the same kind of difference as that between Polish and polish, but sometimes capitalization makes all the difference in meaning.



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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 7 06:00:55 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 01:34:10 2017.

It is viewed as a strongly pro-Israel action (whether rightly or wrongly), and therefore does reduce one's ability to be a mediator for a peace settlement.

For example, a mediator in a labor negotiation would always be incredibly careful about the words they use to describe a situation under discussion, and would not use a technically correct phrase if it would offend one side. Part of being a successful mediator is to cater to the sensitivities of both sides, whether those sensitivities are reasonable or not.

You can well argue that the US should be actively pro-Israel, but then you have to accept the loss of ability to be a successful mediator, which was ftgreene's point.


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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 7 06:01:45 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 03:17:22 2017.

They should be friends. But they shouldn't be Friends.


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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 08:13:54 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 7 06:00:55 2017.


I could live with that!

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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 08:15:05 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 7 05:55:20 2017.

One is a dumb Eastern European that is the butt of jokes, and the other one shines your shoes!

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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 08:15:36 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 7 05:53:02 2017.

Thank God you are here once again to explain it to me!

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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 08:16:24 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 7 05:52:23 2017.

You know what's funny? I knew you or the other one were going to say that! But I printed it anyway!

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 08:19:45 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 02:06:13 2017.

Who cares that it was bipartisan? Bipartisanship is overrated.

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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 08:25:03 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 03:17:22 2017.

Richard Nixon was a Friend.

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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 08:26:02 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 04:17:20 2017.

I didnít call you a liar, so why are you defending yourself against being called one?

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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 08:29:06 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 08:26:02 2017.

I didn't say you did.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 08:32:32 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Dec 7 03:49:03 2017.

The US keeping its embassy outside of Jerusalem is a tacit admission that they hope that someday Israel will cede Jerusalem. That tacit admission is now over.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 08:33:02 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 03:23:56 2017.

If you really believe that every Jew must subscribe to some monolithic thought about Israel then you are more like a bingbong liberal than a true conservative.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 08:42:16 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 08:19:45 2017.

I don't know that the law was as stupid as it was uniquely crafted for a very unique set of circumstances. Show me where another nation's capital city is claimed by multiple "nations". Of course the United States could put it's embassy in any city. It seems that our law was crafted as a diplomatic tool to bolster Israel's claim to Jerusalem and to prod the Palestinians into a lasting peace. It's not met it's goal.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 08:52:01 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 7 06:00:55 2017.

Thank you for explaining what Ft.Greene's point was. After all, his posting was so poorly crafted thot o my you were Davy enough to decipher it and make it understandable for the rest of us. You are a true asset here.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 08:53:58 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 7 06:00:55 2017.

Thank you for explaining what Ft.Greene's point was. After all, his posting was so poorly crafted that it was too difficult for the rest of us. you were savy enough to decipher it and make it understandable for the rest of us. You are a true asset here.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 09:12:36 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 08:33:02 2017.

Israel is the land of the Jews. and Jews only.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 7 09:16:33 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 08:32:32 2017.

Yep! I agree with you 100%!

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 09:36:14 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 09:12:36 2017.

So all Jews must think alike? You do realize that it's thoughts like that that fuel the anti-Semitic fever of bingbong and others.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by bingbong on Thu Dec 7 09:41:08 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 09:36:14 2017.

I'm not anti semetic. You have no proof of that. I prefer to stand clear of the issue. Having issues with individuals do not mean they apply to all.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 09:43:36 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by bingbong on Thu Dec 7 09:41:08 2017.

Yeah, you've told us that before. Can't blame you though. Them Jews all stick together.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 09:47:36 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 09:43:36 2017.

Ask her if her name is Cnicagomotorman.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 09:53:37 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 09:47:36 2017.

She was referred to in my comment so she had a right to respond.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 09:56:41 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 09:53:37 2017.

At second glance, you're right. Sorry. My bad.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 7 10:12:10 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 03:39:13 2017.

Meanwhile, the European Union thinks it's their land, especially Area C, and builds illegally on it.



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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by SLRT on Thu Dec 7 12:33:54 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 00:04:56 2017.

"signed into law"

It was not. It became law by the 10-Day Rule.* Clinton didn't sign it.

"A bill becomes law if signed by the President or if not signed within 10 days and Congress is in session."

If Congress is NOT in session it becomes a "pocket veto."

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Dec 7 13:50:35 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 00:01:17 2017.

1. Calm down.

2. Find the numerous posts where I state I believe Jerusalem is the eternal, undivided capital of Israel.

3. If you truly care about the people of Israel and Jerusalem, you would realize they are not political pawns for you to play with.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 13:52:07 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 08:42:16 2017.

East Berlin was officially under allied occupation. The United States did not recognize East German sovereignty over the Soviet sector of Berlin, but nevertheless opened its embassy there when the US established relations with the GDR.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Dec 7 13:52:25 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 03:23:56 2017.

You're missing the point. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Why are you throwing a match into a pool of gasoline to make that point?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 13:53:15 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by SLRT on Thu Dec 7 12:33:54 2017.

While "signed into law" is not technically true here, it has the same practical effect. The same would be true had Clinton vetoed it and Congress overrode the veto.

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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Dec 7 13:56:01 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 00:04:33 2017.

Nope and nope. Trump cares about himself and stoking culture wars. Inciting Palestinian violence fits in to his worldview that Muslims are savage extremists who are an inherent threat to the United States and its allies. If Trump was such a good friend of Israel, why is Jared Kushner pushing the same BS that the Obama administration (among others) pushed that solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will bring peace to the entire Middle East? If Trump was such a good friend of the Jews, why did he make this proclamation in a room with Christmas decorations and Mike Pence standing behind him? CUFI supporters don't support the same "I" that the Jews do. When will you realize that?

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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 7 13:58:30 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Dec 7 13:56:01 2017.

Excellent points.

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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 14:02:12 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 7 13:58:30 2017.

I agree, although I still support this move even if I disagree with the motivations.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 14:13:57 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Dec 7 13:50:35 2017.

Then why are you criticizing President Trump instead of thanking him?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 14:14:51 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Dec 7 13:52:25 2017.

You're welcome.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 14:21:34 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by SLRT on Thu Dec 7 12:33:54 2017.

Interesting. I did not know that Clinton didn't sign it.

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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 14:23:22 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Dec 7 13:56:01 2017.

While Trump is not perfect, for instance I don't appreciate him telling Netanyahu to not build settlements in Judea and Samaria, and he states that is going to broker some kind of deal. There are no deals to be made. But he is the only United States president to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. And it's December, of course there are Christmas decorations.

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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 14:28:28 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 14:23:22 2017.

Right now I am watching a live press conference with World War 2 veterans commemorating Pearl Harbor day with Christmas decorations in the background. Got a problem with that too?

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Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 14:29:23 2017, in response to Re: G-d bless President Donald John Trump, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 14:02:12 2017.

What motivations?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Dec 7 14:33:15 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 14:13:57 2017.

Did you read his Point #3? From reading his posts over the years dealing with his experience of actually living in Israel, Oren believes that Jerusalem as the capital is non-negotiable, but you don't go into a negotiation stating what your non-negotiable points are.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 14:35:19 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Dec 7 14:33:15 2017.

Again, there is nothing to negotiate.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 14:39:28 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Dec 7 14:33:15 2017.

The REAL point is that after more than 20 years of holding up the move, the middle East is no closer to peace today. No one has yet explained why where this country places it's embassy in Israel should have any effect on peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Dec 7 14:39:49 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Dec 7 14:33:15 2017.

The REAL point is that after more than 20 years of holding up the move, the middle East is no closer to peace today. No one has yet explained why where this country places it's embassy in Israel should have any effect on peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 14:40:05 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 00:29:02 2017.

Perhaps we should move our embassy to the Vatican to Avignon.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 14:42:25 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 7 14:40:05 2017.

?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Dec 7 14:48:34 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 14:35:19 2017.

I agree that there has been nothing shown by the "Palestinians" that they have any desire to negotiate a solution and/or follow any accepted agreement. Israel has offered well more than it should only to be spat in its face by everybody.

The problem Israel faces is that the "Palestinian" community is growing at a faster rate than the Israeli community. At some point, to maintain a Jewish majority of the electorate, Israel will need to strip them of their rights including the right to vote. Problem is that then makes Israel doing everything that, as Jews, we faced in other countries.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 7 14:51:10 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Dec 7 14:48:34 2017.

"Israel will need to strip them of their rights including the right to vote." Exactly, and deport all of them too. BTW, I didn't know you were also Jewish?

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