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Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 6 14:25:38 2017

Check your favorite news source.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 14:44:24 2017, in response to Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 6 14:25:38 2017.

Do you think any Marine or diplomat assigned to our embassy in Jerusalem, will be safe?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 6 14:49:46 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 14:44:24 2017.

It's not clear when the embassy will ever move. And yes, of course they can be safe. Marines guarding the embassy in Iraq and Afghanistan have been safe. That's not a reason for not moving the embassy, though there very well may be others.


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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 6 14:52:05 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 14:44:24 2017.

So you think that Jerusalem is unsafe?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 14:54:03 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 6 14:49:46 2017.

I don't think it will be long before the embassy moves, and as for the workplace safety of people assigned to it, vs. Iraq and Afghanistan, in Jerusalem there will be many more, and varied threats against it, than in either of the other two countries.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 6 14:56:04 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 14:54:03 2017.

LOL!

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 14:56:06 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 6 14:52:05 2017.

I think the combination of recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital, and moving our embassy there, will be seen as an incendiary move by many. I get the very strong impression that "safe" isn't a word I would use to describe working conditions at a Jerusalem US embassy.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 6 14:57:16 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 14:56:06 2017.

I find that ignorant and offensive.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 6 15:06:29 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 14:54:03 2017.

I don't think it will be long before the embassy moves

The Times says White House officials say it will take several years.

Acting President Pence may have a different view, if Trump's covfefe condition continues to worsen.



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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 6 15:30:51 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 14:54:03 2017.

Estimates are the move will take 3 - 4 years.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 15:40:14 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 6 14:57:16 2017.

Why?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 6 15:41:23 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 15:40:14 2017.

You seem to think that Jerusalem is about as dangerous as Benghazi, and as it is not, you make such pronouncements out of ignorance.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 16:01:35 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 6 15:41:23 2017.

Trump has managed to piss off over a billion people with his sudden policy shift today. I'm not saying Jerusalem itself, as a city, is unsafe, I'm saying a U.S. embassy there would be an especially attractive target, more so than our embassies in other contested or troubled places.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Dec 6 16:02:13 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 14:44:24 2017.

I see just being stupid wasn't enough for you.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 6 16:05:23 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 16:01:35 2017.

OH NO YOU DI-IN'T!!

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Dec 6 16:27:51 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 6 14:57:16 2017.

Me too.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Dec 6 16:28:30 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 16:01:35 2017.

Bring it on.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Dec 6 16:28:47 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 6 16:05:23 2017.

Oh yes he did.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 16:35:48 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 6 16:05:23 2017.

"Di-int" what?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 16:52:37 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 14:54:03 2017.

Should that be the criteria by which we decide where to put an embassy or how to conduct our foreign policy? It's your mentality why some Muslims are calling for a "day of rage". Is that how you conduct your life?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 16:55:46 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 16:01:35 2017.

You can join the protests against American Foreign policy as it relates to Israel. The Palestinians are recruiting rock throwers.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 16:58:41 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 16:52:37 2017.

Considering that Trump is undoing 70 years of foreign policy, it's reasonable to assume there might be adverse effects to a decision that doesn't appear to be carefully thought out.

Muslims or Palestinians aside, realpolitik means considering what might happen if certain actions are carried out. I think Trump is playing to his evangelical base here at home, instead of any real concern for Israel's affairs of state.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 17:00:05 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 16:55:46 2017.

Where did I say anything about siding with Palestinians?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 17:06:05 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 17:00:05 2017.

Your lack of support for US law speaks volumes. The law recognizing Jerusalem as the Capitol of Israel has been on the books for over 20 years. You apparently support not following US law because the Palestinians will thtow rocks.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 17:09:01 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 16:58:41 2017.

PRESIDENT TRUMP, was elected on a platform that included moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, the Capitol of Israel. He is fulfilling a campaign promise which reflects the Will of the People.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 6 17:11:01 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 17:09:01 2017.

LOL. Here you have been chiding bingbong for her minor punctuation errors, and you call Jerusalem the Capitol of Israel.




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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 17:13:23 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 17:06:05 2017.

No, I'm saying this sudden policy change should have been considered, and implemented more carefully, for the sake of ALL sides involved, something you can't seem to grasp.



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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 17:14:53 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 17:09:01 2017.

The Will of the People, as expressed by millions of popular votes, was that Hillary be President.


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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 17:20:37 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 17:14:53 2017.

Was it the 4 Tops that sang "It's The Same Old Song"?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 17:23:13 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 6 17:11:01 2017.

No, actually the point was that her comprehension of the Conyers resignation was worse than her punctuation. Why am I not surprised that you missed the point again?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 17:26:35 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 17:13:23 2017.

It's either Jerusalem or not Jerusalem. Do you really think building an embassy half way makes sense? Fact is that over 20 years of diplomacy has yielded no peace. Explain to me how further delay in implementing the law will change things.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 17:31:35 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 17:26:35 2017.

Given the ongoing and historical volatility of this subject, don't you think it would have been prudent to allow a measured, bilateral negotiation process to work out the issues, instead of summarily making a change that is almost universally understood to be inflamm

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 17:31:51 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 17:26:35 2017.

Given the ongoing and historical volatility of this subject, don't you think it would have been prudent to allow a measured, bilateral negotiation process to work out the issues, instead of summarily making a change that is almost universally understood to be inflammatory?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 17:33:12 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 17:26:35 2017.

PS, U.S. law does not determine the actual capital city of another country. The government of said country does that.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Dec 6 17:41:02 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 17:31:35 2017.

There is nothing to negotiate. Israel says their capital is Jerusalem, then it's Jerusalem.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Dec 6 17:41:29 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 17:33:12 2017.

Jerusalem.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 17:42:55 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 17:31:35 2017.

No. 20+ years hasn't changed anything. Prove to me that another 5 years will.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 17:46:57 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 17:33:12 2017.

The US law recognizes that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and authorizes the establishment of the US Embassy there.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 18:07:39 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 17:42:55 2017.

No, why don't you prove to me that upending the peace process is a good idea.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 18:09:06 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 17:46:57 2017.

Yes, but presidents from both parties haven't established an embassy there. Can you tell me why that might be the case?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Dec 6 18:11:01 2017, in response to Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 6 14:25:38 2017.

About f--ken time!! If Israel considers Jerusalem their capital it IS their capital, period. The capital of any country is what that country says is their capital. Common sense.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 18:11:23 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 17:33:12 2017.

The US law recognizes that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and authorizes the establishment of the US Embassy there.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 18:13:03 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 18:07:39 2017.

I just did. If you don't want to accept it, well you'll get over it - or you won't. I don't care.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Dec 6 18:14:10 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 18:09:06 2017.

Ask them. All I know is that their way has netted nothing. Get over it.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 6 19:22:31 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 16:35:48 2017.

Say offensive things!

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 6 19:30:34 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 17:14:53 2017.

The Electoral College represents the will of the people.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Dec 6 19:43:46 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Dec 6 18:11:01 2017.

If a President has to actively sign a waiver to ignore this fact, doesn't that mean that the last president had to sit down and sign (or robosign?) a document 16 times to ignore this?

Seems easier to just declare that we recognize a country the international community has since at least 1948.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 20:04:17 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 6 19:22:31 2017.

What was "offensive" about my opinion?

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 20:05:32 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 6 19:30:34 2017.

No, the EC represents the will of the electors.

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Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 6 20:19:45 2017, in response to Re: Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 6 20:04:17 2017.

Yes!

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