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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 09:50:38 2015, in response to Kentucky County Clerk, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 2 09:46:24 2015. I don’t know how one becomes a county clerk in Kentucky, but when she took the job the job requirements were not contrary to the tenets of her faith. Now her responsibilities have been changed to include things she cannot do. I don’t think she should just quit with no recourse. And I am someone who has little tolerance for government officials imposing their religion on others. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 2 09:57:09 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 09:50:38 2015. But this pious, holier-than-thou woman has been married four times, with two children out of wedlock. I guess, for her, God's law only applies to us gays. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 09:59:25 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 09:50:38 2015. It's an elected position. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 09:59:54 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 2 09:57:09 2015. Stop confusing the issue with facts! |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Sep 2 10:08:04 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 09:50:38 2015. "And I am someone who has little tolerance for government officials imposing their religion on others.I don't know about that. Every year I have to fight with my bosses at the post office to get the Jewish Holidays off. Last year I put in for Shavouos, got denied, called sick and stayed home (actually went to Shul), and got charged with AWOL. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 10:14:06 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Sep 2 10:08:04 2015. Have the union file a grievance. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 2 10:15:47 2015, in response to Kentucky County Clerk, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 2 09:46:24 2015. Exactly. It is not like the law says she is the only clerk whose name is required to be on marriage licenses in the state and everyone else is exempt. If the job description has changed in a way that is legal but she is uncomfortable she should quit |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 2 10:16:25 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Sep 2 10:08:04 2015. I thought you are retired? |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 10:18:03 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 09:59:25 2015. Given that I agree that she should resign immediately. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 2 10:19:04 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 2 10:16:25 2015. He is retired NYPD now working for the Post Office |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Sep 2 10:23:41 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 2 10:16:25 2015. SMH. Please try to keep up. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Sep 2 10:23:58 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Sep 2 10:08:04 2015. That sounds so wrong. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Sep 2 10:24:20 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 2 09:57:09 2015. If true, then LOL. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 2 10:32:50 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 2 10:19:04 2015. Oh OK. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 2 10:40:51 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Sep 2 10:24:20 2015. It's true.She's been married four times... and she had twins out of wedlock on top of that. She's very selective about her religious morals. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 10:52:28 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 2 10:15:47 2015. Yes, that is the law. The clerk of the county signs the license and the couple to be wedded must obtain the license in the county where they want to be wed.Now why the couple couldn't be wedded in a neighboring county and then continue the law suit is a different question. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 10:55:02 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 2 10:40:51 2015. Most people are. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. It is here, though. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 2 11:01:40 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 10:52:28 2015. You would have a standing/mootness issue and much like the Liberty Counsel defending the Clerk, the ACLU representing the Plaintiffs are trying to milk this case for $$$$ |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 2 11:25:57 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Sep 2 10:08:04 2015. The difference between you and the Kentucky County Clerk is that you have collegaues who can perform your functions. If you don't deliver mail on Shavouos, your employer has a whole bunch of other people to choose from to provide that service. On the other hand, if this clerk won't perform a marriage, no one else in the county performs the same role. There's no assistant or substitute county clerk to do it. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 11:33:59 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 2 11:01:40 2015. Not necessarily a standing/mootness issue since the couple was forced to go to a neighboring county to receive a marriage license. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Sep 2 13:33:57 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 2 10:40:51 2015. Thanks. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 2 14:26:41 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 09:50:38 2015. I disagree with the "cannot" do characterization. There are now tasks she *refuses* to do. She should resign, and find something else to do. To refuse to fulfill her duties as an elected official is the pinnacle of unprofessional. Her job is not soleminizing unions, it is handling paperwork. She does not "endorse" anything. She enables people to fulfill the legal requirements behind important transactions that effect their lives. If she isn't going to do that, then they need someone else that will. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 2 14:44:44 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 2 14:26:41 2015. IAWTP. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Sep 2 15:20:05 2015, in response to Kentucky County Clerk, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 2 09:46:24 2015. I respect her views, but the fact that same-sex marriage is now legal... If her religious beliefs prevent her from doing her job... Sounds like she's now unfit for duty, and needs to resign. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Sep 2 15:23:25 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 2 10:15:47 2015. Agreed, but I think she's saying that since it's against her religion... Her name cannot be on any license being issued to a same-sex couple. It took it to mean that even her staff cannot issue one because she's still the clerk. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Sep 2 15:56:38 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 2 10:40:51 2015. To be fair, her twins were conceived during her first marriage. Also you cannot use The NY Post as a valid source. Bingbong says so. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 2 16:11:13 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Sep 2 15:56:38 2015. Rad about her four marriages in the Times. Been reported all over. |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Sep 2 16:12:22 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 2 16:11:13 2015. Rad? Radioactive? |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Sep 2 16:26:23 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 2 16:11:13 2015. She's been married 4 times! She had two children born out of wedlock! AND She's also a democrat |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Sep 2 16:32:24 2015, in response to Kentucky County Clerk, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 2 09:46:24 2015. I'm having a lot of trouble taking this issue seriously. Yeah we can make all the jokes and snide remarks about her seemingly loose morals and her frequent wedding miles but explain this to me. What happens when she goes on vacation? What happens if she goes for surgery? Is there no one who can act in her place or do all marriages stop in that particular county? It seems simple enough that when she is unable to perform her duties due to her religious beliefs, the same person who would perform her duties when she is on vacation or when she is sick, could do perform her duties and sign the license. END OF DRAMA. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 16:35:25 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Sep 2 16:32:24 2015. If it's anything like with county clerks in New York, she doesn't personally sign the papers, but staffers affix a copy of her signature to documents, which is legally equivalent to her own signature as County Clerk. She personally opposes her signature being used to legitimize a same-sex marriage. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 2 17:41:35 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Sep 2 16:26:23 2015. None of that really matters. What does matter is the fact that she's not doing her job. Since she's *refusing* to do her job, she should resign. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 2 17:57:13 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 2 17:41:35 2015. Why would you care? You hate people from the south. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 2 17:58:27 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 16:35:25 2015. Funny thing is, from my understanding of it, the clerk is endorsing that the two parties are identified and legally qualified (as in not married to someone else, of age, etc.) to be married. Until there are witness signatures on the license, there is no marriage. Clerks do not routinely solemnize marriages, although they can legally. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 2 18:03:25 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 2 17:57:13 2015. I care about rights. Even for people in the south, who I do not hate. What bothers me are two basic things....looking for anyone to pay their bills but themselves while turning around and poaching jobs from the locations where the workers are paying their way effectively, and compromising the rights of citizens, as well as seeking to impose their oppression on us all. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Sep 2 18:14:39 2015, in response to Kentucky County Clerk, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 2 09:46:24 2015. She's doing this to make money, it's very simple. She will do this to the nth degree,Step 1: be found in contempt, Step 2: pay a high fine, Step 3: resign Step 4: Open a Go Fund Me Plage Step 5: Profit Step 6: Write a book and go on tour talking about her plight and make even more profit |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 2 18:17:55 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Sep 2 18:14:39 2015. I wouldn't doubt it. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Sep 2 18:21:59 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 16:35:25 2015. Lots of assumptions there. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 2 18:33:03 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 2 18:03:25 2015. Do I agree with what she is doing? No. Unfortunately because of the activist liberal judges on the Supreme Court, it is the law. But I do have to respect her integrity. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 2 18:42:14 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 2 18:33:03 2015. Unfortunately because of the activist liberal judges on the Supreme Court, it is the lawNo, because judges do not have the power to legislate from the bench. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 19:07:53 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Sep 2 18:21:59 2015. Only one assumption: That the functions of Kentucky's County Clerks are executed in like manner to those of New York's County Clerks.But you made a much more unreasonable assumption: That the County Clerk of a county with thousands of people actually personally signs most documents. |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 2 19:08:30 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 2 18:42:14 2015. I agree, but they already did. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 19:10:21 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 2 17:57:13 2015. Kentucky was a Union state. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 2 19:11:44 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 19:10:21 2015. Yes it was, but it is still part of the South. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 19:12:55 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 2 18:33:03 2015. How is it integrity to impose her religion on others, to fail to execute her duties as a servant of the people, and to deny to the people of her county their Constitutional rights? |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 2 19:18:40 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 19:12:55 2015. +1 |
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 2 19:41:47 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 19:12:55 2015. Proof that you disrespect religion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 19:49:00 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 2 19:41:47 2015. Yes, I completely disrespect this hypocrite's religion. Furthermore, I disrespect any religion which causes the Constitutional rights of Americans to be violated. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 19:49:47 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky County Clerk, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 2 19:41:47 2015. Bravo chicagomotorman, the last horse finally crosses the finish line. |
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