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How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 10 16:11:18 2014 http://www.sheepsheadbites.com/2014/11/commute-meaningfully-improve-traffic-safety-part-1-2/"> Sheepsheadbites Blog |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 10 16:15:37 2014, in response to How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 10 16:11:18 2014. Someone already reported on SubChat that his friend was issued a summons for doing 30 MPH under the new law, the first day it went into effect. So much for a 10 MPH grace allowance.Hearsay. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 10 20:22:03 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 10 16:15:37 2014. Hearsay.I'd be more willing to believe that a 10 mph allowance was hearsay than a ticket for 5 mph over was hearsay. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 10 20:23:18 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 10 20:22:03 2014. Huh? Regardless of whether it's credible, it's still hearsay. |
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Posted by Petabread2 on Mon Nov 10 22:30:56 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 10 20:23:18 2014. It's true, and not to mention the 10 miles grace is a falsified grace. A friend of mine who is a cop has said that technically, one mile over the limit is enough for a ticket. Some cops are going to give you grace others will not. Usually you can fight tickets that are so low above the limit. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 10 22:35:42 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by Petabread2 on Mon Nov 10 22:30:56 2014. Again, "Regardless of whether it's credible [or true], it's still hearsay." |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 16 11:28:02 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 10 20:23:18 2014. So you want to hear it direct from Petabread2's friend? I didn't realize that Subchat was a court of law. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 16 11:31:17 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 16 11:28:02 2014. Yeah, pretty much. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Nov 16 16:27:02 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 16 11:28:02 2014. Yes, there's a lot about SubChat.com that you don't know/realize. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 17 08:40:14 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 16 11:28:02 2014. I just realized.Who said anything about SubChat? I was complaining about your use of the information in your column. It shows poor use of sources. SubChat is not an acceptable source, especially not SubChat hearsay. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Nov 17 09:03:14 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by Petabread2 on Mon Nov 10 22:30:56 2014. What if you're getting brighted and honked at by some huge 18 wheeler? Can you argue that the 25 mph limit in some instances hampers the flow of traffic and actually endangers motorists? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 17 09:18:21 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by Petabread2 on Mon Nov 10 22:30:56 2014. Technically they can of course, but they rarely do. I know many cops, and they say they rarely if ever bother with "10 mph over" tickets. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 17 09:47:55 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 17 09:18:21 2014. The flip side of that can be school zones though. For example, if the school zone is 15 mph and you go through at 25mph, technically you are going almost double the speed limit. Fines and points are also higher for school zone tickets. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 17 10:52:32 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Nov 17 09:03:14 2014. Or rather it's the 18-wheeler that's tailgating you that's endangering motorists. |
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Posted by rkba on Mon Nov 17 11:12:12 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 17 09:47:55 2014. the whole "school zone" thing is a scam downstate. up here (in the land of NO red light cameras and NO school zone cameras), the "school zone" speed limit is only in effect from 7-9a and 2-4p. you know, the times that the kids are walking around because they're going to school and going home from school.when I was still on the island, I remember the school thing being from 7a-6p. what a bunch of bullshit...why the fuck are the kids walking around the neighborhood at 1 in the afternoon? |
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Posted by rkba on Mon Nov 17 11:17:11 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 17 09:18:21 2014. the reason they don't bother is because if you just wait another fifteen minutes, you'll have someone doing 90mph (in a 55mph, for example...) |
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Posted by rkba on Mon Nov 17 11:19:48 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by Petabread2 on Mon Nov 10 22:30:56 2014. writing someone for 1mph over the limit is the hallmark of a real dick, a hwy guy, or a southern cop. one could argue that the last two groups fall under the "dick" category. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 17 11:27:53 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by rkba on Mon Nov 17 11:12:12 2014. Open campus? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 17 11:50:21 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by rkba on Mon Nov 17 11:12:12 2014. It has nothing to do with cameras, as that is a relatively new thing, and they are far from all over. I have no problem with the school zones during school days, as kids do come and go during the day, and after school activities, etc. So if a "7-7" zone was in effect, I don't see a problem with it. But it should only be in effect school days.That said, some zones have flashing lights on the sign when it's in effect. If those lights are off, can you still get a ticket? Also, if there is no sign that says "on school days", or gives a time, can you get a ticket at let's say "2:00 PM on a Saturday".....or let's say 1:00AM in the middle of the night? Most school zones don't post a time, and many don't have the flashing lights either. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 17 11:56:45 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by rkba on Mon Nov 17 11:19:48 2014. Well that certainly goes both ways too. I know a few cops, and the one I talked to about it said that it also depends on the attitude of the person getting pulled over. For example, if he pulls someone over for something else, and the person is a total asshole, he'll just give him every ticket that can be written. For example, if someone's headlight is out, he may have just pulled the guy over with the intention of a warning so he gets it fixed, but if the guy pulled over is a dick, he'll give him the speeding ticket (let's say 10 over), the headlight out, the no seatbelt, and the whole 9 yards. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Nov 17 12:52:35 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 17 08:40:14 2014. Agreed. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Nov 17 12:54:38 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Nov 17 09:03:14 2014. Irrelevant since the 18 wheeler that brighted and honked at you was annoyed that you were driving 25 MPH with your cruise control on in a 40 MPH zone. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 17 13:02:16 2014, in response to How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 10 16:11:18 2014. Final Part |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 17 13:08:46 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by rkba on Mon Nov 17 11:12:12 2014. Yesterday there was a piece on TV where residents in Nassau County were protesting a 20 mph school zone on the LIE service road where the speed abruptly drops from 40 to 20 mph with a hidden camera behind trees. Since most everyone goes 50 on a service road anyway where there aren't any pedestrians and perhaps no parked cars, it is not even possible to slow down in time unless you already know exactly where the camera is. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 17 13:09:58 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by rkba on Mon Nov 17 11:17:11 2014. And those are the ones who should have their licenses suspended. A summons woud be inadequate punishment. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 17 13:10:57 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Nov 16 16:27:02 2014. Yes, your honor. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 17 13:11:44 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 17 08:40:14 2014. Well then I guess I can disregard anything you say. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Nov 17 13:12:29 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by Petabread2 on Mon Nov 10 22:30:56 2014. Conversely, I know of an officer on highway patrol in an area of upstate NY where the speed limit varies from 50 to 55, who does not even think of pulling anyone over who is going under 75 (unless there are other factors, such as an issue with headlights/taillights, seat belt not on, etc). |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Nov 17 13:14:02 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 17 13:11:44 2014. Why? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Nov 17 13:52:44 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 17 09:18:21 2014. Unless they were on a specific radar detail and the brass was up their ass for summonses! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 17 13:59:38 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 17 11:50:21 2014. That said, some zones have flashing lights on the sign when it's in effect. If those lights are off, can you still get a ticket?If there is no sign with times and the beacon isn't flashing, technically the school zone speed limit is not in effect. Also, if there is no sign that says "on school days", or gives a time, can you get a ticket at let's say "2:00 PM on a Saturday".....or let's say 1:00AM in the middle of the night? Most school zones don't post a time, and many don't have the flashing lights either. Nope, only school days between 7:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Nov 17 16:49:53 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 17 13:59:38 2014. Thanks....I was always confused by that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 17 18:12:24 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 17 13:11:44 2014. No. But you should disregard any hearsay I post. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Mon Nov 17 19:35:32 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 17 13:02:16 2014. You're right NYC traffic markings and practices are crazy and they confuse drivers all the time. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 17 19:53:17 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 17 13:02:16 2014. There's some heavy flaws, but this is a sheepshead bites blog, so its par for the course. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Nov 17 20:14:02 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 17 19:53:17 2014. NICE. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 17 20:25:06 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Nov 17 20:14:02 2014. Take it to BusChat. :-) |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Nov 17 20:38:04 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 17 13:11:44 2014. Well to be fair anyone who would consider themselves an advocate for mass transit has probably disregarded your pro-automobile rants for a long time now. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 18 08:55:37 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by WillD on Mon Nov 17 20:38:04 2014. There is absolutely no conflict between being a mass transit advocate and also being fair to those who drive. It is naive to believe if you are for one you must be against the other because not every trip lends itself well to mass transit.Mass transit which only works when you have certain required densities. There are many trips which are more suited to driving. Cars are not the enemy. Ignorance is. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 18 08:57:13 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 17 19:53:17 2014. Okay so what are they? You don't just accuse and then drop it there. But that is par for you. |
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Posted by rkba on Tue Nov 18 10:48:43 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 17 11:56:45 2014. absolutely correct, I overlooked that half of the equation. just stopping someone (and putting yourself at risk) for single digits over the limit is just nonsense. |
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Posted by rkba on Tue Nov 18 10:50:05 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 17 11:27:53 2014. the concept of an open campus was rapidly disappearing when I was last there and that was quite a time ago. |
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Posted by rkba on Tue Nov 18 10:51:23 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 17 11:50:21 2014. according to the vtl, the "school zone time" is 7a-6p school days, although towns can set narrower times within that range. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 18 11:41:15 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 18 08:55:37 2014. The individual car's basic problem is that it occupies 87.5 sq ft per person. Mass transit requires around 7 sq ft per person. The problem is that land has become too expensive to dedicate very much to such a spatially inefficient transportation mode. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 18 11:49:12 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 18 08:57:13 2014. You admitted yourself once that you didn't consider it necessary to fact check your own sources. The reality is your blog has no credibility among people with basic logical reasoning skills. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 18 11:49:23 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 17 19:53:17 2014. Good post! |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Nov 18 12:55:06 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 18 11:49:12 2014. Excellent post. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 18 17:46:37 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 18 11:41:15 2014. May I remind you that mass transit cannot be used for every type of trip. When I go to the supermarket, I buy $100 of food at a time that I transport in my car. If I used mass transit, I would have to go three times as often. Who are you to tell me how I must live my life?People must have freedom of choice. Also tell me how you fare the next time you need to carry a piece of lumber on the bus or were you the one in that TV commercial last year lugging a six foot Christmas tree on the subway? |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Nov 18 17:48:19 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 18 08:57:13 2014. For instance your post talks about the buses, local bus routes BY LAW have to do 5 miles below the posted speed limit, so even though the speed limit was 30, buses were already doing 25. Now with the speed limit at 25, they will keep the limit at 25 and not reduce it so the speed limit for buses has not decreased. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 18 17:50:27 2014, in response to Re: How to Meaningfully Improve Traffic Safety, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 18 11:49:12 2014. It has no credibility among people like yourself who are so sure they are correct they close their ears when anyone says something they do not want to believe.If you believe some facts are not correct, state what they are. Alleging that the blog is incorrect without any substantiation as you are doing has no merit at all to anyone with basic logical reasoning skills. |
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