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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:20:55 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 21 16:15:39 2014. Argumentum ad populum. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 21 16:21:25 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:18:05 2014. The promotion of ideas is not exclusive to religion.Nor is the promotion of ideas in an obnoxious or heavy-handed manner. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:21:49 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:18:05 2014. Of course, but this isn't a political movement. It became a "religion" once they began proselytizing their BELIEFS in no deity. They are not indifferent here, they have crossed over, and they are organized, and promoting their beliefs. That is NO different in the nut on the corner screaming "Behold the Lord". |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 21 16:22:15 2014, in response to "I didn't know you were Jewish"?, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 20 11:32:37 2014. Yes...Luchie....some Christians out there do wear both the cross and the Star of David....nothing wrong with that. It's a personal preference. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 21 16:24:35 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 20 17:18:15 2014. Maybe they think you're an idiot for not having an open mind. I mean Jesus was born a Jew and there is nothing wrong with that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:26:48 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:17:49 2014. If not, there's no need to promote anything. They are a member of a movement promoting something.And? That doesn't make it a religion. It's not political. If they don't believe in religion, that's great, but they are still promoting a stance here, and they makes them far from indifferent. They are proselytizing their beliefs, WHICH is no different than anyone else proselytizing their beliefs, which happen to be religious beliefs. This is not to say I believe the religious more than the athiests, but once they begin proselytizing their beliefs, they have become more than just non-believers, they are believers in their own "religion" which is the absence of a deity. Why would their "proselytizing" as you call it make them a religion by itself? If they believed all of the same things but failed to share or promote such belief would that make them not a religion? Does your definition of religion hinge on whether someone wants to share their religion? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 21 16:28:13 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 20 13:18:00 2014. "Rego Parkistan "Does diversity really kill your senses? eh? when will you let go of your bigotry? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 21 16:29:28 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 20 16:56:13 2014. ".........because it's a stupid reason to wear a Star of David."REMEMBER RECENTLY YOU SAID YOU WERE WHITE TRASH SOCIALLY...WELL THIS IS THE REASON WHY. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 21 16:30:54 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 20 16:56:13 2014. ".........because it's a stupid reason to wear a Star of David."REMEMBER RECENTLY YOU SAID YOU WERE WHITE TRASH SOCIALLY...WELL THIS IS THE REASON WHY. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:32:42 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:21:49 2014. But people promote their non-religious beliefs in various ways similar to the ways religions promote themselves. If that nut on the corner were complaining about Barack Obama but never once mentioned God, how would that be different? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 21 16:33:53 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 20 16:56:13 2014. "the same people who troll Olog-hai for saying he's Jewish find nothing wrong with a Christian wearing a Star of David"At some point he did mention that he did have Jewish ancestors and that his mother was Irish or Scot/Irish. Nothing wrong with that. This is America....diversity wins! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:35:17 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:26:48 2014. Religion doesn't hinge on whether they want to share it, but the act of sharing it shows it's more than just a disbelief of other religions. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:36:27 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:32:42 2014. It's different just as a guy promoting Barack Obama on the corner is different than a guy promoting his "lord and savior" on the corner. The first guy is not promoting a religion. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 21 16:37:57 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Jul 21 07:18:01 2014. Did you feed the baby today? |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 21 17:22:01 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:13:27 2014. This billboard is promoting something. Is it religious? No. Is it promoting an idea? Yes. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jul 21 17:37:41 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 21 17:22:01 2014. No....not religious at all. Its also not talking about anything remotely religious.Don't get me wrong....I am the last one to push religion and have no patience for religious fanatics.....jehovahs witness are very sorry they ever came to the he door for example....but some atheists are doing everything a religion does to proclaim... |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 21 17:41:14 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jul 21 17:37:41 2014. I get the impression vocal atheists are doing this as a counter to religious proselytizers. Essentially they decided not to sit back and be quiet. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 17:47:46 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 21 15:28:13 2014. Atheists are angry. Agnostics aren't.AlM!!!!!!!!!! Looking at what you're up against this Friday, I wouldn't be worrying about God. Who knows? You may find yourself praying in a cold sweat in a few days. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 21 17:48:18 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jul 21 17:37:41 2014. I think it's more pushback on the part of some vocal atheists rather than proselytizing. There's no mission to convert the religious to atheists as there is vice versa.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 17:49:56 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 21 16:28:13 2014. Does diversity really kill your senses? eh? when will you let go of your bigotry?Calling it Rego Parkistan communicates the diversity. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jul 21 17:59:47 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 17:49:56 2014. Is there a large Pakistani population in Rego Park? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 21 18:03:17 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 17:47:46 2014. "Atheists are angry."They are angry when their rights are violated. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 18:03:58 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Dave on Mon Jul 21 17:59:47 2014. LOL!!!Dave, AlM is flying on Friday and he doesn't believe in God. What will he do? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jul 21 18:04:57 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 21 17:41:14 2014. Well then they are partaking in religion. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jul 21 18:06:00 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 21 17:48:18 2014. Well....they crossed over once they began preaching their position of non belief in a deity |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jul 21 18:10:12 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 18:03:58 2014. No, I was serious, Luch. I have no idea what the demographics are there. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 21 18:10:44 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 17:49:56 2014. "Calling it Rego Parkistan communicates the diversity."So what do they call Dyker Heights, Midwood, Bensonhurst and Sunset Park these days? eh? "Calling it Rego Parkistan communicates the diversity." OK...so what did they call it before they showed up? eh? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 21 18:13:58 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Dave on Mon Jul 21 18:10:12 2014. "No, I was serious, Luch. I have no idea what the demographics are there. "Rego Park, Queens, NY has a mixture of all sorts of people. He is referring to people from some of the former Soviet republics that have moved into the area over the past few years. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 21 18:29:08 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jul 21 18:06:00 2014. Actually one of the definitions of proselytize is to "advocate or promote (a belief or course of action)". So any billboard could be called proselytizing as could any tv commercial. That doesn't make atheism a religion but they would be proselytizing when they advertise like that billboard did.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 18:36:03 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 21 18:13:58 2014. LOLSummit or Shut The Fuck Up!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 21 18:41:19 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 18:03:58 2014. ??? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 21 18:47:33 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jul 21 18:04:57 2014. Not necessarily, unless you count debunking religion to be religion. If you post billboards saying something is a fraud, does that mean you're doing something fraudulent? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 19:24:50 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:35:17 2014. I disagree. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 19:30:07 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 21 17:48:18 2014. I disagree. There are some atheists who actually want to convert people to atheism. They are a minority. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 21 20:16:01 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 18:36:03 2014. "Summit or Shut The Fuck Up!!!!!!!!!"Freedom of Speech does not require in your face attitudes..... |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jul 21 21:49:25 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 21 18:13:58 2014. Thanks. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jul 21 23:26:03 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 21 18:47:33 2014. No....but just the need to do such shows organization to proclaim their beliefs against a dirty. No different than proclaiming a deity. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jul 21 23:27:48 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 21 18:29:08 2014. Yes bu this is proclaiming their belief in a non deity. No different than proclaiming a deity. Its not like its a politician or political msg. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 23:40:33 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jul 21 23:27:48 2014. It's proclaiming their non-belief in a deity. There is a difference. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 22 01:57:02 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jul 21 23:26:03 2014. Not very different than proclaiming any belief, really. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 22 02:04:05 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 22 01:57:02 2014. Everybody becomes an atheist when Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons show up at the door at oh-dark-hundred on a Saturday morning. :) |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 22 03:30:09 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jul 21 23:27:48 2014. There's no "belief in a non-deity" but rather no belief in a deity. You're trying to make a non-deity into a thing when it's not. Atheism isn't a religion because a religion includes belief in a deity.I really don't get the thing about atheists anyway. They're like any other group that has a vocal minority that doesn't represent the entire group who basically just want to be left alone. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 22 04:16:44 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 21 18:47:33 2014. No by his logic you're subscribing to non-fraud.Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jul 22 08:41:01 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 23:40:33 2014. Yes and the reason being? Once they do that they are proclaiming their beliefs.....they had become a religion. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jul 22 08:42:36 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 22 03:30:09 2014. Lol....if they want to be left alone.....they wouldn't be proclaiming their message on billboards They are preaching their bbeliefs.....thus have become a religious movement. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jul 22 08:43:57 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 22 04:16:44 2014. No....because non fraud isn't a movement. Atheists preaching their beliefs is. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jul 22 08:44:34 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 22 01:57:02 2014. No...but this one pertains to religion. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 22 08:53:33 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jul 22 08:41:01 2014. Once they do that they are proclaiming their beliefs.....they had become a religion.I disagree. You can proclaim beliefs without being a religion. Religion is a set of beliefs concerning a specific topic. Are scientists who study the origins of the universe and publish papers about their research necessarily part of a religion? And then there's this: Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 22 09:17:18 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 22 08:53:33 2014. That's a good example. Religious leaders often have explanations for the origins of the universe, or Earth and of life on Earth. Scientists also have an explanation. Does that make scientists a "religion?" Creationists consider evolution to be a religious belief. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jul 22 09:19:03 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jul 22 08:42:36 2014. if they want to be left alone.....they wouldn't be proclaiming their message on billboardsThey're not a monolithic group. Most want to be left alone. A few want to make a fuss. |
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