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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 17 13:30:53 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 17 12:19:14 2013. Not only that, but they were, for whatever reason, determined to tell the world about some stupid anti-Muslim YT video that was uploaded months before Benghazi, and had nothing to do with the attack. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri May 17 13:33:39 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Easy on Fri May 17 13:24:53 2013. I take back the "lol". |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 17 13:50:08 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Easy on Fri May 17 13:24:53 2013. I think of the CIA as a right wing organization, personally. But I guess opinions differ on that. |
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Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal? Plenty |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 17 13:57:15 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 17 13:30:53 2013. Media Matters is currently working furiously to try to discredit Fox News again. All they're doing is adding to their own list of lies that will themselves be discredited. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 17 14:00:48 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal? Plenty, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 17 13:57:15 2013. Media Matters is probably who came up with the idea to tell the world about the YT video after Benghazi.The fact that the Administration used that story for days, and lied about a spontaneous protest, is the main scandal. And I'll bet more could have been done to respond when it was known the embassy was under attack. |
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Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal? Plenty |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 17 14:04:33 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal? Plenty, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 17 14:00:48 2013. When MM4A's own chickens come home to roost, that won't be a pretty sight at all. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 14:12:49 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Fri May 17 13:05:46 2013. I'm OK with the CIA concealing what it knows for temporary time periods when speedy revelation would be damaging to US interests.Help me understand. How would the revelation been damaging to US interests? If you believe the revelation would have been damaging, what was the point of blaming a YouTube video when that was clearly false? Why do you say it was temporary, when it was clearly permanent -- nobody fessed up until the evidence became so overwhelming that the mainstream press insisted on a release of information? The administration |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 17 14:21:13 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 14:12:49 2013. How would the revelation been damaging to US interests?If you believe the revelation would have been damaging, what was the point of blaming a YouTube video when that was clearly false? 1. The CIA didn't want to let it be known that they quickly knew who did it. That would give the bad guys a hint as to how much the CIA really knew and how good their sources were. 2. I have repeatedly said that the way they hid their knowledge was stupid and clumsy. I'm making some specific points here and a bunch of you guys seem to think I'm defending the adminsitration on everything. READ. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 14:41:37 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Fri May 17 14:21:13 2013. You are making specific points, but they are incomplete. The way they hid their knowledge was neither stupid nor clumsy but intentional. If it was just a matter of not revealing what they knew then they could have easily said they were investigating a number of leads.You've ignored the YouTube video for about 3-4 consecutive posts. There was a specific reason for why they blamed the YouTube video, rather than admit that the deaths were the result of a number of shortcomings on the part of the administration. Why do you suppose that is? THINK. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 14:47:43 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Train Dude on Thu May 16 08:45:44 2013. Or the 1500+ that had died in Afghanistan under the current administration? Including more than 600 which have died since after Bin Laden was killed. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 17 14:53:26 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 14:47:43 2013. and who does a lot of the killing?sewer rats. subhumans. after we beat Germany, German snipers killed American and Russian troops. One day the Russians rounded up about 100 men between 15-40 years of age and shot them dead. the sniper attacks stopped. we need to do something similar, or get out of these Muslim countries. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 14:53:51 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Fri May 17 12:19:37 2013. Of course ... the right wing hive still insists that the four died as part of a plot by Hillary Clinton to ensure that they wouldn't be around to vote for Paul Ryan in 2016. :-\ |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 17 14:54:33 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 14:53:51 2013. LOL !!!Haha. That's funny. You should write Jon Stewart. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 14:59:11 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Fri May 17 13:50:08 2013. Rest assured that the CIA is way to the right of Olog, and living in about the same time period mentally. And while it's CIA taking it in the ear over this, the actual decisions were made by another alphabet soup agency. You're absolutely right about this, and it's amusing to see the right clutching for ever shorter and shorter straws which is why the verbs are getting tenser and tenser. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:01:43 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 17 14:54:33 2013. He's got his own. Besides, I'd have to move to the city to work there and that ain't happening. :)But seriously ... the right's shit all blew up yesterday and they're still dog-paddling next to their dinghies which have already beached. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:04:26 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 17 12:15:09 2013. The whole thing was a lie ... by the republicans. Check some real news. |
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Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal? Plenty |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:06:05 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal? Plenty, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 17 13:57:15 2013. Heh. You poor guys ... your shit blew up and you're trying to save it with the usual hippie rain dance. :) |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 17 15:06:39 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 14:41:37 2013. Why do you suppose that is?Idiocy. There was plenty of non-government evidence that this was a planned attack by the time Susan Rice went on the air. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:11:47 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal? Plenty, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 17 14:04:33 2013. 
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 15:13:09 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal? Plenty, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 17 13:57:15 2013. FOX discredits itself just fine. Romney landslide.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri May 17 15:15:05 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Easy on Fri May 17 13:13:40 2013. Ahhh...so its True colors finally stand revealed for all the masses to see. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 15:21:19 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 17 12:19:14 2013. Says FOX.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:31:43 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 14:47:43 2013. And who was it that got us into all of this in the first place? |
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Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?) |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:37:49 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by AlM on Fri May 17 15:06:39 2013. Think harder my friend.The truth they were hiding was "A US ambassador and three others are dead because we badly mishandled and mismanaged a situation." When they blame the YouTube video, they are claiming that "A US ambassador and three others are dead because some hate-mongering American right-winger posted a hateful video on YouTube". It's one thing (though still not right) for the Administration to lie and try to obscure their culpability for the deaths. It is another thing entirely to go and blame it on your political foes. There was no reason to blame the YouTube video other than to try to shift blame to their political opponents. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:40:23 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:31:43 2013. Good idea. Blame Bush for President Obama's decision to stay in Afghanistan long after "Mission Accomplished". |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 15:40:45 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 14:47:43 2013. I agree he should have yanked all those troops out on January 20, 2009 so they would still be alive. He never should have sent them there in the first place :)your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:41:31 2013, in response to Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:37:49 2013. Here, I have to finally agree with you:It's one thing (though still not right) for the Administration to lie and try to obscure their culpability for the deaths. It is another thing entirely to go and blame it on your political foes. And yet you persist. :( |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 15:42:23 2013, in response to Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:37:49 2013. Unless it was a CIA smokescreen. We'll find out.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:42:39 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:40:23 2013. Yeah, heaven forfend we go after those who actually attacked us, and instead take out the one thing that kept IRAN in check. So how's the banking over there in Suisse? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:43:42 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 15:42:23 2013. Nah ... we don't have to find out, FOX and Friends has already decided. You comply. :) |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:45:19 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:42:39 2013. Banking still sucks. Can't open anything other than a "current account" (essentially a checking account) because I'm an American. Some banks actually kicking out American customers from even holding a current account. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 17 15:45:51 2013, in response to Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:37:49 2013. pwn3d again. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri May 17 15:46:05 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:40:23 2013. Wasn't "MIssion Accomplished" in 2003? |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:46:09 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 15:42:23 2013. You think Susan Rice going on Meet The Press was a CIA smokescreen? |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:46:48 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:41:31 2013. What is it that I'm blaming on political foes? |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:48:42 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by bingbong on Fri May 17 15:46:05 2013. Nice attempted deflection from facts.Why have 600 American soldiers died in Afghanistan since after Bin Laden's death? What purpose are they serving there? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:50:45 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:45:19 2013. Yeah, got a buggy in Basil ... even sucks for the SWiss. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 15:51:54 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:46:09 2013. It sounds to me that the talking points all went to mush and that was decided as plausible . I think the CIA didn't want to reveal much detail and the State Dept didn't want to take the blame so they hatched a stupid plan to blame the video. There were riots over it on other places so they probably figured it would buy them time to come up with a better reason.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:52:49 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:50:45 2013. Not sure why it would suck for a Swiss, unless they have dual citizenship or a US Green Card. Once you become a "US Person" the banks don't want to touch you. |
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Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal? Plenty |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 17 15:53:00 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 17 14:53:26 2013. Getting out isn't the solution. As quick as we 'get out", they get in here. And not even handing all of Israel to the terrorists will solve anything—it will make things infinitely worse. They're poisoned with a philosophy that was literally adapted from Nazism. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:55:17 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:46:48 2013. The Benghazi thing for one ... CBS News obtained the ACTUAL emails and memos and turns out that the republicans LIED about what was in them. They showed the republican version, and then the real one. I posted the link to the CBS site which has the video substantiating that.Republican lying machine caught in the act. |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:55:24 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Fred G on Fri May 17 15:51:54 2013. How could that be decided as plausible when they all knew it was false?The only reason for bringing up the YouTube video was to blame their political opposition for their own failings. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:55:46 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:52:49 2013. Dual citizen - artist. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri May 17 15:57:11 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:48:42 2013. Attempting to stabilize a nation so as to not allow it to revert back to the chaotic mess it had been in 2001, providing opportunity for Alqueada to get established well enough to support another 9/11.I agree that we should have been gone years ago. That should have been finished by 2005, had bush not taken away resources for his stupid pointless instability creating Iraq invasion. Had we gotten Afghanistan stable and OUT by then we would have saved lives. Of course that would have meant actually holding Tora Bora for that time, instead of permitting Alqueda to leave. All that did is cause them to become disparate, waiting to reconstitute somewhere else. People in that part of the world don't mind waiting a long long time. They're used to it. And they don't forget. |
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Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal? Plenty |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:57:21 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal? Plenty, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 17 15:53:00 2013. See this guy here? Once he got taken out, Iran got carte blanche. But sure don't see you whining about the REAL cause of the problem.
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:57:57 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:55:17 2013. That's an interesting perspective when just about every other news organization that has looked over the emails has concluded that the lies by the administration just keep getting deeper. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri May 17 15:58:51 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:55:24 2013. The fact that there were other protests (peaceful) focused on the video that same night in Benghazi. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:59:29 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 15:57:57 2013. Hive thinking. It gets ratings. What can I say? The actual paperwork? Or folks just gassing off? Yeah, I suppose we should go with the ausgassers. :-\ |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri May 17 16:00:17 2013, in response to Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 15:55:46 2013. Lots of people renouncing US citizenship the past few years at the Embassy here. Not sure if it is taxes, banking difficulty or something else -- but the numbers are way up. Taxes is the least likely, as anyone with any kind of assets will get "exit taxed" to the point of not making it worthwhile. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 17 16:01:24 2013, in response to Re: Why blame the YouTube video? (Re: So what's left of the Benghazi Scandal?), posted by bingbong on Fri May 17 15:58:51 2013. And some not so peaceful.Bottom line (which everybody's missing) is that if it weren't for that video's timing along with the expectations that there would be folks on the street making noise that night over it, then Blackwater could have started shooting up the crowd a LOT sooner and this might not have come down the way it was. After all, without that video, any such assembly would have been unexpected and therefore suspicious. Gotta love armchair general type geniuses that can't figure THAT out. :( |
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