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Posted by hound on Thu Oct 11 01:43:14 2007 I've been told by several people that Nov. 15 is when the MTA is coming to LIB for a full takeover & house cleaning. Anybody else out there have any credible info on this? If it's true, it's certainly long overdue! |
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Re: MTA takeover |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu Oct 11 08:29:00 2007, in response to MTA takeover, posted by hound on Thu Oct 11 01:43:14 2007. It's going to happen, but NOT this November. |
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Re: MTA takeover |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Oct 11 08:43:57 2007, in response to MTA takeover, posted by hound on Thu Oct 11 01:43:14 2007. LIB is already an arm of the MTA, do you mean that they are going to fold it into MTA Bus ? What would be the purpose ? From what I have seen it certainly needs improving, but what would be gained ? |
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Re: MTA takeover |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Thu Oct 11 09:47:12 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by Mr RT on Thu Oct 11 08:29:00 2007. From several bus operators and powers of be at the MTA, it's THIS November. |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Thu Oct 11 09:55:05 2007, in response to MTA takeover, posted by hound on Thu Oct 11 01:43:14 2007. I've been told that it's on November 1st. Several bus operators who work at MTA Long Island Bus as well as bus operators AND MANAGEMENT at New York City Transit told me that the MTA has already moved into BOTH depots (Mitchell Field and Rockville Centre) and have started to "shake-up" things already in L.I. Bus management. I'm not going to list who's been removed from their positions because that's not soemthing that should be shared on here.MTA Long Island Bus will fold under the MTA Bus Company, which means that the bus will be renumbered, orange stripe peeled off for an ALL blue stripe and destination signs will be changed. For example, you might see something like this for the N6: N6 HEMPSTEAD Now it could say: N6 HEMPSTEAD Hempstead Bus Term via Hillside Av Via Hempstead Tpke or something like that. That's what I've been told BUT could they push the takeover point back...who knows but November 1st, keep an eye out live you in Queens especially in Nassau County. |
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Re: MTA takeover |
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Posted by 9 local on Thu Oct 11 10:45:28 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Oct 11 08:43:57 2007. Long Island Bus is an operation of Nassau County contracted to the MTA. A full takeover of service would require the MTA to purchase all of the buses from Nassau County. This will make an interesting operation, as LIB buses have Talking Bus and MTAB buses do not. Because of this one issue, don't expect to see much fleet mixing. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Oct 11 10:52:32 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by The TransitMan on Thu Oct 11 09:55:05 2007. However, if Neil S. Yellin (MSBA's director) has been removed, that is something that should be shared. |
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Posted by tbev on Thu Oct 11 10:59:43 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by The TransitMan on Thu Oct 11 09:55:05 2007. Hopefully the part time operators are made into FT operators. |
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Posted by Eric B on Thu Oct 11 11:11:42 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by 9 local on Thu Oct 11 10:45:28 2007. So they should also leave the orange stripe and the numbers alone. All blue would be for the five boroughs. (In which the to agencies are intertwined). Blue and orange would remain for Nassau. If they ever took over any other county, such as Bee Line, then the current colors would remain for that county. |
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Posted by 9 local on Thu Oct 11 11:22:32 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by Eric B on Thu Oct 11 11:11:42 2007. You can't have more than one bus on the roster with the same number. MTA Long Island Bus and MTA Bus have overlapping bus numbers. The same goes with Bee Line and MTA Bus. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Oct 11 11:26:52 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by 9 local on Thu Oct 11 11:22:32 2007. The MTA did, however, for three weeks, before the ex-NYCTA 1980s RTSs at MTA Bus were renumbered. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Oct 11 11:28:42 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Oct 11 11:26:52 2007. The buses in question were former GBL #1101-1111, renumbered 1837-1847. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Oct 11 12:19:27 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by The TransitMan on Thu Oct 11 09:55:05 2007. Uh oh...so let's play follow the money:1) Has Nassau County signed a deal to fund these improvements? LIB has been crying about money FOREVER. Since this is an MTA operation ALREADY, the addition of new resources has to come from SOMEWHERE. 2) If Nassau County has not agreed to cough up more money for operations, then who is paying for this endeavor? Follow the money. It is important to make sure that the CITY OF NEW YORK is not being billed for any of this because they have a contract that forces them to pay whatever the MTA asks for. I have a feeling that some congestion pricing hush money is headed to Nassau County just as Westchester's hush money came in the MetroCard. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Oct 11 12:23:41 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Oct 11 11:28:42 2007. But for a while, they retained their Green numbers. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Thu Oct 11 12:52:11 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by 9 local on Thu Oct 11 11:22:32 2007. So just a the letter L to the number for lib like L450. |
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Posted by Eric B on Thu Oct 11 13:05:55 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by 9 local on Thu Oct 11 11:22:32 2007. If they keep the rosters separate, since the LI buses probably will not be swapped around with the ones in the boros, for the reasons stated (automitic announcements).Otherwise, they could just put "N's in front of the numbers. |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Thu Oct 11 13:10:55 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by 9 local on Thu Oct 11 11:22:32 2007. Currently, the open number series [large blocks] are:1200-1859, 2200-2704, 4000-4299, 4400-4899. The LIB buses can fit into any of the groups except 4000-4299. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Oct 11 20:37:33 2007, in response to MTA takeover, posted by hound on Thu Oct 11 01:43:14 2007. And so, I christen thee, MTA Regional Bus."Going your way: From Peekskill to Babylon!" |
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Posted by 7trainkrys on Thu Oct 11 20:56:44 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Thu Oct 11 13:10:55 2007. What about Access-A-Ride, didn't they just get a bunch of 3800-4299 series vans? And now they are getting 8000 series cars. What gives with all of this? |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri Oct 12 00:49:09 2007, in response to MTA takeover, posted by hound on Thu Oct 11 01:43:14 2007. OMGWTFBBQ, WHY? Now, that means the Orion VII junk will soon head out there too. Ugh, this truly sucks! I can't get away from it anywhere!I just hope that the service will improve. |
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Re: MTA takeover |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri Oct 12 00:57:07 2007, in response to MTA takeover, posted by hound on Thu Oct 11 01:43:14 2007. I'm guessing that Bee Lines will soon take this route as well? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Oct 12 06:37:08 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri Oct 12 00:57:07 2007. Why would they? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 12 06:51:23 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by JAzumah on Thu Oct 11 12:19:27 2007. Since this is an MTA operation ALREADYSome people erroneously insist otherwise. Don't know why they do. I also don't know why they believe that a name change and an increase in bureaucracy will result in "long overdue" improvements. |
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Re: MTA renaming of MSBA/LIB |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 12 06:53:07 2007, in response to MTA takeover, posted by hound on Thu Oct 11 01:43:14 2007. How can the MTA take over something that is theirs already?This is just payola to the consultants. Just like the wildly unpopular proposal to turn the LIRR and Metro-North into "MTA Rail Road". |
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Posted by Mr RT on Fri Oct 12 07:14:06 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Oct 11 20:37:33 2007. You can already do that with your Unlimited MC ! |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Oct 12 10:33:48 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 12 06:51:23 2007. Th issue is that the MTA is going to run service at a higher level than Nassau can pay for. Previously, they stuck to the budget, which meant that LIB could do very little with their service. The idea behind Regional Bus includes the pooling of resources to "lower the cost" of running buses and my concern is that Nassau County is going to be let off the hook for the money. This leaves NYC to fund a large chunk of the hole. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Fri Oct 12 10:50:02 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by JAzumah on Fri Oct 12 10:33:48 2007. Whats next the MTA/NJT seems like they are a little power hungry they can't get enough. Only kidding about njt in case you did not know that. |
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Re: MTA takeover |
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Posted by 9 local on Fri Oct 12 13:10:09 2007, in response to Re: MTA renaming of MSBA/LIB, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 12 06:53:07 2007. It is a takeover, as the MTA does not own the buses or the facilities or even the routes. It is a CONTRACT OPERATION, much like Transport of Rockland is contracted to Coach USA. The difference is that the MTA brands the service owned by Nassau County as MTA Long Island Bus and uses MTA fare structure and fare media. In order to integrate LIB into the regional bus system, the MTA has to purchase all of the buses, facilities, and routes from Nassau County.For an administrative purpose, right now Long Island Bus is on a different payroll from MTA Bus Company. By merging the two companies (as they are separate companies) they also merge payrolls and seniority lists, although I am unsure whether or not switching from Nassau division depots to MTAB Queens, Brooklyn, or Bronx division depots will be possible because of union restrictions. It will be possible to see an ex. Long Island Bus Orion 5 on 3rd Avenue on the Bx15 or a C40LF in Hempstead TC that would not be possible without full purchase of the buses from Nassau County. While on the outside it may say MTA Long Island Bus, and while the operators and maintenance people are employed by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, it's really a Nassau County operation. And even if it were an MTA operation, it is still a merger of two different companies within the MTA, so it's not just a renaming thing. On November 1, 2007 Long Island Bus will cease to exist and it will become a part of MTA Bus Company, not only in name, but in administration and ownership as well. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Oct 12 20:48:04 2007, in response to Re: MTA takeover, posted by Mr RT on Fri Oct 12 07:14:06 2007. I know that part. I'm just saying, there will soon be a day that you can travel between those points in MTA blue and whites. |
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