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Posted by Dan on Sun Apr 18 10:42:12 2021, in response to When will the Bus Network Redesign Studies begin again., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Apr 18 09:17:10 2021. The Staten Island express bus portion of the re-design was completed and implemented in 2018. The Staten Island local bus portion of the redesign is on hold and hasn't been mentioned in the Staten Island Advance for years.Some preliminary work on the SI local bus study was probably done back in 2016. At that time there were vague suggestions made about improving bus service to major employment centers like the College of SI, South Avenue corridor, Matrix Park (Amazon, etc) and the 3 hospitals on the island. The local buses are a low priority for Staten Islanders and Staten Island elected officials. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 18 19:54:14 2021, in response to When will the Bus Network Redesign Studies begin again., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Apr 18 09:17:10 2021. To my knowledge the Queens re-design plan has been thrown away with MTA going back to the drawing board with a whole new plan based on the concerns given at the various meetings throughout the borough. |
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Posted by Chicago44 on Mon Apr 19 05:07:00 2021, in response to Re: When will the Bus Network Redesign Studies begin again., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 18 19:54:14 2021. Does anyone know on when the a second draft report will be released for the Queens redesign study or when the final report for the Queens redesign will be released & will there be virtual public meetings instead. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Apr 19 07:31:47 2021, in response to Re: When will the Bus Network Redesign Studies begin again., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 18 19:54:14 2021. Yeah, there was a big uproar and fuss among the residents in Jackson Heights, Queens, who would have seen a dramatic change in the bus routes in that neighborhood, where I live there currently. There was a big turnout to one input meeting at a center there, and with MTA NYCT president Andy Byford in attendance there. He faced a lot of criticism and protest from those speaking out their concerns.As an example, the Q49 route would been eliminated, thus no bus service along an entire stretch of 35th Avenue. Their new proposed route, the #QT74, would run along side streets that had speed bumps installed, and have its southern terminal end near the Elmhurst Avenue local station, non-ADA compliant, of the IND Queens Line. The #Q49 southern terminal is at the 74th Street-Roosevelt Avenue-Broadway station of the IRT Flushing (local) and IND Queens Lines (express and local), and that is ADA-compliant. The proposal would have the #Q49 and #Q33 lose from each of their berths (starting point) inside the bus terminal, leaving only the #Q70 LGA Airport SBS by itself. If the MTA tries this Queens Bus Network Design again, the agency will soon be facing another community backlash. The initial proposal in this plan was thought out not well and not in tune what the riders wanted in the first place. -William A. Padron ["Q89 via 35 Av"] |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 19 08:03:04 2021, in response to Re: When will the Bus Network Redesign Studies begin again., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 18 19:54:14 2021. I hope you are correct. The worst part of the plan was the massive elimination of bus stops that was not done in the Bronx. Having a local bus stop once every mile is utterly ridiculous. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 19 08:13:52 2021, in response to When will the Bus Network Redesign Studies begin again., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Apr 18 09:17:10 2021. The problem with these studies is that the major goal is reducing operating expenses and not service improvements. Thus is why there was such outrage in Queens. Although redesigns are grossly needed, unless the MTA changes the goals of these studies, it would be better is they never continue.One only has to read the Brooklyn Existing Conditions Report to understand the goals are not service improvement. They state that Downtown Brooklyn is undergoing the largest amount if growth in the entire Borough. To manage this growth, they further state, the area has a massive subway network, so few buses are needed. There is no discussion of subway capacity or crowding. Just that numerous buses operate along Fulton Street and many aren't necessary. If these routes are eliminated, the result would be increased crowding, transferring, and travel times. How would this be an improvement for the riders. We do not need bus studies designed to eliminate bus stops, shorten bus routes so only one route operates on any street, and increase walking, and transferring, We can have a competent bus route redesigns, but only if the MTA is willing to do them and listen to what riders want. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Apr 19 09:45:40 2021, in response to Re: When will the Bus Network Redesign Studies begin again., posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 19 08:13:52 2021. Are the buses currently operating on Fulton St or Livingston St crowded while on those streets?I would also ask which stations/lines underground are specifically unable to function due to overcrowding that would likely be helped by increased service on Fulton / Livingston Sts. If there are 11 or so subway lines in the Downtown Brooklyn area, and enough ADA access to the subway as well, then I'd say the pressure is on the buses to demonstrate their necessity. If people need them, then fine. But if riders can say they want something, they have to "vote with their feet." There should be visibly full (if not crowded) buses along the streets in question. From my personal observations, I've had difficulty justifying all of the space that parked/stopped buses take up around Cadman Plaza based on the number of people I see waiting for them. And I'm very much a bus fan. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 19 15:13:11 2021, in response to Re: When will the Bus Network Redesign Studies begin again., posted by William A. Padron on Mon Apr 19 07:31:47 2021. I guess the speed-bumps did not show up when these so-called planners were looking at Google maps.The remaining Q70 will likely be forced to go bye-bye if Cuomo's stupid LGA Airtrain happens. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 19 18:05:56 2021, in response to Re: When will the Bus Network Redesign Studies begin again., posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Apr 19 09:45:40 2021. The only reason there are so many buses around Cadman Plaza is because they need somewhere to turn around and layover. So, yes, if you look at any bus near Cadman Plaza, it will appear mostly empty nearly all the time. But does that mean there are too many buses there? By the third or fourth stop they are all mostly filled.You also have to remember that the people riding these buses are not the same people who are riding the subway. Most of the people on the trains are not getting on or off in Downtown Brooklyn, but are riding through it. Most of the people on the buses are either beginning or ending their trip in Downtown Brooklyn. So by eliminating some of these buses in Downtown Brooklyn will force those people onto the remaining buses or onto the already overcrowded subways. Many of the people who are on the buses in the first place is because they are willing to trade an extra ten minutes for a more comfortable and probably a seated ride. But the MTA doesn’t care if someone is comfortable or not, and that is wrong. Don’t know if it could be done now, but forty years ago, I proposed building an off-street bus terminal by Atlantic Center where virtually all the bus routes would terminate, and operate from there a free trolley on its own right of way along Fulton Street through the courts (where the old Fulton Street used to be, then along Cadman Plaza East and Washington Street and back to the Fulton Ferry. Perhaps, it could also be done today with one articulated bus route that operates like every two minutes all day long, so there is no wait for it. That is the only way I could see ending all the buses laying over near Cadman Plaza. But I doubt it if the city has any interest in building an off-Street bus terminal. They wouldn’t do it in Main Street Flushing, so why would they do it here? |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Apr 19 18:34:17 2021, in response to Re: When will the Bus Network Redesign Studies begin again., posted by Chicago44 on Mon Apr 19 05:07:00 2021. ...if we knew, someone would have said so... |
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