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Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 19 17:36:07 2016, in response to Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:52:36 2016. As there was no car ahead in this case, that is completely irrelevant. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 19 17:46:44 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:56:15 2016. According to you, they waited to start crossing. Therefore, they would not have been in your way had you started moving immediately. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 19 17:48:42 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Sep 18 18:36:08 2016. Yes, there is a difference.It is similar to turning left from a two-way street. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:12:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:41:59 2016. Nope. You're wrong. It's amazing how little you comprehend. I told you that with respect to the point I was making, the exact number of seconds waited do not matter. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:24:54 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:38:01 2016. No, it has already been addressed by multiple people since you first posted it. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:25:56 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:47:56 2016. That's not the right place to wait, as Spider-Pig said. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Sep 19 18:28:59 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:45:26 2016. And your invalid point was refuted here. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:29:16 2016, in response to Re: Terrapin does not know how to drive Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:52:36 2016. I never said that. You're a liar and a hypocrite. But we already knew that. You falsely accuse others of changing your words but you actually DO change others' words!! |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:30:06 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by R30A on Mon Sep 19 15:56:53 2016. Exactly. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:30:22 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:24:01 2016. You're contradicting yourself. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:31:38 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:54:00 2016. Wrong. You are taking about making a turn in NYC, many of which are close to 90 degrees, especially in the normal Manhattan grid. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:32:01 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 19 17:46:44 2016. Exactly. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:33:27 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:56:15 2016. No it's not exactly what I said. I said nothing about cutting anyone off. Read it again. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:35:50 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:58:45 2016. If you hadn't had waited, they wouldn't have had time to get off the sidewalk before you passed their location at the crosswalk. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:38:35 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:02:12 2016. No, it would only apply to those at the meeting. You extended it to apply to everyone who disagrees with DOT. So like I said, your words, not mine. Don't change what I wrote. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:39:07 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:03:12 2016. Nope. Then too. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:40:57 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:06:42 2016. Because:1. Parts of how you operated your vehicle during this incident were incorrect, as per how you described it. 2. Parts of your story make no sense. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:42:49 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:07:37 2016. Yes you do need to be told that because it is not how you drive according to your description of this event. You said you waited two seconds before turning. That is not the correct way to drive a vehicle. So we just told you the correct way. We also told it to you months ago or whenever you first posted the story. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 19 18:46:09 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:38:35 2016. Shouldn't waste time changing your litter box. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:47:22 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:11:57 2016. Your story makes no sense. How could the pedestrians have had enough time to move from the corner by the crosswalk to the street outside the crosswalk in the one or two seconds it took your car to go from the stop bar to the crosswalk? If they were too dimwitted to step off the curb as soon as they got the walk symbol, how did they have enough smarts and motivation to get into the street and ahead of your car AND ahead of the crosswalk before you finished your turn??? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:48:33 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:14:08 2016. Maybe because it doesn't mention crosswalks? Maybe it applies even outside of a crosswalk? Dunno. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:49:17 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:19:23 2016. You shouldn't have waited two seconds. That's driving incorrectly. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:49:40 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:25:49 2016. And you were wrong for doing so. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Sep 19 18:49:57 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 19 09:38:53 2016. There are never any deviations. And funny thing is, while other queens blvd lights seem to be sequenced, DOT has never touched this one, like it's radioactive or something. Even when they replaced the signals, they kept the terrible timing. It's actually not too bad for the "express" lanes because there's no left turn there, but it's brutal on the local.The funny thing is, pedestrians trying to cross 63rd road on the north side are stuck with the same long wait. So when it finally clears, cars attempting to make the right turn are screwed. They should actually put a "no right turn" sign up and get people to turn on Junction instead, it would help the traffic flow (especially since the Junction blvd crosswalk is clear to cross at all times outside of those 30 seconds). Now, there is a silver lining here - no one in a car ever actually needs to encounter that light in that direction. 99st usually has light traffic and is easy enough to get to most of the same destinations. However, the Q60 and Q72 get terribly bogged down by it. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 18:54:18 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:45:26 2016. Link? |
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Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians done |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Sep 19 20:04:19 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvdn medians done, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 17:13:22 2016. Yes we have. Many many times. You're lying. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Sep 19 20:56:31 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:24:01 2016. But you just said you didn't make a turn in the post I was responding to. If you didn't make a turn, you ran a red light. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Sep 19 23:17:46 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:01:18 2016. You certainly ARE NOT screwing up traffic operations because at many high volume pedestrian crossings, pedestrians are given a five second lead time so they can start crossing before the cars start making their right turn.Incorrect. Like I said, you ARE screwing up traffic operations by waiting instead of going. LPI is a special case that we are not discussing. We are discussing a standard intersection where the peds and the cars get the light at the same time. At such standard intersections, you are screwing up traffic operations if you sit on your ass after the light turns green instead of getting the hell out of there. Signal timings aren't designed with the assumption that everyone waits two seconds before going. The only reason why this intersection did not give pedestrians a lead is that right turns are banned before 8 PM.That makes no sense. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Sep 20 03:40:00 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 19 09:49:27 2016. This reminds me of one thing that really irks me - when right turning on red, you're supposed to come to a complete stop. Essentially a stop and proceed. NO ONE DOES THIS. It's even worse than stop signs, since people will do it at ~15 MPH. No thought given to the possibility of cyclists or joggers on the sidewalk, emboldened by a walk symbol. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 07:44:34 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Sep 20 03:40:00 2016. I do it. I always stop completely before RTOR. It's a great responsibility and privilege to be able to RTOR. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 20 07:45:19 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:01:18 2016. Only a tiny fraction of intersections in Manhattan give pedestrians any lead time. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 20 07:46:36 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Sep 20 03:40:00 2016. NO ONE DOES THIS.False. Many people don't do it. Many people do it. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 20 08:06:16 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 07:44:34 2016. That's the way to do it. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 20 08:07:18 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by AlM on Tue Sep 20 07:46:36 2016. False. Many people don't do it. Many people do it.False, very few people do it. Most people don't. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 20 08:14:58 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Sep 20 03:40:00 2016. Another thing which drivers do with impunity - - travel in prohibited or breakdown zone (what I referring is the area with while solid angled lines, indicating emergency vehicle use only).At Midland Ave in Yonkers, off the northbound exit of Central Park Ave, there is a small prohibited area where many drivers use, instead of the turning lane by the STOP sign (to turn west onto Midland). This creates a dangerous situation where one vehicle would be in the right turn lane, another vehicle would illegally pass on the right while traveling on that zone. That driver on the left has to be alert for the idiot on the right or else there would be an accident. Another thing, is the NO TURN ON RED. That should be obvious - - tell that to drivers on eastbound Midland at the Yonkers Contracting building and the connector road to southbound Central Park Ave, they run it all the time (while continuing on Midland Ave). |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 20 08:16:10 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:52:54 2016. But if you want to use that as your example, you could come to the same conclusion regarding pedestrians who jaywalk and cyclists who run red lights and conclude neither of those groups are responsible either since the percentages of those groups who violate those laws are also probably near 95 percent.Everyone should play a part in traffic safety. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 20 08:18:22 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Sep 19 14:15:55 2016. One cycle - lol - that cycle at East 233rd Street/Jerome Ave and I87 is a long one - - I try avoiding get caught for that cycle at around 6 AM. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 20 08:21:46 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:14:08 2016. How does any of this answer my question?Your question was: They had two seconds to start walking. How long was I supposed to wait?...How long shoukd I have waited for them to start crossing before proceeding? Under § 1112 a pedestrian has the right of way whenever he steps onto the crosswalk, while the walk sign shows its walk aspect. Under § 139 a pedestrian's right of way movement has precedence over all other traffic. If the vehicle is in the process of traversing the crosswalk and a pedestrian enters that crosswalk, the vehicle must stop and cede the right of way to the pedestrian. The driver should approach a crosswalk with that thought in mind. The fact that the driver entered the crosswalk first does not give the driver the right of way. N.B. traffic laws are more uniform than they were 50+ years ago. One gem from the Massachusetts code was "whenever two vehicles arrive at an unmarked intersection at the same time, the vehicle entering first has the right of way." After decades of leading the nation in T-Bone collisions, Massachusetts joined the rest of the country by giving the vehicle on the right side the right of way. |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 20 08:36:42 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 20 08:18:22 2016. So that's just one intersection. In all my years I don't recall ever analyzing an intersection with a cycle length of 3 minutes or longer. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 20 08:37:59 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 20 08:21:46 2016. No, you're not answering his question (which is admittedly a stupid question). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Sep 20 08:58:54 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 07:44:34 2016. Damn right! I do as well. I always thought if everyone did, there would be less blanket "no turn on red" restrictions across municipalities. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 09:54:46 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 07:44:34 2016. Excellent post! |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 09:57:57 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 20 08:21:46 2016. If the vehicle is in the process of traversing the crosswalk and a pedestrian enters that crosswalk, the vehicle must stop and cede the right of way to the pedestrian.You're assuming a significant collision possibility, right? You are not saying that a right-turning vehicle has to stop because a pedestrian stepped off the curb all the way on the other side of the crosswalk (farthest from the car) right? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Sep 20 11:58:19 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 15:58:45 2016. Based on your description, it sounds to me like you waited two seconds, and then, about the time the pedestrians started to cross, you blocked the crosswalk, so they had no choice but to walk outside it.Since they forced me to stop short for them by crossing in front of me OUTSIDE THE CROSSWALK which is ILLEGAL, the pedestrians clearly were in the WRONG. No, they had the right of way. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 20 12:02:36 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Sep 20 09:57:57 2016. You're assuming a significant collision possibility, right?Is there any such qualification in the cited statute that limits the a pedestrian's expectation for having the right of way within the crosswalk with a walk aspect? You are not saying that a right-turning vehicle has to stop because a pedestrian stepped off the curb all the way on the other side of the crosswalk (farthest from the car) right? First, the statute also includes left turning vehicles. The question is whether the driver will in any way limit the pedestrian from exercising his right of way. Should there not be sufficient room for the vehicle to fully clear the crosswalk, then the only way for the driver tin guarantee the pedestrian's right of way would be to stop before entering the crosswalk. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 20 12:08:49 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by fdtutf on Tue Sep 20 11:58:19 2016. If he was temporarily blocking the crosswalk while moving then the peds would have had no time to go outside of the crosswalk. It would have been much faster and convenient for the peds to let him finish his in-progress maneuver so they could remain in the crosswalk. I suspect that he is not telling the story correctly. The story has several holes and has changed a few times. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 20 12:19:33 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 20 08:21:46 2016. Under § 1112 a pedestrian has the right of way whenever he steps onto the crosswalk, while the walk sign shows its walk aspect.Again, that doesn't answer his question. I already answered his question (so did others), and the answer to his question is "zero seconds". |
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Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 20 12:26:26 2016, in response to Re: BrooklynBus does not know how to drive!!!! -- Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 20 08:36:42 2016. It might have been a fluke for that one day but I was watching the clock on my dashboard and it was a good 3 minutes. The are multiple phases at this intersection - - Southbound and northbound Jerome Ave, I87 northbound exit 13, East 233rd Street onto southbound Jerome (East 233rd Street onto northbound Jerome and I87 North/South is a dedicated right turn signal phase). |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Sep 20 12:31:03 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Sep 19 16:01:18 2016. The only reason why this intersection did not give pedestrians a lead is that right turns are banned before 8 PM.I have never seen an intersection where right turns are banned before 8 PM. Maybe 7 PM in midtown Manhattan, but not 8 PM. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 20 12:47:16 2016, in response to Re: Fighting the DOT S(BS) on Woodhaven Blvd, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Sep 20 07:44:34 2016. IAWTP.The New York exemption should be abolished. Or at least outside Manhattan. Give the city a few years years to comply by putting up signs. |
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