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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 17 10:46:51 2016 We're promoting QueensRail! Stop Select Bus Service and the QueensWay! The Queens Public Transit Committee will rally, rain or shine in favor of the QueensRail at the DOT and MTA Select Bus Service open house forums on: Tuesday, May 17 from 6 to 8 p.m., at PS/MS 42 Robert Vernam School, 488 Beach 66th St, Arverne, New York 11692. Additional rallies will follow on Saturday, May 21 at PS 65 in Ozone Park and Wednesday, May 25 at PS 306 in Woodhaven. DOT plans to take away our Q52 and Q53 bus stops, (Beach 105, 101, 98, 86, W 5th Road and Atlantic Avenue bus stops), traffic lanes, left turns, parking, lower speed limits, move bus stops onto dangerous medians and increase unfair tickets for Queens commuters. We need the QueensRail not DOT gimmicks. At our rally at DOT Select Bus Service open house, we seek to unite Queens with the QueensRail, Stop Select BS, give us back our train and our roadways, don't want them take away our bus stops or traffic lanes, stop Vision Zero Gridlock! Share the roadway, don't steal the roadway! We demand the QueensRail! See our latest hit For more information, call or text Queens Public Transit Committee at 718-679-5309. Sincerely, Phillip McManus Chairman, Queens Public Transit Committee |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 17 17:43:41 2016, in response to Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 17 10:46:51 2016. They made significant changes but the plan is still very deficient.It seems like they looked at a map, saw a wide street, and concluded without any data that all those lanes weren't necessary for general traffic and it would be a good idea to add a bus lane and ban 26 left turns (counting each direction separately) in April 2015. Then when the community disagreed, they first started collecting data and realized banning all those left turns weren't such a good idea. So in December 2015, they decided to restore 8 of them and ban only 18. (Their newest document inaccurately claims that in April 2015 they proposed 18 left turn bans. Now they go and collect even more data and now decide that only 6 turning movements could be banned without severely harming traffic. So they they have reduced the number of left turn bans from 26 to 6. This proves that they never really analyzed the effects of banning left turns when they were originally proposed. After all you would gave to be nuts to propose banning left turns at Metropolitan Avenue. Look at all the cars waiting to make a left turn there on the day before Mothers Day: I counted over 40 cars. Those cars would have had to travel between a half mile and a mile extra. https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=16B101054C13A9CB!2671&authkey=!ADfcOZqHmWLt938&ithint=video%2cMOV The results of the bus lane installed north of Metropolitan Avenue shows traffic speeds declined by 38 percent from 19.5 mph to 12 mph northbound during the AM peak and bus speeds declined as well. Now they want to make similar "improvements" south of Metropolitan. I guess DOT believes 12 mph is a reasonable speed for auto travel on a major arterial. If they can't improve speeds for cars and buses where they have already installed bus lanes, then they need to scrap the entire plan and not destroy the boulevard any further. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 18 13:15:52 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 17 17:43:41 2016. Look at all the cars waiting to make a left turn there on the day before Mothers Day: I counted over 40 cars.Yes, counting both the southbound left and the northbound left, there were at least 40 cars looking to turn left at that moment. That said, that momentary observation can not be used to prove anything (i.e. that banning left-turns would be 'BAD'). No matter if your conclusion is ultimately right or wrong, you would need more data than just that. Those cars would have had to travel between a half mile and a mile extra.I can't verify your statement but I know you've been wrong in the past on this topic. It seems like they looked at a map, saw a wide street, and concluded without any data that all those lanes weren't necessary for general traffic and it would be a good idea to add a bus lane and ban 26 left turns (counting each direction separately) in April 2015.If everything you said was actually true, including about DOT's attitude and how they presented this info, and what details they gave about the ongoing process, then I'd agree that DOT may not be doing things correctly. But I don't know if you're right about all that, and based on your history here, there's no way I can take your word for it. The results of the bus lane installed north of Metropolitan Avenue shows traffic speeds declined by 38 percent from 19.5 mph to 12 mph northbound during the AM peak and bus speeds declined as well.Where is the study stating this? I guess DOT believes 12 mph is a reasonable speed for auto travel on a major arterial.You realize that the autos are going faster than 12 mph, right? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 18 23:21:51 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 18 13:15:52 2016. When I said 12 mph, I was talking about an average speed, not a top speed. And the average speed on the portion of the roadway in question according to DOT is now only 12 mph a 38% speed reduction.These are slides 44 and 45 of the presentation shown here: http://www.nyc.gov/html/brt/downloads/pdf/brt-woodhaven-may2016.pdf. DOT made their proposal to ban left turns without studying any data. They proposed banning 26 left turn movements and now after studying the data reduced it to six which is still too many. Four at most could be banned. The fact that they now will no longer ban left turns at Metropolitan Avenue proves they realized they were in error. Their original proposal called for large trucks to instead make a 270 degree left turn from Cooper to Metropolitan instead. When I pointed out to them, that turn would be nearly impossible for a tractor trailer, they changed their proposal to instead turn barrow residential Trotting Course Lane into a two way. Then after that didn't fly with the community because it was just plain dumb, then they finally agreed to restore the left turn. And that video was not a momentary observation. I took a previous video last year that also showed high volumes of turning cars. How many videos would you need to convince you? We asked DOT for data on turning volumes but they never responded. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 19 10:44:31 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 18 13:15:52 2016. I can't verify your statement but I know you've been wrong in the past on this topic.There are many comments to Sheepsheadbites articles refuting all the arguments presented here. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 19 15:15:13 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 19 10:44:31 2016. And I successfully refuted all those arguments which is why these discussions never seemed to end. Opponents would constantly misquote me or take what I stTed out of context in order to create a fictitious argument in order to discredit me. They weren't successful.DOT just continues to make false statements. In their latest document they claim to show proposed left turn bans as of Aprill 2015, when they are actually showing what they proposed in December 2015. In April they proposed 26 left turn movement bans because they blindly made the proposal without any data. After many complaints they first collected data and were able to see what they proposed made no sense at all. So they reduced the ban from 26 to 6, and two of those still need to be rescinded. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu May 19 16:11:51 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 19 15:15:13 2016. More of the 26 still need to be reinstated.You have not once in this or other threads here, or on any of the disqus threads ever successfully refuted an argument. Largely because you are inherently dishonest. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 20 18:43:56 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 18 23:21:51 2016. When I said 12 mph, I was talking about an average speed, not a top speed.You didn't say that. And based on the way you said it, you made it sounds much more like top speed or average moving speed. Average speed is hard to understand because it includes the time spent stopped in traffic or at red lights. So you can't just go around asking if 12 mph is an acceptable average speed as there are too many variables to consider. You don't seem to know much about transportation planning. These are slides 44 and 45 of the presentation shown here: http://www.nyc.gov/html/brt/downloads/pdf/brt-woodhaven-may2016.pdf.Thanks. LOL! So what? It's just the AM peak, and bus speeds hardly dropped in the AM peak. And in the other peaks, bus speeds increased, which was the goal! DOT made their proposal to ban left turns without studying any data. They proposed banning 26 left turn movements and now after studying the data reduced it to six which is still too many. Four at most could be banned. The fact that they now will no longer ban left turns at Metropolitan Avenue proves they realized they were in error. Their original proposal called for large trucks to instead make a 270 degree left turn from Cooper to Metropolitan instead. When I pointed out to them, that turn would be nearly impossible for a tractor trailer, they changed their proposal to instead turn barrow residential Trotting Course Lane into a two way. Then after that didn't fly with the community because it was just plain dumb, then they finally agreed to restore the left turn. And that video was not a momentary observation. I took a previous video last year that also showed high volumes of turning cars. How many videos would you need to convince you? We asked DOT for data on turning volumes but they never responded.Doesn't change what I already said about not being able to take your word for this exact version of events. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 20 18:46:31 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by R30A on Thu May 19 16:11:51 2016. You have not once in this or other threads here, or on any of the disqus threads ever successfully refuted an argument. Largely because you are inherently dishonest.And that's the truth! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 20 18:47:38 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 19 15:15:13 2016. And I successfully refuted all those argumentsWrong! You've successfully refuted NONE of them! Please show three that you've successfully refuted. Just three! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 21 09:51:32 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by R30A on Thu May 19 16:11:51 2016. I certainly have. You are giving no specifics to prove your point. Only resorting to baseless accusations. I have about had it you you, Lincoln, and your friend Brian. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 21 09:54:01 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 20 18:47:38 2016. I could never satisfy you because it is not possible to have an intelligent discussion with you. Why don't you go back to the dozen SBS articles I wrote with the hundreds of comments and pick out even one that I have not successfully disputed. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 21 10:44:12 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 21 09:54:01 2016. LOL! Intelligent conversation with the person who believes in ghosts and aliens. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat May 21 22:20:37 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 21 09:51:32 2016. I have about had it you you, Lincoln, and your friend Brian.That'll be the day! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat May 21 22:21:00 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 21 10:44:12 2016. LOL!!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat May 21 22:22:00 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 21 09:54:01 2016. Wrong! You've successfully refuted NONE of them! Please show three that you've successfully refuted. Just three! YOU made the claim. YOU back it up. I know you've never successfully refuted any of those comments. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 21 22:27:20 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 21 10:44:12 2016. I partially retract the previous post. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 22 01:43:51 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 21 22:27:20 2016. I won't hold it against you. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 22 20:57:00 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 18 23:21:51 2016. bumpRe: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally (313811) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 22 20:57:22 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 21 09:51:32 2016. bumpRe: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally (313859) |
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Posted by JerBear on Mon May 23 09:09:18 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 19 15:15:13 2016. I don't know anyone, even people that occasionally agree with you, that would say your refutations are ever successful. Too often it comes down to arguments over definitions, when you hold definitions different from others and claim victory based on your definition. And sometimes I just get tired of arguing with you because I am trying to learn and discover and seek out truth and you think you know it already and aren't searching.And when we do successfully refute you, you ignore it or change the subject. To wit: I am still waiting on a response from you from March. On March 9th you said: "Similarly no one has suggested getting rid of existing medians and a lane of parking. MORE LIES FROM YOU!" I then provided a link to the meeting materials where some citizen suggested getting rid of medians and a lane of parking. So I am waiting for a response or a refutation or a successful rebutal. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon May 23 09:19:37 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by JerBear on Mon May 23 09:09:18 2016. I don't know anyone, even people that occasionally agree with you, that would say your refutations are ever successful. Too often it comes down to arguments over definitions, when you hold definitions different from others and claim victory based on your definition. And sometimes I just get tired of arguing with you because I am trying to learn and discover and seek out truth and you think you know it already and aren't searching. And when we do successfully refute you, you ignore it or change the subject. To wit: I am still waiting on a response from you from March. On March 9th you said: "Similarly no one has suggested getting rid of existing medians and a lane of parking. MORE LIES FROM YOU!" I then provided a link to the meeting materials where some citizen suggested getting rid of medians and a lane of parking. So I am waiting for a response or a refutation or a successful rebutal.Great post, JerBear! Thanks for sharing! |
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Posted by nostalgia on Mon May 23 12:24:33 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by JerBear on Mon May 23 09:09:18 2016. Give up and stop waiting. He's not interested in a meaningful discussion. He suffers from an inferiority complex and attention deficit disorder. He is only interested in getting attention and winning. And when he's not winning, he changes the rules so he wins.He wants you to waste your time thinking you can have an intelligent conversation with him. There's no intelligence at the other end, only low self-esteem. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon May 23 12:31:57 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by nostalgia on Mon May 23 12:24:33 2016. LOL! Having trouble following the thread and/or with reading comprehension? JerBear was talking about BrooklynBus! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 23 16:45:57 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by JerBear on Mon May 23 09:09:18 2016. It rings a bell, but I need to know the context of the discussion to comment. Perhaps I when I said "no one" I was referring to DOT and the MTA. I can't be sure without more info. I don't deliberately avoid answering questions. I might have missed the post. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 23 21:37:00 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat May 21 22:22:00 2016. Here is one.I predicted that Woodhaven general traffic would slow down to an average speed of 12 mph after DOT installs bus lanes on Woodhaven Boulevard. Andrew disagreed saying I was pulling numbers out of my ass and there would be no "carmeggedon" as I predicted. After the lanes were installed north of Metroolitan, drivers complained their trips increased by 20 to 40 minutes. I pointed that out and Andrew disagreed again stating anecdotes do not substitute for statistics. Now the numbers are in and DOT states that in the AM peak northbound, average car speeds declined from 19.5 mph to guess what? 12 mph. Also the 35 percent decrease in bus travel times never materialized. During the same time period, BUSES ARE ALSO TRAVELING SLOWER than they were before the bus lanes. It's all on slide 45 of their presentation. Here is another. I also predicted the B44 SBS would be a failure. During the first year paid ridership on the route declined by twice the borough average. So much so that no first year report was ever issued. There still has not yet been a second year report either. Many were arguing with me how successful the route would be. It never happened. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 23 22:19:22 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 23 21:37:00 2016. Links? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu May 26 17:40:41 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 23 22:19:22 2016. Finally an intelligent question.http://www.nyc.gov/html/brt/downloads/pdf/brt-woodhaven-may2016.pdf Look at slide 45. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu May 26 21:08:26 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 23 21:37:00 2016. "Now the numbers are in and DOT states that in the AM peak northbound, average car speeds declined from 19.5 mph to guess what? 12 mph. Also the 35 percent decrease in bus travel times never materialized. During the same time period, BUSES ARE ALSO TRAVELING SLOWER than they were before the bus lanes. It's all on slide 45 of their presentation."That is WITHOUT the street re-engineering. Idiots lead by yourself are fighting the left turn eliminations, which are what would reduce the congestion on Woodhaven. Don't complain as this is YOUR FAULT. Furthermore, Buses are moving faster at other times, as is traffic overall. So outside of the Northbound AM rush, it isn't causing the havoc you claimed (And for that matter, the NB AM Rush isn't that bad either...) "I also predicted the B44 SBS would be a failure. During the first year paid ridership on the route declined by twice the borough average. So much so that no first year report was ever issued. There still has not yet been a second year report either. Many were arguing with me how successful the route would be. It never happened. " They only issued reports for the first few SBS lines. Most bus route changes/introductions don't get any "first year reports" The B44 reductions were roughly in line with those of the lines parallel to it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 02:03:44 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by R30A on Thu May 26 21:08:26 2016. Owned!!!! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 27 09:09:25 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by R30A on Thu May 26 21:08:26 2016. Wrong. No additional street engineering is proposed for the section where bus lanes have already been implemented under the new plans.And if left turns were eliminated, how would the hundreds of cars wanting to make left turns every minute be adequately accommodated? The reinstitution of those turns proves, DOT first made the proposal before collecting turning volumes data, and now once they did that, they now see what the communities saw all along, that it just couldn't work. Now they have added a bus lane in their proposal between the LIE and Queens Blvd. when I told them that only two left turn lanes into Queens Blvd is inadequate, the response was well we haven't collected any traffic data yet and the proposal is preliminary. However, it is not preliminary on their website. They are claiming it is their final proposal. There aren't even any more workshops scheduled with the area where the proposal us being made. And yes the bus lanes are faster in the other time periods by negligible amounts. Point 5 mph. While the decrease in speed during the AM northbound is 38%, Bus travel times have not been and will never be decreased by 35 percent as DOT previosly claimed. In fact they increased also during the AM peak. And as for the B44, we have had the parallel lines conversation before. What was supposed to have happened was ridership was supposed to have increased. It did not, so there wasn't any improvement in that regard. As far as more people being helped than hurt with more minutes saved under the plan, we still do not know if that was the case, without any reports issued. If the results were positive, there would have been reports. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri May 27 09:21:03 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 27 09:09:25 2016. "Wrong. No additional street engineering is proposed for the section where bus lanes have already been implemented under the new plans."That is not actually true. They are not persuing it as part of this phase. I suspect the delay is because of the nutjob whiners you are leading. "And if left turns were eliminated, how would the hundreds of cars wanting to make left turns every minute be adequately accommodated?" By taking a different route. T "The reinstitution of those turns proves, DOT first made the proposal before collecting turning volumes data, and now once they did that, they now see what the communities saw all along, that it just couldn't work." No. It is them folding under ignorance of anti-transit advocates such as yourself. "Now they have added a bus lane in their proposal between the LIE and Queens Blvd. when I told them that only two left turn lanes into Queens Blvd is inadequate, the response was well we haven't collected any traffic data yet and the proposal is preliminary." lol. You keep on claiming they have not collected data. That is false. "However, it is not preliminary on their website. They are claiming it is their final proposal. There aren't even any more workshops scheduled with the area where the proposal us being made." Good. it sounds like the DOT is learning! "And yes the bus lanes are faster in the other time periods by negligible amounts. Point 5 mph. While the decrease in speed during the AM northbound is 38%, Bus travel times have not been and will never be decreased by 35 percent as DOT previosly claimed. In fact they increased also during the AM peak." They don't need to be decreased by 35 percent overall. Some people's travel times obviously will be. All depends on what trip one is taking. "And as for the B44, we have had the parallel lines conversation before. What was supposed to have happened was ridership was supposed to have increased." Who said ridership was supposed to have increased? "It did not, so there wasn't any improvement in that regard." In the middle of a huge drop in ridership. "As far as more people being helped than hurt with more minutes saved under the plan, we still do not know if that was the case, without any reports issued." Whether you know something is irrelevant. The MTA does. Any sane observer can tell that service has been greatly improved on all SBS lines. "If the results were positive, there would have been reports." Obviously false considering the lack of reports elsewhere. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 27 10:43:15 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by R30A on Fri May 27 09:21:03 2016. "By taking a different route"That is not an adequate response. We need to know what routes will be taken and how much additional time those detours will take. DOT proposed these turn restrictions before studying their effects. Take Metropolitan for example. First they said one of the alternates was for trucks to bake a 270 degree left turn. When I showed them that turn could only be made with great difficulty and woukd delay traffic, they abandoned that plan and instead proposed Trotting Coyrse Lane be made a two-way. When they were shown that was not feasible, they put back the left turn restriction at Furmanville and proposed a one mile detour. When that was also shown to be a poor alternative, they finally decided to collect sone data and concluded the left turns need to stay. So don't blame the "nutjobs" in the community. Blame the incompetents at DOT. They are not folding because of any pressure. They are folding because they finally realize their proposals to ban left turns woukd not have worked. I claim they have not collected data because I was quoting the DOT "engineer" who told me they have not yet collected data. "Good. It sounds like DOT is learning." Now you have completely discredited yourself if you believe that government has the right to do whatever it wants without any community input, which is what you just stated. No it is not obvious that sone people's travel times will be reduced when bus travel times also increase. And for every 5 people who save five minutes, it doesn't matter if 1,000 people will lose five minutes. SBS was supposed to reverse the trend of declining bus ridership. THAT WAS ONE OF ITS GOALS. Now you are saying it doesn't matter if that didn't happen. "Any sane observer can tell that service has been greatly improved on all SBS lines" By that definition, anyone who does not agree with that conclusion is either insane or a nutjob. Sounds like someone who has his mind made up and is unwilling to change it based on the facts. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 27 10:57:42 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by R30A on Thu May 26 21:08:26 2016. That is WITHOUT the street re-engineering.And without signal adjustments. Have any signal improvements been made out there, or is it still the old equipment? Furthermore, Buses are moving faster at other times, as is traffic overall. So outside of the Northbound AM rush, it isn't causing the havoc you claimed (And for that matter, the NB AM Rush isn't that bad either...) And Slide 44 of the presentation suggests that the cause for slower speeds is cars in the bus lane. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri May 27 11:08:40 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 27 10:43:15 2016. "That is not an adequate response. We need to know what routes will be taken and how much additional time those detours will take." No we don't. Besides, such is unknowable. "DOT proposed these turn restrictions before studying their effects. Take Metropolitan for example. First they said one of the alternates was for trucks to bake a 270 degree left turn. When I showed them that turn could only be made with great difficulty and woukd delay traffic, they abandoned that plan and instead proposed Trotting Coyrse Lane be made a two-way. When they were shown that was not feasible, they put back the left turn restriction at Furmanville and proposed a one mile detour. When that was also shown to be a poor alternative, they finally decided to collect sone data and concluded the left turns need to stay." Your causes here are made up. DOT should be ashamed about allowing political expediency get in the way of sound transit planning. And nobody would have had to make a one mile detour as has been shown time and time again. "So don't blame the "nutjobs" in the community. Blame the incompetents at DOT. They are not folding because of any pressure. They are folding because they finally realize their proposals to ban left turns woukd not have worked." No. They are folding because of idiots and nuts such as yourself. "I claim they have not collected data because I was quoting the DOT "engineer" who told me they have not yet collected data." You obviously misunderstand them. "Now you have completely discredited yourself if you believe that government has the right to do whatever it wants without any community input, which is what you just stated." The whole purpose of representative government is to restrict the direct input of citizens. "No it is not obvious that sone people's travel times will be reduced when bus travel times also increase. And for every 5 people who save five minutes, it doesn't matter if 1,000 people will lose five minutes." See RIPTA42's post. and yes, it is obvious that travel times for some will be reduced. "SBS was supposed to reverse the trend of declining bus ridership. THAT WAS ONE OF ITS GOALS. Now you are saying it doesn't matter if that didn't happen." Really? Cite it. "By that definition, anyone who does not agree with that conclusion is either insane or a nutjob. Sounds like someone who has his mind made up and is unwilling to change it based on the facts." I'd say either ignorant or insane. You are both. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 27 15:28:46 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by R30A on Fri May 27 11:08:40 2016. "No we don't. Besides, such is unknowable."It is IRRESPONSIBLE to make a proposal when you have no idea what the ramifications will be. I have previously shown you that a large truck or tractor trailer would gave great difficulty making the right turn you proposed into 73 Avenue and left onto Trotting Course Lane and another left onto Metropolitan as you proposed leaving the one mile detour to Furmanville as the only option. I am quite capable of understanding someone when they are speaking to me. Just because you don't line the answer I received doesn't give you the right to call me a liar. Now you want a reference that SBS was supposed to increase bus ridership? You would only discredit the source anyway so I won't even bother looking. And as I stated it doesn't matter if a few people save time when many more are inconvenienced. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri May 27 15:39:42 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 27 15:28:46 2016. "It is IRRESPONSIBLE to make a proposal when you have no idea what the ramifications will be." Nobody said they have no idea what the ramifications will be. "I have previously shown you that a large truck or tractor trailer would gave great difficulty making the right turn you proposed into 73 Avenue and left onto Trotting Course Lane and another left onto Metropolitan as you proposed leaving the one mile detour to Furmanville as the only option." Truck routes are specific to trucks and have not been publicized. "I am quite capable of understanding someone when they are speaking to me. Just because you don't line the answer I received doesn't give you the right to call me a liar." No. It is the fact that you repeatedly lie that gives me the right to call you a liar. That and the first amendment. "Now you want a reference that SBS was supposed to increase bus ridership? You would only discredit the source anyway so I won't even bother looking." Translation: You have no actual source for such, if I could so easily discredit it. "And as I stated it doesn't matter if a few people save time when many more are inconvenienced." A. It certainly could, depending on how much time they save. B. Many more are not being inconvenienced. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 27 16:32:10 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by R30A on Fri May 27 15:39:42 2016. Why am I wasting my time arguing with you?Now you say "Nobody said they have no idea what the ramifications will be." You previously stated it would be impossible for them to know what would happen as a result of their proposal. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 27 16:39:52 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 27 10:57:42 2016. And if the street was re-engineered to add islands to create service roads, the speeds would further decrease. That is why they should spend the next year adjusting the signals to see if they can improve the results, not extending this disaster to other parts of Woodhaven to also decrease the average mph.Buses are barely moving faster at times other than the AM rush, but the decline in average speed for cars is very significant at 38 percent. From 19.5 mph to 12 mph. Slide 44 may suggest the cause for slower bus speeds is cars in the bus lane. That has nothing to do with the major decline in auto speeds NB during the AM rush. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 27 16:44:04 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 23 22:19:22 2016. So now you have the link. I don't see any comment. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri May 27 20:33:16 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 27 16:32:10 2016. "Why am I wasting my time arguing with you?"My guess: You are trying to save face when myself and others point out how dishonest and clueless you are. But I suppose only you can truly answer! "Now you say "Nobody said they have no idea what the ramifications will be."" Correct! "You previously stated it would be impossible for them to know what would happen as a result of their proposal." I never did such. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 3 14:10:26 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by R30A on Fri May 27 20:33:16 2016. BrooklynBus: You previously stated it would be impossible for them to know what would happen as a result of their proposal.R30A: I never did such. REALLY NOW? Now you deny that you stated it would be impossible for them to know what would happen as a result of their proposal. This was the exact conversation: BrooklynBus: "That is not an adequate response. We need to know what routes will be taken and how much additional time those detours will take." R30A: "No we don't. Besides, such is unknowable." SO YOU DID SAY IT. AND NOW YOU ARE DENYING IT. That's why it is a waste of time arguing with you. Because you keep taking back what you previously stated. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jun 3 14:17:35 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 3 14:10:26 2016. My second statement has absolutely nothing to do with the first. Knowing the effects of a change does not require knowing the exact routes of each person who takes a different route. Such is unknowable. You CAN however accurately forecast what a change will do to traffic in an area. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 3 23:10:23 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by R30A on Fri Jun 3 14:17:35 2016. I was not talking about knowing the exact routes of each person who takes a different route so don't renterpret what I stated. I said if you ban a left turn, you need to know the detours drivers will take and you responded that it would be unknowable. So I responded that you shouldn't make changes if you can't forecast the results.Now you changed your position again by saying you can accurately forecast what the change will do to traffic in the area (whatever that means.) |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Jun 4 03:08:32 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 3 23:10:23 2016. I never changed my position. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Sun Jun 5 10:11:51 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 3 14:10:26 2016. If it's a waste of time arguing with him, why do you continue to argue? He will NEVER stop responding and you know he will continue changing what he previously wrote. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 5 12:17:57 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 3 14:10:26 2016. Its the ridiculousness of the whole argument that I find disturbing.At this point,it has become more of a schoolyard dozens game than a reasonable debate over facets of factual evidence. Truthfully,this HAS ran its course,and needs to die a staws death. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 5 12:19:12 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 5 12:17:57 2016. Typo: staws.Meant to say Straws... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jun 5 17:01:25 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by R30A on Sat Jun 4 03:08:32 2016. Say what you wish. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 5 23:10:05 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jun 5 17:01:25 2016. No, he'll say the truth. |
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