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Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 18 13:15:52 2016, in response to Re: Queens Public Transit Committee Rally, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 17 17:43:41 2016.

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Look at all the cars waiting to make a left turn there on the day before Mothers Day: I counted over 40 cars.
Yes, counting both the southbound left and the northbound left, there were at least 40 cars looking to turn left at that moment. That said, that momentary observation can not be used to prove anything (i.e. that banning left-turns would be 'BAD'). No matter if your conclusion is ultimately right or wrong, you would need more data than just that.

Those cars would have had to travel between a half mile and a mile extra.
I can't verify your statement but I know you've been wrong in the past on this topic.

It seems like they looked at a map, saw a wide street, and concluded without any data that all those lanes weren't necessary for general traffic and it would be a good idea to add a bus lane and ban 26 left turns (counting each direction separately) in April 2015.

Then when the community disagreed, they first started collecting data and realized banning all those left turns weren't such a good idea. So in December 2015, they decided to restore 8 of them and ban only 18. (Their newest document inaccurately claims that in April 2015 they proposed 18 left turn bans.

Now they go and collect even more data and now decide that only 6 turning movements could be banned without severely harming traffic. So they they have reduced the number of left turn bans from 26 to 6. This proves that they never really analyzed the effects of banning left turns when they were originally proposed.
If everything you said was actually true, including about DOT's attitude and how they presented this info, and what details they gave about the ongoing process, then I'd agree that DOT may not be doing things correctly. But I don't know if you're right about all that, and based on your history here, there's no way I can take your word for it.

The results of the bus lane installed north of Metropolitan Avenue shows traffic speeds declined by 38 percent from 19.5 mph to 12 mph northbound during the AM peak and bus speeds declined as well.
Where is the study stating this?

I guess DOT believes 12 mph is a reasonable speed for auto travel on a major arterial.
You realize that the autos are going faster than 12 mph, right?

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