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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 11:06:04 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 09:56:24 2016. "DOT privately admitted to me they don't see an increase in bus speed during the off-peak."Who says there has to be? "It stands to reason that less capacity results in increased traffic but logic isn't one of your strong points." No, it does not. Not if you aren't using all of your capacity, which you are not during the off peak. "I showed you how capacity is being reduced from 12 lanes to 6 at Metropolitan but you refuse to consider turning lanes saying they have no effect on capacity when they clearly do." You claim they clearly do. But they clearly don't. "When a dedicated right turn lane is eliminated and has to be shared with a through traffic lane as proposed through capacity is also reduced." No dedicated right turn lane is being eliminated at this intersection. "Your rant about a 6 lane segment is utterly meaningless because existing traffic on the six lane segment would be shifted to other roads you are not considering." LOL way to misunderstand the point. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 11:08:54 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 10:02:08 2016. "And when did they install SBS on the Q70?"Shortly they will in entirety, but the Q70 despite not being named such, operates much like a SBS route. "We are talking about SBS routes. Where is your data showing riders shifted from the M60 to the Q70 or Q33? Or are you relying on useless anecdotes?" I am relying on a basic understanding of where bus riders actually go. I don't think ANYONE could possibly take you seriously if you don't see how the M60 Q70 and Q33 are ENTIRELY connected. "And you still will be using 2007 data in 2050 as well as in 2025 to prove your case? I won't be here in 2050 to debate you but others will show you are stupid you are." It depends on what case one wants to make. If the case you are trying to make is: This list of improvements will result in higher ridership. YES. In the year 3000, 2007 data will still be the most valid, provided that people are still using buses. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 11:09:29 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 10:03:29 2016. No data, It is based on some pretty absurd statements that you made. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 11:11:32 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 10:12:14 2016. Entirely false. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 14:37:12 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 10:51:40 2016. If there is no change (which was documented by various accounts in local newspapers) why all of the sudden a renewed interest in making the street one-way southbound and a comment by DOT that it was not their intention fir drivers to use Alderton "to escape" from Woodhaven. DOT used the word "escape". So if traffic isn't horrific as a result if the bus lanes why are drivers trying to escape? |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 14:49:44 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 14:37:12 2016. Where does DOT use the term "to escape" ? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 15:22:14 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 11:03:21 2016. If you look at the numbers DOT provided the only possible scenario for drivers to outnumber bus passengers in a 24 hour period is the scenario I outlined and already explained to you.For the fifth time, if the peak hour is all that matters, then the proposal must apply to the peak hour only which it does not. IT IS A 24 HOUR PROPOSAL AND CAN ONLY BE JUSTIFIED WITH 24 HOUR DATA. "The intersection at Metropolitan WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE MORE CARS THAN PRIOR TO THUS PROJECT." ABSOLUTELY NO DATA TO SUPPORT THAT AND IT DEFIES ALL LOGIC. When can I sell you the Brooklyn Bridge? You believe every bit of nonsense DOT utters. The right turn lane will also be the through lane so cars will have to slow down. With a bus bulb and a bus lane and no left turn lane, only three other lanes reman which means one of the through lanes will also be act as a right turn lane. Therefore cars going through the intersection in the right lane will have to slow down if the car ahead makes a left turn. That slows down traffic and increases air pollution. So saying there will be separate right turn lanes IS INCORRECT. Show me one iota of proof to show the intersection. YOU HAVE NONE. It is blatantly unsafe only in your mind. Where is your data? You don't even have an anecdote. You shouldn't spend money solving a problem that doesn't even exist. Yes Woodhaven narrows to three lanes which is why no bus lane is proposed for the overpass. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 15:30:20 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 11:06:04 2016. If an exclusive bus lane does not increase bus speed during the off-peak, then there is no reason to install one.Cars and buses are traveling at the speed limit during the off-peak. There is no excess capacity because traffic is moderate not light. Fewer lanes would make the traffic heavier and slower. According to you, cutting the numbers of lanes in half would have no effect on traffic because off peak traffic is so light anyway. WHERE IS YOUR DATA TO SUPPORT THAT CONCLUSION. Any anecdotes perhaps? Any nonsense you spout is automatically true because Lincoln McMahon says its true. For a dedicated right turn to exist under the proposal, you couldn't install a bus bulb which is proposed. So you are misunderstanding the proposal because you fail to understand simple arithmetic. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 15:35:37 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 11:08:54 2016. So now a near SBS route qualifies as an SBS route because you can't make your point of increased ridership using real SBS routes.Yes. You don't need data to prove any of your points because all the ones you make are "plainly obvious". But any obvious statement I make is invalid without providing data. Not even anecdotes will do. THAT IS CALLED PLAYING ON A NON-LEVEL PLAYING FIELD." Anyone who believes that data from a hundred years earlier would still be valid and does not need to be updated doesn't know the first thing about collecting and analyzing data. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 15:37:34 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 11:09:29 2016. No more absurd than the ones made by Lincoln McMahon like data never needs to be refreshed and 100 year old data is still valid 100 years later. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 15:38:58 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 14:49:44 2016. It was a direct quote from Eric Beaton in an article several weeks ago. I don't have the link handy right now. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 15:39:16 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 15:22:14 2016. "If you look at the numbers DOT provided the only possible scenario for drivers to outnumber bus passengers in a 24 hour period is the scenario I outlined and already explained to you.For the fifth time, if the peak hour is all that matters, then the proposal must apply to the peak hour only which it does not. IT IS A 24 HOUR PROPOSAL AND CAN ONLY BE JUSTIFIED WITH 24 HOUR DATA." You repeat it over and over again, but that does not make it true. 24 hour data is wholly irrelevant to capacity concerns. Only the peak times actually matter. YES, EVEN FOR THINGS IN EFFECT 24 HOURS. ""The intersection at Metropolitan WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE MORE CARS THAN PRIOR TO THUS PROJECT." ABSOLUTELY NO DATA TO SUPPORT THAT AND IT DEFIES ALL LOGIC. When can I sell you the Brooklyn Bridge? You believe every bit of nonsense DOT utters." Same through capacity based on lane structure as there is a bottleneck immediately to the south. There will be the elimination of the left turn cycle, so there will be greater capacity. "The right turn lane will also be the through lane so cars will have to slow down." No. Right turn lane is separate from the through lane. Three through lanes, 1 right turn lane, so no, cars will not have to slow down. "With a bus bulb and a bus lane and no left turn lane, only three other lanes reman which means one of the through lanes will also be act as a right turn lane." No, The three through lanes will be through lanes. Right turning cars will be in the right turn lane. There is no bus bulb before the intersection. The bus bulb is AFTER the intersection in both directions. "Therefore cars going through the intersection in the right lane will have to slow down if the car ahead makes a left turn. That slows down traffic and increases air pollution. So saying there will be separate right turn lanes IS INCORRECT." No. Left turns will be prohibited, so this does not happen. "Show me one iota of proof to show the intersection. YOU HAVE NONE. It is blatantly unsafe only in your mind. Where is your data? You don't even have an anecdote. You shouldn't spend money solving a problem that doesn't even exist." The purpose of this project is NOT to make Woodhaven and Metropolitan safer. It is to make Woodhaven as a WHOLE safer, faster, and for bus service to be significantly improved. "Yes Woodhaven narrows to three lanes which is why no bus lane is proposed for the overpass." Which is exactly why 6 lanes, if there were such, would be useless here. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 10 15:40:07 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 15:30:20 2016. We found in Manhattan that eliminating the West Side highway did not result in monumental traffic jams on 11th and 12 Avenue.As Robert Moses proved, building more roads and bridges builds more traffic. So the reverse is also true. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 15:41:35 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 15:30:20 2016. If an exclusive bus lane does not increase bus speed during the off-peak, then there is no reason to install one."Cars and buses are traveling at the speed limit during the off-peak. There is no excess capacity because traffic is moderate not light. Fewer lanes would make the traffic heavier and slower." Speed is not the sole purpose of a bus lane. "According to you, cutting the numbers of lanes in half would have no effect on traffic because off peak traffic is so light anyway. WHERE IS YOUR DATA TO SUPPORT THAT CONCLUSION. Any anecdotes perhaps? Any nonsense you spout is automatically true because Lincoln McMahon says its true." LOL. They are not cutting the effective number of lanes in half in any location, so I am not saying that. "For a dedicated right turn to exist under the proposal, you couldn't install a bus bulb which is proposed. So you are misunderstanding the proposal because you fail to understand simple arithmetic." Since there is no bus bulb there, it won't conflict with the right turn lane. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 15:46:00 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 15:35:37 2016. "So now a near SBS route qualifies as an SBS route because you can't make your point of increased ridership using real SBS routes.Yes. You don't need data to prove any of your points because all the ones you make are "plainly obvious". But any obvious statement I make is invalid without providing data. Not even anecdotes will do. THAT IS CALLED PLAYING ON A NON-LEVEL PLAYING FIELD."You honestly think the Q70 has nothing to do with the M60? You don't think an entirely new route serving a largely overlapping market is disconnected? "Anyone who believes that data from a hundred years earlier would still be valid and does not need to be updated doesn't know the first thing about collecting and analyzing data." Actually, I do know a decent amount of collecting and analyzing data. WHEN you do something doesn't matter when you are determining what the effects are of an action. WHAT YOU DO does matter. Simple science. Seriously, Third grade stuff. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 15:49:04 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 15:37:34 2016. Actually, anybody who has any idea what they are talking about knows that 100 year old data is still valid for the conditions under which it was taken. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 15:57:50 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 15:38:58 2016. I'll happily wait. The suspense is in the air! |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 16:03:55 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 10 15:40:07 2016. While you are surely correct, This project doesn't even reduce overall capacity on Woodhaven! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 10 17:27:04 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 9 18:53:40 2016. Fewer lanes |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 17:45:42 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 10 17:27:04 2016. Depends on where. Same number in many places. More in a couple places. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 10 18:11:39 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 17:45:42 2016. I thought that this project involved turning general lanes into permanent bus lanes. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 18:25:33 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 10 18:11:39 2016. In many places, yes. In some of the narrower places, there will be no bus lanes. It is a total reengineering of the street. Today's lanes aren't going to be in the same location as the future lanes are. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 10 19:15:42 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 18:25:33 2016. Be nice if they built some pedestrian overpasses, like at Jamaica Av. |
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Posted by JerBear on Fri Mar 11 09:03:59 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 15:57:50 2016. "Beaton said the long-term SBS plan will take the possibility of motorists escaping down side streets into consideration."'Possibility'. And it's just the long-term plan which will be implemented at least 3 or 4 years from now, so DOT doesn't seem to think it's horrific right now. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 11 09:06:52 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by JerBear on Fri Mar 11 09:03:59 2016. Yes, like usual, it appears as if Rosen is either completely misunderstanding the sources, or simply making things up. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Mar 11 09:20:16 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 15:49:04 2016. EXACTLY. |
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Posted by JerBear on Fri Mar 11 09:22:24 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 11:11:32 2016. From the NYC Street Design Manual:"Motor vehicle level of service (LOS) is a major consideration in developing a project design because of the importance of maintaining traffic flow to the city’s economy. DOT therefore treats LOS as a priority." And later, under Table 1B (which itself lists average delay of vehicles at signalized and unsignalized intersections) : "Traffic engineers and planners use LOS analysis at signalized and unsignalized intersections to measure a project’s impact on vehicular traffic. They analyze and compare intersections under existing and “post-build” conditions. Under the CEQR Manual, project designs that worsen LOS to below mid-D in a model require a full environmental impact statement and often mitigation." No mention of limiting the use of the measure to highways. In fact, in the definitions in the glossery (j/k): "LOS. A methodology for measuring traffic flow based on traveler delay and congestion, defined in the Highway Capacity Manual (HCM). Gradesfrom A to F are used, from free flowto traffic jam conditions. Historically used primarily for motor vehicle traffic, LOS methodologies have also been devised for pedestrian, bicyclist,and transit operations." |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Mar 11 09:22:35 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 10:12:14 2016. HOLY SH!T. And on that bombshell, I'm done. No wait, who am I kidding, this is too good to leave be. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Mar 11 09:24:44 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 10:12:14 2016. WTF? You need to sit down and STFU right now. Does Woodhaven have intersections? Then those intersections have LOS. And thus you are wrong. Intersection LOS is the perfect way to evaluate how the BLVD will be effected. How do you not know this???? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Fri Mar 11 09:48:04 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by JerBear on Fri Mar 11 09:22:24 2016. Let's hope NYC thinks better of this soon.Relevant Streetsblog post |
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Posted by JerBear on Fri Mar 11 11:15:34 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Fri Mar 11 09:48:04 2016. But DOT uses LOS for measuring all modes, so it's already better than just prioritizing automobile throughput. And Vision Zero seems to take a page from Complete Streets. Although I have heard criticisms of the Complete Streets program because it leads to wholesale engineered rebuilds and misses the opportunity for small, cheap, temporary strategic solutions that might solve the problem without needing huge amounts of money and time. Like the pilot project in Times Square. Just start doing minor interventions all over the place, trying out possible solutions and measuring the results. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 11 12:33:04 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Fri Mar 11 09:48:04 2016. Huh? That article does not clearly state what is wrong with using LOS. And only using the number of new trips generated doesn't seem to make much sense without further details. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 11 12:36:29 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 10 09:56:24 2016. I showed you how capacity is being reduced from 12 lanes to 6 at MetropolitanNo you didn't. Link? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 11 12:39:31 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 15:46:00 2016. You are so right. BrooklynBus is so wrong. No one agrees with him here. If his claims are true that people on other forums agree with him, then those people might be morons and those forums must not have anyone of at least average intelligence to set them right. So sad. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 11 12:47:29 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 11 12:36:29 2016. Hyperlinks to hallucinations generally are invisible. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Mar 11 12:54:30 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 11 12:39:31 2016. It seems to me as if most people disagree with him in most places where he says things.I think it might have to do with him almost always being wrong when he says anything. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 11 13:01:21 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Fri Mar 11 12:54:30 2016. It seems to me as if most people disagree with him in most places where he says things.Good to hear. I think it might have to do with him almost always being wrong when he says anything.Makes sense. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Fri Mar 11 15:23:01 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 11 12:33:04 2016. Huh? That article does not clearly state what is wrong with using LOS.Yeah, it does, pretty clearly: "Level of Service, or LOS, is what traffic engineers cite when they shut down the possibility of transitways or bike lanes. It also leads to policy decisions like road widenings and parking mandates. Even environmental laws are structured around the idea that traffic flow is paramount, so they end up perpetuating highways, parking, and sprawl. Because if the top priority is to move cars — and not, say, to improve public safety or economic well-being — the result is a transportation system that will move a lot of cars while failing at almost everything else." |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Mar 11 15:53:31 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by fdtutf on Fri Mar 11 15:23:01 2016. Yes, I read that in the article. But like I commented, it doesn't actually say how LOS leads to those "bad" things. What is wrong with LOS and how does it lead to those bad things and why would using straight trip generation be so much better?? I'm very familiar with all of these concepts. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 11 17:08:48 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 15:39:16 2016. If you can't understand a simple concept like 24 hour data is necessary for a proposal in effect for 24 hours, there is no use wasting any more time on you. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 11 17:13:17 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 10 15:40:07 2016. First of all the West Side Highway was not eliminated. The elevated highway was replaced with an at grade boulevard so no capacity was lost, but trip tines increased with addition of traffic lights.And no one is talking about building more roads. If by the reverse you mean reducing capacity, in order to know if traffic is reduced you also have to survey all alternate routes to see the traffic effects there. DOT's analysis will ignore the alternates of the BQE, the Van Wyck and the Jackie Robinson. They may not even look at the parallel residential streets. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 11 17:13:48 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 16:03:55 2016. It certainly does. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 11 17:15:47 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 15:41:35 2016. The purpose of an exclusive bus lane is to increase the average bus speed. Period.I am not going to keep repeating my points since everything just goes in one ear and out the other. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 11 17:19:53 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 15:46:00 2016. You know nothing about collecting and analyzing data. When making a decision for tomorrow about anything, 100 year old statistics are meaningless. Circumstances change over time. Nothing remains stagnant. You fail to understand that. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 11 17:21:48 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 18:25:33 2016. Quit misleading.Exclusive bus lanes are planned all the way from Howard Beach to Queens Boulevard with only two exceptions. No bus lanes over and under the LIRR. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 11 17:27:26 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by JerBear on Fri Mar 11 09:03:59 2016. He also said they would look at making Alderton into a one way southbound. He said nothing about residents having to wait 3 or 4 years to alleviate a situation that is occurring today. And if he said escaping down side streets or escaping from Woodhaven Boulevard, it us still the same thing. ESCAPING. And if traffic were not moving slower due to the bus lanes, no one would be "escaping" which was my point.R30 insists that traffic is moving faster for everyone as a result of the bus lanes, and that obviously is not true. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 11 17:32:10 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by JerBear on Fri Mar 11 11:15:34 2016. We will see if DOT makes any of that LOS data public. Judging from the past, they will hide anything that appears unfavorable and cherry pick their data so as to make it appear favorable. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 11 17:35:05 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Mar 11 09:24:44 2016. I was going by wickipedia which stated LOS was a measure for highways. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 11 17:43:16 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Mar 11 12:36:29 2016. Each direction - present - 6 lanes. One right turn lane, four general traffic lanes, and one left turn lane. Total - 12 lanes.Proposed in each direction. Three general traffic lanes and one bus lane. Total - 6 general traffic lanes. Fifty percent reduction. Bus bulbs will be installed after the intersection but I believe the sidewalks will also be extended on the near side. If not, and the dedicated right turn lanes remain, the reduction will be from 12 lanes to 8 lanes or a 33 percent reduction. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 11 17:45:09 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 10 15:49:04 2016. But it has zero relevance on determining actions 100 years later. |
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