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George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Aug 24 22:38:21 2014

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TRAVEL ADVISORY - GEORGE WASHINGTON BRIDGE BUS STATION WILL BE CLOSED STARTING MONDAY, AUGUST 25, TO ALLOW FOR COMPLETE REDEVELOPMENT

Date: Aug 22, 2014
Press Release Number: 174-2014

Port Authority has installed a temporary trailer adjacent to the GWBBS to allow bus station services to continue during construction

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey will close the George Washington Bridge Bus Station (GWBBS) Monday, August 25 for approximately one year as work proceeds to modernize and fully redevelop the vital transportation facility. Throughout the construction process, bus service will continue to operate without interruption from the top level of the building; however, changes will be made to the location of bus loading and unloading platforms in order to allow work to proceed.

A temporary trailer has been installed adjacent to the GWBBS on Fort Washington Avenue and 179th Street to serve as an interim location for bus station services until the new building is completed. It will provide passengers with a climate-controlled passenger waiting area, public restrooms, ticketing and information services.

Starting Monday, access to the interior of the bus station will close. The passageway to the 175th Street subway station will also close that day, starting at 1 a.m. To access the subway station, commuters are advised to use the stairs on 177th Street and Fort Washington Avenue.

Jitney, long haul, and local buses will operate along the perimeter of the top level of the bus station. Departing passengers will access their bus platform via a temporary staircase on Fort Washington Avenue and 179th Street. Arriving passengers will exit their bus platform via an existing staircase to 178th Street. Customers can enter the Subway at 177th. Pickup for disabled passengers will remain on Fort Washington Avenue.

In June 2011, the Port Authority Board of Commissioners approved a $183.2 million renovation plan for the George Washington Bridge Bus Station. This project is expected to result in 324 direct jobs and direct payroll wages of $19 million. It will generate $31.7 million in total regional economic activity.

The new bus station will feature an array of first-class national and local retailers, new bus loading/unloading areas, passenger amenities and new ADA-compliant escalators and elevators from the subway and street to the bus station level.

The facility also will have new technology, improved signage and lighting, as well as new electronic communications that will provide passengers with improved arrival and departure information at key decision points throughout the building.

http://www.panynj.gov/press-room/press-item.cfm?headLine_id=2057

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by BusMgr on Mon Aug 25 17:53:28 2014, in response to George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Aug 24 22:38:21 2014.

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"The new bus station will feature an array of first-class national and local retailers . . . ." Why do I question that "first-class" retailers will set up shop here?

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 25 18:47:17 2014, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by BusMgr on Mon Aug 25 17:53:28 2014.

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Codeword for $4 coffee and $5 pizza slice

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Aug 25 19:10:22 2014, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by BusMgr on Mon Aug 25 17:53:28 2014.

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They probably couldn't afford the rent. In the morning people are in a rush to get out of there to work. That leaves the PM rush.

How busy is that place outside the rush hours?

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(CBS2 video) George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Aug 25 23:30:10 2014, in response to George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Aug 24 22:38:21 2014.

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(ABC7 video) GWB bus station.... TOO MANY STEPS

Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Aug 25 23:51:19 2014, in response to George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Aug 24 22:38:21 2014.

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The George Washington Bridge Bus Station in upper Manhattan is shut down for an expensive extreme year-long makeover.

Not everyone is happy about it.

A temporary trailer is serving as a waiting room, ticketing area, police base and operations.

Upstairs, buses are arriving and departing from the top level of the building.

Despite the posted signs, many commuters say they were caught off guard.

It's the biggest renovation project for the George Washington Bridge Bus Station in five decades.

"Too many steps, my feet no good. I walk step by step. One, one, one," a commuter said.

But riders like Really Caldwell say it comes at a price.

"I didn't know it was closed when I came over this morning. Otherwise I wouldn't have come. I came from Jersey," Caldwell said.

Riders describe chaos for the Monday morning commute, then an exhausting haul up a flight of stairs for the evening commute.

It's all because the terminal is closed for one year during construction.

"It might be difficult for the handicapped. I haven't seen a wheelchair area yet or an elevator," said Adrian Vivar, a rider.

Councilmember Ydannis Rodriguez says his office is getting a lot of complaints.

"I'm working with the Port Authority because there's not a wheelchair accessible right now. We need to put together an alternative," Rodriguez said.

With the complaints come praise for the $183 million project that's expected draw 600 permanent jobs in a new state of the art facility in Washington Heights.

"It's a long time coming; we have needed this for so long. It's just much needed. I'm looking forward to it. Not the next 12 months," said Jean Turano, a rider.

The trailer has been installed on Fort Washington Avenue and 179th Street to serve as an interim location for bus station services until the new building is completed.

It will provide passengers with a climate-controlled passenger waiting area, public restrooms, ticketing and information services.

To access the subway station, commuters are advised to use the stairs on 177th Street and Fort Washington Avenue.

Jitney, long haul, and local buses will operate along the perimeter of the top level of the bus station. Departing passengers will access their bus platform via a temporary staircase on Fort Washington Avenue and 179th Street. Arriving passengers will exit their bus platform via an existing staircase to 178th Street. Customers can enter the Subway at 177th. Pickup for disabled passengers will remain on Fort Washington Avenue.

The Port Authority says the new bus station will feature an array of first-class national and local retailers, new bus loading/unloading areas, passenger amenities and new ADA-compliant escalators and elevators from the subway and street to the bus station level.

The facility also will have new technology, improved signage and lighting, as well as new electronic communications that will provide passengers with improved arrival and departure information at key decision points throughout the building.

http://7online.com/traffic/george-washington-bridge-bus-terminal-closes-for-a-year-for-renovations/278783/

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by JAzumah on Tue Aug 26 01:37:51 2014, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Aug 25 19:10:22 2014.

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It isn't...yet.

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Re: (CBS2 video) George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Flxible4life on Tue Aug 26 22:13:32 2014, in response to (CBS2 video) George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Aug 25 23:30:10 2014.

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Damn, they're (CBS News) are giving these jitneys lots of face time than NJ Transit buses.

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Re: (ABC7 video) GWB bus station.... TOO MANY STEPS

Posted by Flxible4life on Tue Aug 26 22:23:48 2014, in response to (ABC7 video) GWB bus station.... TOO MANY STEPS, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Aug 25 23:51:19 2014.

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Obviously the news people interviewed those that don't know nothing about the closing. There are signages in the building before closing I bet and on NJ Transit website and NJT G.W.B bus schedules. Obviously a lot of these commuters should know that NJ Transit vehicles do not pick-up or drop off on NYC streets unless it's ADA wheel-chair. The ADA part will change once the renovations are complete. This time people using wheelchairs or motor scooters have to use the new elevator, but we will see

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Re: (ABC7 video) GWB bus station.... TOO MANY STEPS

Posted by Joe on Wed Aug 27 11:19:07 2014, in response to Re: (ABC7 video) GWB bus station.... TOO MANY STEPS, posted by Flxible4life on Tue Aug 26 22:23:48 2014.

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The NJT timetables say that persons wishing wheelchair pick-up or drop-off at either PABT or GWB must telephone a 973 number and make arrangements for street pick-up or drop-off. I'm fairly certain that the second-floor terminal at GWB has no roadway connection to Manhattan. Access is only to/from New Jersey. I wonder how the Fort Washington Avenue location could be reached, or whether NJT might substitute a van for that person.

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Re: (ABC7 video) GWB bus station.... TOO MANY STEPS

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 27 11:42:59 2014, in response to Re: (ABC7 video) GWB bus station.... TOO MANY STEPS, posted by Joe on Wed Aug 27 11:19:07 2014.

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It does have access from Manhattan.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Aug 27 14:59:23 2014, in response to George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Aug 24 22:38:21 2014.

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I never knew there was a bus station building for the George Washington Bridge. Interesting, another must see next time I'm in New York.

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Re: (ABC7 video) GWB bus station.... TOO MANY STEPS

Posted by Joe on Thu Aug 28 12:03:35 2014, in response to Re: (ABC7 video) GWB bus station.... TOO MANY STEPS, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 27 11:42:59 2014.

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Spider-Pig answered "It does have access from Manhattan."
I'm still puzzled about access to the upper level of the GWB terminal. If convenient, would you or someone tell me the Manhattan street (and nearest intersection) from which the upper level of the GWB Terminal can be accessed? I know the vans or jitneys enter the lower level from West 179th Street, but using Google Street View I cannot find any ramp to the upper level from a Manhattan street. I have searched from Riverside Drive (access only to I-95 or city streets, not to the upper level) all the way to Wadsworth Avenue. In the block between Broadway and Wadsworth Avenue, some gates look suspicious (maybe a ramp there?), but nothing else shows up.

Many thanks.

Joe

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Re: (ABC7 video) GWB bus station.... TOO MANY STEPS

Posted by kcram3500 on Thu Aug 28 12:39:25 2014, in response to Re: (ABC7 video) GWB bus station.... TOO MANY STEPS, posted by Joe on Thu Aug 28 12:03:35 2014.

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From W179, you take the ramp for the GWB upper level, but before you actually merge into I-95, there's a left turn and a crossover that heads to W178. If you make a hard left, you take the ramp to the upper level. Same thing coming out of the upper level - that same crossover takes you to W178 - this is how the M98 entered the upper level for many years.

In the image, the red lines show the way in, the blue lines the way back out to Manhattan.


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Re: (ABC7 video) GWB bus station.... TOO MANY STEPS

Posted by Joe on Thu Aug 28 13:14:50 2014, in response to Re: (ABC7 video) GWB bus station.... TOO MANY STEPS, posted by kcram3500 on Thu Aug 28 12:39:25 2014.

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Many thanks! You have answered a puzzle I've had about the GWB bus station since the 1960's! I never spotted the bridge that allows that turn-around!
Joe

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Joe on Tue Mar 14 10:57:18 2017, in response to George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Aug 24 22:38:21 2014.

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As of 3.14.2017, the New York Times website includes a story written the previous day, "Manhattan's Other Bus Terminal, Running Years Late." Most of the article discusses the fate of the small retailers who had left the old second floor or those who planned to enter the renovated quarters, now long delayed. There is a good photo of the waiting room in a trailer on Fort Washington Avenue and another photo of the flight of stairs to departing buses. Nothing is said of the "island" (my term) being constructed in the center of the departure (third) level. As far as I can figure, the buses will loop the island, heading nose into slots on east and west sides. Probably elevators or escalators will connect this to the shopping center or street level, though one must remember that the streets rise westward from Broadway to Fort Washington Avenue.
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I also point out the headline should read Station, not Terminal.


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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 11:45:07 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Joe on Tue Mar 14 10:57:18 2017.

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They should have run the 8th Avenue local trains to Fort Lee over the GWB and tear down that albatross.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 14:17:28 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 11:45:07 2017.

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And how would they ascend to that height?

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 14:19:25 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Joe on Tue Mar 14 10:57:18 2017.

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I have pictures somewhere from a tour of the terminal while it was still under construction last year.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 14 14:26:08 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 14:17:28 2017.

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The lower level lands BELOW street level.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 14:36:17 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 14:17:28 2017.

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It was the plan all along. They can handle a 5% grade. The 168th Street yard points right to it. That's why the bridge's lower level was built for it.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 14 14:39:03 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 11:45:07 2017.

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Does Fort Lee want a bus terminal? I doubt it. And by the time the GWBBS was built, it was too late to run trains over the GWB, since both levels had been devoted to motor traffic.

The Station has been described as looking bird-like, so I guess it could be an albatross, but I don't think it is one in the way you mean. I remember when Short Line ran regular service from there, with passengers told to "Change at Paramus" (for buses from PABT) for destinations not served directly. All longer-distance buses operated out of the ground floor, using driveways to and from 178th and 179th Streets, rather than from upstairs using the ramps to and from the Bridge. There were even a few buses that didn't use the GWB at all, but instead ran to/from the Washington (18st St.) Bridge and the Cross Bronx Expressway. With all buses now to arrive and depart from the upper level, will some be allowed to make what amounts to a U-turn before getting on the Bridge and enter city streets via the 178th St. exit ramp from the upper level, or will the Bus Station be strictly for buses crossing the GWB?

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 14:43:29 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 14 14:39:03 2017.

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Who cares what they want, and there was time to build it from the 1930's when the IND was built.

GWB (wikipedia)

October 24, 1931; 85 years ago (upper level)
August 29, 1962; 54 years ago (lower level)

I suspect we can chalk that one up to Robert Moses.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 15:14:50 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 14:36:17 2017.

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Sorry, for some dumbass reason I was thinking the NY Central line along the Hudson. Where would you send it on the NJ side?

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 15:15:12 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 14 14:26:08 2017.

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Yeah my bad, I was thinking NY Central instead of IND, brain fart

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 15:23:49 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 14 14:39:03 2017.

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Yes, you can still make the u-turn to either go back into the terminal or down to street level. So buses from, say, New England can access it as well. TBH though, they really fucked up with the reconstruction of the terminal. I took a tour for perspective operators and they designed it for commuters and not-intercity. The waiting room is TINY with enough seating for at best 1 bus load of passengers. As an operator, for what they're charging there, it's just not worth it to me. Washington Hts, Inwood, and Marble Hill/Riverdale (and even then, the 1 train doesn't have direct walking access to the station) are really all that are convenient to it, along with parts of the Bronx if going by car/city bus. Anything else south of there is just as quick a ride to the PABT. I would rather cross the bridge and use the Fort Lee station (which I've even done just as a charter driver coming back from Michigan once) and another spot in the Bronx where I'm the clearly more convenient option over the PABT.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 15:51:29 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 15:14:50 2017.

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Fort Lee

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 16:09:36 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 15:51:29 2017.

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That's a given, but after Fort Lee

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 16:11:59 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 16:09:36 2017.

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That's enough. Hub the buses there, like JSQ.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Mar 14 22:07:09 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 14:43:29 2017.

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We can chalk it up to the fact the bridge was designed for future expansion when there was a need for such. The same thing happened at VNB in 1969.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 00:29:34 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 14:43:29 2017.

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Still bummed they obliterated any chance at rail on the Tappan Zee replacement. Couldn't squeeze in two measly tracks? The fatal flaw was trying to run them into the Hudson line - instead, they should have lofted them over 287 and merged them into the Harlem line. Capacity could be addressed by re-instating the 4th track south of Scarsdale, and the two tracks through Hartsdale. If through tracks were really needed they could tunnel them under the existing Scarsdale ROW and trains would use electric mode for that brief portion.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Asgard on Wed Mar 15 00:32:04 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 00:29:34 2017.

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4th track south of Scarsdale?

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 07:37:07 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Mar 14 22:07:09 2017.

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I suspect Moses kept the trains off to eventually allow highway expansion.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Mar 15 08:05:02 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 00:29:34 2017.

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There is a provision for rail on the new tappen zee

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 15 09:55:56 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 00:29:34 2017.

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Actually, one of the proposals was for a cross-county rail line through White Plains to Rye. I assume a track connection could have been built to the Harlem at WP.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 21:29:56 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Asgard on Wed Mar 15 00:32:04 2017.

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The ROW is 4 tracks wide, and for the longest time there were only the two outside (local) tracks. About a decade ago they restored one of the center tracks.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 22:29:03 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 00:29:34 2017.

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The fatal flaw was trying to run them into the Hudson line - instead, they should have lofted them over 287 and merged them into the Harlem line

How is that a "fatal flaw" and how would the Harlem Line really have been better, what with the grades needed to get to it?

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 22:29:36 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Mar 15 08:05:02 2017.

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Sure there is. They've only announced there would be no rail several years ago.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 22:30:13 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 15 09:55:56 2017.

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Two-seat ride to Manhattan means no go.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Asgard on Wed Mar 15 22:58:00 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 21:29:56 2017.

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"Restored"? I don't think there were ever more than two tracks north of Fleetwood.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 16 00:02:49 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Asgard on Wed Mar 15 22:58:00 2017.

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Looks like 3 to me with space for a fourth.

Crestwood 1981:




I can't find images of the other stations from before 1986 (no third track then).


Regardless, the ROW is 4 tracks wide for most of the 3 track section between Mount Vernon West and Scarsdale, as well as through Hartsdale.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Mar 16 02:28:34 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 22:29:03 2017.

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Whatever grades were needed could have been spread over the distance from the Hudson River to the Harlem Line. Trying to get to the Hudson Line would mean doubling back from the bridge level to the river level, or constructing expensive ramps over the water.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 16 08:36:37 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Mar 16 02:28:34 2017.

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Whatever grades were needed could have been spread over the distance from the Hudson River to the Harlem Line

That'll make it five times longer than it ought to be. And a lot slower too.

Trying to get to the Hudson Line would mean doubling back from the bridge level to the river level, or constructing expensive ramps over the water

They'll already be doing that trying to reach the Harlem Line.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Mar 18 09:47:27 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 16 08:36:37 2017.

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How would the Harlem route be "five times longer"?

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 19 20:18:36 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Mar 18 09:47:27 2017.

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It'll be torturous trying to create a low-grade access route to the Harlem Line. I-287's right of way already has several curves, grades not conducive to rail for the 100-foot climb from Tarrytown to White Plains, and no room to construct a parallel rail route; looks like this was not included in the plan for the bridge. And then there would be the matter of a high-enough-speed curve from such a route onto the Harlem Line. The possibility of NIMBY opposition in Elmsford (a former railroad town, which wouldn't exist without the Putnam Division) and Fairview would need to be touched on as well.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 20 14:56:58 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 19 20:18:36 2017.

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The EIS had various alternate routes for rail from Tarrytown to Rye via White Plains. I believe they addressed some of the points you raise, though probably did not envision a track connection to the Harlem Line.

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Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

Posted by Joe on Tue May 16 09:43:30 2017, in response to George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Aug 24 22:38:21 2014.

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WCBS reports that the new station opened this morning, May 16, 2016.

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    Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

    Posted by Joe on Tue May 16 09:44:22 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Joe on Tue May 16 09:43:30 2017.

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    CORRECTION: Today is May 16, 2017.

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    Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

    Posted by northshore on Tue May 16 12:10:38 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Joe on Tue May 16 09:44:22 2017.

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    WOW!! Well worth the 2-year delay and multi-million dollars of cost overruns. It is something we can all be proud of. Thank you PANYNJ!

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    Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014

    Posted by hound on Tue May 16 20:30:41 2017, in response to Re: George Washington Bridge Bus Station will be closed for a year starting 8/25/2014, posted by Joe on Tue May 16 09:43:30 2017.

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    You would think the driver should know how to pull the bus all the way into the platform.


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