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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 21:33:00 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 15 21:26:58 2012. Branches are to be avoided unless absolutely necessary.I also commented there. I think the solution may be to operate on Fillmore Mon-Fri, and Avenue U on the weekends. How does that sound to you? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 15 21:41:46 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 21:33:00 2012. I would alternate, calling one of them the B101, on weekdays, and only via KP on weekends. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue May 15 22:18:41 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 21:27:19 2012. Not really. The most efficient routes are actually the N40/41, which travel entirely within Nassau County. Plus, I've heard that the N6 (which is also pretty efficient) gets a lot of intra-Nassau riders from Elmont to Hempstead (it goes from Jamaica to Hempstead but there is a decent amount of turnover). The N15 is pretty cost-efficient and there are probably a couple of other intra-Nassau routes I'm leaving out. |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Tue May 15 23:49:58 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 15 17:02:44 2012. B 7 needs work, it is in serious need of modification... Basically 80% of the Brooklyn system needs to be modified.....In regards to the B 48 is there still a demand for B 48 service along Nassau Av? |
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Posted by hound on Wed May 16 01:54:33 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Tue May 15 07:46:58 2012. I rode trolleys in Bklyn & I know what I'm talking about. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 16 03:02:26 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by hound on Wed May 16 01:54:33 2012. never rode one In Brooklyn..but I wish I could..The MTA is afraid of the tech.. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Wed May 16 06:50:40 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 14:15:30 2012. Politics has a lot to do with who is in power, i.e. the party or the individual.- The current Mayor threw away his involvement in mass transit (buses). - For the current governor it's almost off his radar screen. - The current president favors mass transit, but the republican canidate doesn't. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Wed May 16 06:54:07 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 19:27:16 2012. You make a very good point that I agree with.I feel NICE lost a great opportunity to add a Express E-W bus service, i.e. it made it a "limited" instead :-( |
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Posted by Mr RT on Wed May 16 06:56:26 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 18:33:00 2012. Just travel in the areas that Brookly Bus is talking about & see all the parking spots filled on the streets. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Wed May 16 07:02:10 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by hound on Wed May 16 01:54:33 2012. Are you sure they didn't have a skinny dog on the side :-) |
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Posted by Mr RT on Wed May 16 07:04:01 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 16 03:02:26 2012. In East Haven CT we have the first PCC that entered service, plus some older trolleys, e.g. 1792 is the type that gave the Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers their name ! |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Wed May 16 07:19:39 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Wed May 16 06:56:26 2012. I do know that area decently well and it is difficult to find parking there. Plus who would want to travel within a borough entirely with local buses. There are a lot of cases where taking the Express Bus to Manhattan is faster than taking a local bus to a certain destination within a borough. There are also cases that the if you are going from one neighborhood to the other within the same borough, it is more convenient to take a Subway to Manhattan and transfer to the Express bus (i.e. going to/from Astoria to the Rockaways and Astoria to NE Queens at certain times of the day). |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Wed May 16 07:27:39 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Wed May 16 06:50:40 2012. Marty Golden in a State Senator Southern Brooklyn passed the buck on the case of the B4 service cut and fought for the X37 and X38. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 16 08:16:18 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 15 20:47:01 2012. LoL u mad? That's right. U mad. Hahahahahaha! |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 16 08:19:38 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by hound on Wed May 16 01:54:33 2012. Pwn3d |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed May 16 09:38:39 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 15 20:47:01 2012. LOL Edwards i dont know who ticks you off more him or Steve..Ill say him with Steve a close second... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 16 12:56:15 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue May 15 17:41:52 2012. For the car service, it's obviously enough cars lined up that he would consider it to be significant, and it would be noticable to the average person passing by the station. But we often have differences of opinion as to what is significant. Hence I'm asking for numbers... You honestly expect him to count every single car waiting for a passenger? Yes. But not just that, as that would be easy (and useless by itself)! What I want is what I simply asked of him many posts ago: And in your experience, how many cars are waiting for each arriving subway train? And how many of those cars depart with one or more passengers after each arriving subway train? It's like on another forum, when somebody said "How many people were in the crowd", the only thing the guy responded was "Enough to say there was a crowd". How is this like that at all? I'm not asking for counts of hundreds of people at a time! I'm asking for the number of car service vehicles waiting and the number that depart with one or more passengers. Why is that hard to provide? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 16 13:24:06 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 18:20:47 2012. It's alright for you to conclude that bus service is not a problem without any facts Not only did I not make any such conclusion, I also never said that such a conclusion was "alright". So what are you talking about? All I'm doing is asking you a few questions. But instead of answering the questions, you started ranting. Why can't you just answer the questions so we can have a nice conversation? it isn't okay for me to conclude it is a problem after hearing the community continuously complain about it. It's ok for you to conclude that the community THINKS it's a problem and as such should be looked into. But it's not ok to conclude that it IS a problem. That happens after it is looked into. Double standard isn't it? Not at all, since you didn't make a valid comparison, as I just explained. To answer you question there are always six cars in front of the station, and when the B4 is not running, the number goes up to 12. And how many of those cars leave after each train arrives (with and without the B4 running)? In other words, it makes a big difference if every weekend train results in 12 car trips (every car takes a passenger and leaves and is replaced immediately by 12 more cars) or only say four car trips (only four of the 12 cars takes a passenger and leaves and is immediately replaced by four more cars). Now do you want me to provide you with exact dates and times I witnessed this so you can perform your very erudite analysis? Huh? What's with all the ridiculousness? Was I not 100% clear when I asked the following VERY SIMPLE questions: And in your experience, how many cars are waiting for each arriving subway train? And how many of those cars depart with one or more passengers after each arriving subway train? Why do you feel it necessary to make all these dumb comments instead of just answering the simple questions with simple answers? You claim that I'm the one who can't have a nice conversation when it is you who keeps interjecting stupid things that aren't part of the conversation??? What type of evidence would you need to conclude that service is needed on the weekends? I would look at how many riders apparently want to ride the bus on weekends. The MTA showed higher numbers of riders using the B4 on weekends (2300 daily) when it was discontinued than during the rush hours and middays when they decided to retain it. (2100). I don't understand. You're saying that in the report that came out before the big service cuts, the B4 had 2100 daily weekday riders and 2300 daily weekend riders? If you already have ridership numbers then why in the heck did you even start talking about car service vehicles???? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 16 13:27:28 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 19:27:16 2012. My point is that in areas where there is a lot of car ownership you have to make mass transit attractive in order to encourage it. Why do we need to encourage mass transit? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 16 13:28:36 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Wed May 16 06:56:26 2012. Just travel in the areas that Brookly Bus is talking about & see all the parking spots filled on the streets. What dense residential areas of NYC don't have all the parking spots filled on the streets? I don't see your point. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 21:07:39 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 16 13:24:06 2012. Now you say that you never said the lack of bus service wasn't a problem. Previously you stated " There's no point discussing the problem (inadequate bus service) when there is no problem at all"See how you just go around in circles and that's why it is impossible to have a conversation with you. You seem to imply that if you knew exactly how many people used car service, you would be able to state unequivocally if it was a problem or not. If I told you that between 7 and 11 PM 25 people used car service, would that mean there was a bus problem? What if I told you it was 50 people? Would it be a problem then? How about 75 or 100? Or maybe 200, 250, or 300? 500 or 1,000? Tell me where would you draw the line? What makes you such am expert that you could give a definitive answer? Or would you ask then for all the addresses everyone was going to so you knew if they coud have taken the B4 or not? Now do you see the absurdity of your questions? And your last statement shows your total ignorance asking why I started talking about car service vehicles if I knew how many we're inconvenienced. I was trying to show there was a need for the bus service by bringing up car services. You were the one who took a single statement and blew it up to a major production. I'm through wasting my time with you. Just go and talk to yourself. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Wed May 16 22:03:42 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by B49 Limited on Tue May 15 23:49:58 2012. I realize your right the B7 north of Linden Blvd. parallels To B60 and B47 so it can be reouted to Linden Blvd. I would than have the B7 continue along Linden Blvd. and extend the B7 route into Ozone Park, Queens terminating at Aqueduct/Resorts Casino via LindenBlvd./ Conduit Blvd. to Cross Bay Blvd. than Cross Bay to either Pitkin Avenue to Centreville Street (with gate opening) or Rockaway Blvd. to Aqueduct. I would create a combined B13/B20 & B13/B83 Gateway loop bus similar to what NICE did with the N2 & N8 routes. By the way do you have any input with NYCT/MTA Bus Operation planning? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 17 00:43:13 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Railman718 on Wed May 16 09:38:39 2012. Nah..none of them get under my skin...they think too small.I just give them a bit of the crap they dish out back.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 17 00:49:46 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 21:07:39 2012. Why would you even bother?He NEVER adds anything to the topic..it better to ignore him. |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Thu May 17 02:48:26 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Nyctransitman on Wed May 16 22:03:42 2012. Im not feeling the Gateway loop routes , but B 7 to Aqueduct and the future Convention center from mid brooklyn is not a bad idea in the long run. In terms of looping service (similar to N2/ N8) the B 67 and B 69 currently is set up for it, I don't understand why was not done in the first place. (so far it is a good thing if you believe in the Atlantic Yards development in the next couple of years)As for me having input in Ops Planing.... No but I wish.... lol. I have been studying bus routes since I was in high school. Just wish I knew (what I know now 10 years later) what degree to educate myself more back then to actually become one. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 17 13:13:13 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 21:07:39 2012. Now you say that you never said the lack of bus service wasn't a problem. Previously you stated " There's no point discussing the problem (inadequate bus service) when there is no problem at all" UNBELIEVABLE. What is your problem with reading comprehension???? In the paragraph immediately preceding the text you just quoted, I wrote: "I'm not making a point yet. Again, I'm trying to gather all the necessary information to determine whether or not your conclusion makes logical and factual sense." So thus isn't it like 2000% obvious that my statement that you quoted was talking theoretically or hypothetically (or whatever the correct term is) about a situation where it would be found that bus service is not a problem?????? I was explaining why I was asking these questions and why I didn't have a point to make - because I wanted to determine first whether there was actually a problem! And I couldn't even begin to determine that until you answered my questions - which you hadn't yet at that point! So why would I have been saying that the lack of buses was not a problem??!?!!?!? Why can't you understand this stuff?? See how you just go around in circles and that's why it is impossible to have a conversation with you. Nope. As I just showed, you completely misunderstood a very simple thing that I wrote and that caused YOU to go around in circles. YOU are the problem, as I have said TIME and TIME again. You seem to imply that if you knew exactly how many people used car service, you would be able to state unequivocally if it was a problem or not. Here we go again. I implied no such thing. I clearly stated this: "You want to claim that bus service is inadequate based on the car service activity. So you need to have an idea of the number of people coming out of the subway and taking car services. You can't make such conclusions without even knowing the basics! That is one reason why you are wrong so much. You don't do a logical analysis." And this: "I'm trying to gather all the necessary information to determine whether or not your conclusion makes logical and factual sense. You want to claim that bus service is inadequate based on the car service activity. I suspect that your conclusion, or at least the process you used to reach it, is flawed. And thus I'm gathering information to see if that is or is not the case." What about either of those says that I wanted to know "exactly how many people used car service" or that I "would be able to state unequivocally if it was a problem or not"? Again, I'm simply gathering the evidence directly related to the process you used to come to a conclusion about bus service. I want to use that evidence, along with possibly other evidence as well as some educated guesses, all of which I would explain, to evaluate your conclusion and the process you used to reach it. Is this clear now? If I told you that between 7 and 11 PM 25 people used car service, would that mean there was a bus problem? What if I told you it was 50 people? Would it be a problem then? How about 75 or 100? Or maybe 200, 250, or 300? 500 or 1,000? Tell me where would you draw the line? What makes you such am expert that you could give a definitive answer I wouldn't give a definitive answer. I would give an answer based on my chosen analysis process, which I would explain, and which I felt is fair and logical and justified. I would also need to gather additional information once you gave me the car service numbers so I wouldn't have an answer for you immediately. Unlike you, before I come to a conclusion, I take REASONABLE CARE TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE SO THAT I DO NOT END UP COMING TO AN OBVIOUSLY OR EVEN NOT SO OBVIOUSLY STUPID CONCLUSION. When I come to a conclusion and state it on this forum, I do so only after I am pretty sure that it would stand up to the level of peer review appropriate for an intellectual, serious, discussion forum setting. Your problem is that once you have your conclusion, you don't seem to want any peer review, you don't want it questioned, you don't want to give more details, and you don't want to be challenged. You want it to be accepted and held as fact to be used in other discussions. And that's simply not how it works. You may be able to get some or many people to go along with you, but you won't be able to convince the people who actually take intellectual interest in these topics to go along with it. Or would you ask then for all the addresses everyone was going to so you knew if they coud have taken the B4 or not? Now do you see the absurdity of your questions? Nope. My questions are not absurd at all. I know where to draw the line at what can be reasonably be answered, and then I know how to make educated guesses and/or look for other sources to get the additional info I need to build upon the answers I receive from you. So instead of all this stupid back and forth, you could have just, I dunno, ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS, and if you didn't know the answers to the questions I ASKED (and not the ones you thought I was going to ask next), then you could have simply said so. And your last statement shows your total ignorance asking why I started talking about car service vehicles if I knew how many we're inconvenienced. I was trying to show there was a need for the bus service by bringing up car services. That doesn't make any sense. If you already know that 2300 people per day are "inconvenienced", then what do the car services add to the discussion (at least in the incomplete/misleading/ridiculous form you first mentioned them - i.e. "Just ask all the people who must rely on car services because of inadequate bus service.")? You were the one who took a single statement and blew it up to a major production. Nope, that's what you have done. You started whining and ranting instead of simply answering. All I did was ask two simple questions about a statement that YOU made. Are we not allowed to ask questions about your statements? Is this not a discussion board? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 17 13:13:57 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 17 00:49:46 2012. And posts like this are just one reason why you have little to no credibility on this forum. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 17 20:36:56 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 17 13:13:57 2012. Its amazing how pavement doesn't give.Posts like MINE are the reason WHY YOU are a joke...on this forum. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 18 14:56:45 2012, in response to Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 14 13:25:32 2012. The Town Hall video is now posted on Sheepsheadbites blog |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Fri May 18 16:15:44 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 17 20:36:56 2012. Actually I'm usually correct in everything factual or logical that I post. No one has ever shown otherwise. They are all talk and no show. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 18 18:58:21 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by TERRapin station on Fri May 18 16:15:44 2012. That's only in your own mind.He just has to have the last word. Watch him answer this. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri May 18 21:43:34 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 18 18:58:21 2012. He just can't help himself no wonder others are getting tired of his act. You should learn to just ignore him most people here are. |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Fri May 18 22:46:12 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Railman718 on Fri May 18 21:43:34 2012. Agree... I immediately press the back button, once I see stupid childish comments appear.. I don't mind debates or arguments but when name calling or other "out of subject" comments begin, it makes me want to stop go on this site from time to time. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 19 00:57:08 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by TERRapin station on Fri May 18 16:15:44 2012. perhaps in your mind,that MIGHT be true.Your post makes you a liar,due to the VERY fact WE KNOW for a "FACT" that YOU ARE LYING. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Sun May 20 01:14:45 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by B49 Limited on Thu May 17 02:48:26 2012. Would they need to replace bus service along Saratoga Avenue if the B7 is rerouted to Linden Blvd. and further east or is the nearby B60 and B47 routes enough service? |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Sun May 20 10:27:46 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Nyctransitman on Sun May 20 01:14:45 2012. You would need a bus to serve Saratoga Av. The problem with the B 7 is that it doesn't serve everyone correctly, and its headways (20 - 30 min) does not make it any better. The B 7 ridership pattern is mostly Hasley - Church Av (from Bed - Stuy) then another group overlaps it from Lenox Rd - Flatbush Av (in both directions), and finally towards Bed - Stuy between Ocean Av - Pitkin Av. I have heard suggestions of rerouting the B 12 to serve Saratoga and T Boyland St, but that is a bad idea, and that is why I suggested originally (as also once posted) to serve via Brookdale Hospital. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun May 20 13:53:13 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by B49 Limited on Sun May 20 10:27:46 2012. On NYCTF, B35 suggested having the B7 serve Canarsie and take over the B17 branch to the Paerdegats (instead of doing to Midwood). It sounds like a good idea to me. |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Mon May 21 11:34:40 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun May 20 13:53:13 2012. Not bad but I would like it to extend into Ridgewood - B 20 terminal |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 21 13:09:45 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by B49 Limited on Fri May 18 22:46:12 2012. Please show examples in this thread. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 21 13:11:18 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 18 18:58:21 2012. No, it's actually true. I'm usually correct in everything factual or logical that I post. No one has ever shown otherwise. They are all talk and no show. Seriously. No one has even really tried to show otherwise. I invite someone to give it a shot. Post links to where I have been systematically wrong about factual matters. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 21 15:41:52 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 17 13:13:13 2012. You just said a whole lot and at the same time said absolutely nothing. Okay, I don't know the answers to your question about the exact number of people who use car service when they can't take the B4. But you now know that 2300 people on weekends were inconvenienced by not having the B4.So go ahead and do your analysis so you can decide if it is a problem or not that the B4 is not running to Knapp Street much of the time. We are all anxiously awaiting for your brilliant conclusion or you could just watch here why people from the neighborhood think there is a problem. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 21 17:35:41 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 21 15:41:52 2012. You just said a whole lot and at the same time said absolutely nothing. Completely false. Okay, I don't know the answers to your question about the exact number of people who use car service when they can't take the B4. I didn't ask that question. So go ahead and do your analysis Well, based on the fact that you can't provide any sense of an approximate turnover of car service vehicles from train arrival to train arrival, for any time period, and also based on the fact that you stated that there are just six more car service vehicles in front of the station when the B4 is not running versus when it is running, I would have to conclude that the quite abstract idea of "all the people who must rely on car services" should not serve as a reason for you to come to the conclusion that there is inadequate bus service that should be restored, with respect to all the other local bus cuts in 2010. All it seems to show is that some people use car services. Why does that make this service cut more worthy of being restored than any other service cut? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 21 19:00:23 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 17 13:13:13 2012. "Intellectual interest"...HUH?WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU LYING FOR THIS TIME? Who do you think you are fooling?The ONLY INTEREST YOU HAVE HERE is your usual asinine classless malevolent dishonest "debating skills" at TRYING to show someone up..or at most..screw up another thread with your venom. You have NEVER POSTED A BENEVOLENT POST HERE on THIS MESSAGE BOARD..Ever. You should RESPECT this gentleman's efforts..yet all you can EVER DO is being ridicule..malcontent..disaster..and whatever other hell you bring along. Whatever your reasoning behind this..I hope its worth it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 21 19:44:14 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 21 17:35:41 2012. Oh you didn't ask the question how many use car service when they can't take the B4?"What do you call this "How many car service cars leave after each train arrives.?" See what I mean about you going in circles? I am trying to talk to you as if you are a rational person which is obviously not the case. You change your story every second post and all you do is insult people and try to point out how you are superior. Of course your response woud be "False" followed by another accusatory statement so you can have the last word. As for your last question why this service cut is more worthy than the others, i never said that it was, only that it should not have been done. But there are those who do believe that, the people whose property values have declined since the cut. Maybe you should spend an hour to view the video of the residents and visitors to the area speaking. Just look for it on Sheepsheadbites. You are not worth my time to find the link for you. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 21 22:54:21 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 21 19:44:14 2012. We protect ourselves by any means..maybe its time he learns what that means? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue May 22 00:05:02 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 21 19:44:14 2012. The response later should be Interesting...I dont know why you even bother... |
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Posted by CJ on Tue May 22 00:20:49 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 21 13:11:18 2012. Terrapin Station. You saying that most of the things you post here is fact just proves your nothing, but bullshit. Like almost everyone here has had issues with you in some form and there is a very good reason why some users split and left Subchat in the first place. They'd rather not be here dealing with someone who attacks their opinions at will and starts flame wars. Your nothing more then a condescending, hypocritical, delusional, lying, joke that has absolutely nothing to contribute to this site other then trolling it and attacking users. That's real facts. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 22 04:05:36 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 21 13:11:18 2012. wrong..it has been proven by ALL of us that you lie..troll..and most off all act like a whining bitch in heat seeking someone to hump.you and nothing to any topic you partake of,and JUST LIKE THIS ONE..it usually ends up breaking down to verbal sparing matches between You and the board. what THAT should tell you is as plain as the nose on you face.YOU are the destructive element that needs to be ELIMINATED...one way or another. I'm all for the "other". |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 08:13:35 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Edwards! on Mon May 21 19:00:23 2012. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU LYING FOR THIS TIME? I don't lie. You have NEVER POSTED A BENEVOLENT POST HERE on THIS MESSAGE BOARD..Ever. LOL, you're an idiot. You should RESPECT this gentleman's efforts. Where have I done otherwise? That's right, I haven't. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 08:40:36 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 21 19:44:14 2012. Oh you didn't ask the question how many use car service when they can't take the B4? Nope. I quite clearly and obviously asked "And in your experience...how many of those cars depart with one or more passengers after each arriving subway train? Where in there did I ask for "exactly" how many? I said "in your experience", which means "while you surely were observing the car service operations for several minutes here and there". See what I mean about you going in circles? No. But see what I mean about you interjecting STUPID comments that are completely irrelevant? Instead of staying on-topic, you make up some story about me asking for exact numbers so you can then make it seem like I am asking for something unreasonable. I am trying to talk to you as if you are a rational person which is obviously not the case. Nope. You actually talk to me (as well as everyone else here and your blog audience too) as if we are all complete idiots who won't be able to figure out that you don't know what you are talking about. Unfortunately you succeed with fooling some people, but not everyone (particularly people who actually are well versed in the topics you speak of, as well as people who know how to do critical thinking and logical reasoning). You change your story every second post I've done no such thing. I have not changed my story even once in this thread. And you can't point out any specific instance in this thread where I did that. all you do is insult people and try to point out how you are superior Nope. If you feel insulted it's just because you resent being challenged about your conclusions and how you've reached them. Anyone who used critical thinking and logical reasoning would not be insulted as no insults were made (except in response to insults from you). As for your last question why this service cut is more worthy than the others, i never said that it was, only that it should not have been done. That makes absolutely no sense. You claim to be a competent bus planner yet you seem to have no idea how this stuff works! So let me explain it to you: In 2010 there were budget problems, so they decided to cut service. An analysis was done of the existing bus services. Options were created for modifying certain routes and then those modifications were also analyzed. Based on these analyses, all of the bus services were ranked/grouped by several factors. Then, certain options for service reductions were chosen, presumably based on which existing services and/or modifications met certain thresholds. Since the B4 service was modified, it seems that service met those thresholds. If you want to argue that something is amiss, you need to show that the analysis was done wrong. Because otherwise why should the B4 service not have been cut when it met the threshold just like the other cuts? Why is your line so special that even though it met the criteria to have a modification, it shouldn't have been cut while other bus routes meeting the same criteria should still have been cut? That is what you don't understand. You need to show why the objective evaluation was wrong for your particular route. Saying "ask all the people who now need to take car services" does not in any way show that the objective evaluation was wrong for your particular route. I'm sure the bus planners were more than aware that this reduction could cause some additional people to utilize car services. And that's probably true for many of the bus routes that were modified. So as I have been saying, the presence of a few more car service vehicles, in and of itself, is not proff that the objective analysis done for your bus route was flawed, and that your bus route deserves to be reinstated at the expense of other bus routes. |
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