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Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 14 13:25:32 2012

Sheepshead Bites blog

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon May 14 17:19:55 2012, in response to Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 14 13:25:32 2012.

Good points, but you do need to look at other boroughs for some examples which justify your concerns. The late evening/overnight Bx28 does the origial Co-Op City loop (instead of running directly to Section 5) when the Bx38 does not run. There are three branches of the X17, two branches each of the M14A and M14D etc.

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 14 17:32:26 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon May 14 17:19:55 2012.

Were those in operation before the 2010 cutbacks? Perhaps it was done in the Bronx but different late night route was not in effect in Brooklyn before then.

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 14 17:58:58 2012, in response to Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 14 13:25:32 2012.

Brooklyn was hit the hardest of ALL the service cuts..
Why?

Lets make this about the ENTIRE BORO...

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon May 14 19:02:04 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 14 17:32:26 2012.

No, the Bx28/38 was the result of the 2010 service change/cutbacks.

Prior to June, 2010, the Bx28 was the sole route operating between Kingsbridge/192 to Co-Op City via. Gun Hill Road, and looped around COC in counter-clockwise direction to Section 5 (Earhart Lane), not stopping at Bay Plaza. The route was split into two, the Bx 28 now goes straight along Asch Loop and Bartow Ave to Section 5, while the Bx38 follows the same routing as the Bx28 from 205th Street/Bainbridge (very few runs start/end at Kingsbridge/192), where it loops around the former Bx28 but runs into Bay Plaza where it terminates at JC Penney with the Bx12SBS+.


For the next few months after the June 2010 Bx28/38 split, overnight service to Sections 2/3 were fully cut off because the Bx28 continued to run along Asch Loop when the Bx38 stopped running. NYCT realized there was no bus service on the northern end of Co-Op City and decided to allow the old Bx28 loop when the Bx38 stopped running. But it was clearly shortsighted to deny overnight bus service to a large section of a heavily populated area within Co Op City. The Bx23 (old QBx1) stops running after 1:00 AM, while the Bx26 and 30 end their runs earlier.

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon May 14 19:05:44 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 14 17:32:26 2012.

And another modification to the June, 2010 cutbacks - - overnight Bx39 between Gun Hill Road and Baychester/East 241st Street. The Bx39/41 swap of the northern terminals eliminated overnight bus service along White Plains Road from Gun Hill to 238th Street (then the loop around Nereid/238 and Baychester) because the Bx41 runs 24/7 while the Bx39 runs 19/7. And it was only a few years (2007 or 2008, IINM) when the Bx41 finally had 24/7 service.

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon May 14 19:06:30 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon May 14 19:05:44 2012.

Now the Bx39 runs overnight service between 241 and Gun Hill (forgot to stress that).

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 14 22:52:58 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Edwards! on Mon May 14 17:58:58 2012.

Brooklyn was the hardest hit, because Brooklyn accounts for the largest number of bus miles. It is about the whole borough.

Northern Brooklyn also needs better routing, but the need is more urgent in Southern Brooklyn. That's because Northern Brooklyn already had an excellent network of trolley routes which were later converted to buses. Southern Brooklyn did not have that network, only a few north south trolley routes, B41, B44, B46, B68 and the B63. Also the B64 as an east west route. Maybe a few others. All the others were originally bus routes designed to fill in gaps without changing any of the trolley routes. So the result was a hodgepodge of spaghetti instead of a rationally thought out system. In the 1930s, there actually was much experimentation with the new bus routes, but after that the system remained stagnant with less than a half dozen new routes and a bunch of little extensions.

In the next six months, I intend to map proposals for Northern Brooklyn too. But I'm starting with Southern Brooklyn.

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Tue May 15 00:25:03 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon May 14 19:05:44 2012.

2003 - Bx41 became 24/7 in exchange for weekend Bx55 service being cut back to Fordham Plaza.

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 15 03:36:57 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 14 22:52:58 2012.

I've got one to start with right now..
Why not combine the B48 and the 49,and call it the B40?
Bring back the Q24 to Bedford..run it up to Woodhull?

Bring limited service to the B15 AIRPORT branch?
How about a SBS route down DeKalb avenue..?
How about returning our intraboro bus service to Manhattan?
Thats just a few for now..

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by B49 Limited on Tue May 15 04:17:59 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 15 03:36:57 2012.

B48 and B 49 merging - eventually going to happen thanks to SBS B 44 ridership pattern changes (should happen now, most B 48 riders that end up at Fulton St are B 49/ Franklin Shuttle pax)

Q 24 to Woodhull - not happening

B 15 Limited - Yes in this format: All East NY buses run local, All JFK buses run limited, skips Postal Fac. I can see it as a pilot program with rush hour only service, since it is the only time lately where there are buses going to each branch. Lately since the cuts, MTA seems to consolidate more of the JFK buses to run via Postal Fac and reduced Postal Fac bound only buses dramatically.

SBS B 38 - not a bad consideration.

Return of the B 51 or B 39 - not happening, however extending the M 21 or some have suggested an SBS M 15 to Washington Plaza is not a bad idea either.

Other things I have considered

B 43 extended to Long Island City

breaking up the B 24 with a Greenpoint B 24/Q 104 (can happen) and Williamsburg B 24/Q 33.

Fixing the B 69 to either become a loop route with the B 67 or rerouting it to Williamsburg (prefered choice)

Modifying the B 7 to serve Brookdale Hosp, discontinuing B 20 and replacing it with B 7 extendion to Ridgewood. (in result run the B 20 via Penn Av making it more like a B 83A/ B 83 B route or just getting rid of it)

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Mr RT on Tue May 15 07:46:58 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 14 22:52:58 2012.

"... had an excellent network of trolley routes ..."
Does any one know what you are talking about ?
There is no one here who rode a trolley in Brooklyn !

2nd point ... don't most of the residents in the areas who you speak have cars ... so why do they need so much bus service ?

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 07:50:00 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Tue May 15 07:46:58 2012.

In areas that you have cars there should be more of an emphasis on Express bus service which there is not much of in Southern Brooklyn. This is because people with cars tend to consider using transit in order to enter the CBD of Manhattan.

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 10:02:06 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Tue May 15 07:46:58 2012.

If I talk about FDR, or Mayor LaGuardia, people still know who they were although they weren't alive when they served. My point was made. You don't have to know where the trolley lines were to understand it.

No most people do not have cars. Yes, slightly over 50% of the households have cars. But if the father uses it to go to work, the mother and teenage children have to rely on public transit all day. Few households are two or three car households. This is not the suburbs.

And they are not getting "so much bus service". You are thinking like the MTA now. What they ate getting is nowhere close to adequate. Just ask all the people who must rely on car services because of inadequate bus service. Does the subway station in your neighborhood have a dozen car services waiting outside the subway station? If they werent doing a good business they woudn't be there. See today's article probably around Noon.

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 10:05:02 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 07:50:00 2012.

No. Express bus service should only be provided where absolutely necessary because of the high cost to provode service. We have all the express bus routes we need. They could operate for more hours however and on weekends, but we don't need more routes.

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 10:07:13 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 10:02:06 2012.

It's already been posted.

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 12:11:53 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 10:05:02 2012.

But people who live in areas with high car ownership do not use public transit unless they go to the CBD of Manhattan because it is hard and or expensive to find parking in the CBD of Manhattan. The only exception to this rule is either students or senior citizens/disabled

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 12:14:19 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 12:11:53 2012.

Case in point, almost all of the former QM22 riders owns a car. The vast majority of the QM3, QM10, QM11, QM12, QM16, QM17, QM18, and QM24 riders owns a car. This comes from talking to riders of these routes.

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 13:09:57 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 12:11:53 2012.



But people who live in areas with high car ownership do not use public transit unless they go to the CBD of Manhattan because it is hard and or expensive to find parking in the CBD of Manhattan.

So why can't those people take a bus to the subway like everyone else?

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 13:11:00 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 12:11:53 2012.



But people who live in areas with high car ownership do not use public transit unless they go to the CBD of Manhattan because it is hard and or expensive to find parking in the CBD of Manhattan.

So why can't those people take a bus to the subway like everyone else?

Or why can't those people pay a much higher fare for the express bus as per the much higher operating costs?

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 13:12:59 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 10:02:06 2012.



Just ask all the people who must rely on car services because of inadequate bus service. Does the subway station in your neighborhood have a dozen car services waiting outside the subway station? If they werent doing a good business they woudn't be there.

Huh? What time of day? And what's the minimum fare these car services charge? If NYCT could charge (and receive) that same fare for their buses, do you think there'd be more frequent bus service?

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 13:43:38 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 13:12:59 2012.

It's on the weekends when the B4 no longer operates. They charge about $6 for a local trip of under 2 miles. Do you think that is what the MTA should charge?

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 13:53:05 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 13:43:38 2012.



It's on the weekends when the B4 no longer operates.

And in your experience, how many cars are waiting for each arriving subway train? And how many of those cars depart with one or more passengers after each arriving subway train?

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 13:58:15 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 13:53:05 2012.

I don't stand there to find out. What is your point anyway?

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Mr RT on Tue May 15 14:02:06 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 12:14:19 2012.

You have made a good point, but so has Brooklyn Bus.

The problem is that the MTA doesn't operate like a business.
They don't even care if enough money comes in to cover expenses, or Albany robs money ear marked for them, they just go further into debt.

In a perfect World ... Albany & Washington should kick in more $, the fares should go up a-n-d service should be provided to everware it is required. This would include the extension of the IRT Nostrand Ave & L Carnasie lines into the areas that Brooklyn Bus is talking about. This would reduce the need for express bus service.

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue May 15 14:04:19 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 10:02:06 2012.

Just ask all the people who must rely on car services because of inadequate bus service. Does the subway station in your neighborhood have a dozen car services waiting outside the subway station? If they werent doing a good business they woudn't be there. See today's article probably around Noon.


Dozens of legal and illegal cabs converge outside the 233, 238 and 241 street stops on the 2 line - - MTA bus routes do not head to Mount Vernon or Yonkers (Bee Line does) - - so this is not just an MTA issue but an issue regarding insufficent public transportation in certain areas, regardless of the carrier.



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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 14:09:33 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 13:58:15 2012.



What is your point anyway?

I'm responding to this: "Just ask all the people who must rely on car services because of inadequate bus service. Does the subway station in your neighborhood have a dozen car services waiting outside the subway station? If they werent doing a good business they woudn't be there." How can I respond intelligently if I don't gather all the necessary information first?

I don't stand there to find out.

So then what business did you have stating: "Just ask all the people who must rely on car services because of inadequate bus service. Does the subway station in your neighborhood have a dozen car services waiting outside the subway station? If they werent doing a good business they woudn't be there." If you don't know how many people actually use car services, then why are you claiming that there isn't adequate bus service???

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Mr RT on Tue May 15 14:10:00 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 10:02:06 2012.

I pushed your buttoms again !

Seriously, I know what a trolley is ... was operating one marked "Desire" all day Sunday. My passengers paid about triple the local fare in NY & told me how much they enjoyed the ride. Does anyone even say that to a bus driver ?

Oh & this operator go no lunch & very little "relief" time between runs ... yes I too enjoyed what I was doing.

Next week-end I'll be operating this big red thing formally from NYC that was manufactured in 1954 and left NY in 1987 ... aka a Red Bird.
Come see me in my bib overalls :-)

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Mr RT on Tue May 15 14:12:57 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 13:58:15 2012.

You are letting two of us push you buttons !
One is just messing with you, the other just loves to irritate you.
Haven't you figured that out yet ?

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 14:15:30 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Tue May 15 14:02:06 2012.

But I have to point out, as you might already know, that there is a different perspective that is pointed out from a transit fan point of view and from a political point of view. Politics can be unfavorable to local buses. One example for that would be the whole LIB/NICE situation. I also do think that politicians will eventually allow the MTA to collapse and then pay attention to transit more.

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 14:29:41 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Tue May 15 14:12:57 2012.

Huh? What's wrong with the questions I'm asking? Seriously? Can you answer?

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 16:09:09 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 14:09:33 2012.

I am stating that there are loads of car services waiting at all times to pick people up from the subway. If they weren't doing a good business there they would go elsewhere. Do you expect me to count everyone who uses a car service to give you exact numbers? Don't be ridiculous by asking the impossible. If you would go to the community meetings and read some of the posts on Sheepsheadbites, you would hear all the compaining how people must resort to car services because there are no buses, like the guy who stated that when he has to work overtime once a month, he must take a car service home because th bus stops running at 7PM.

Now either tell me what type of point you are trying to make or I will go back to ignoring you.

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Re: Why Southernn Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 16:10:49 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue May 15 14:04:19 2012.

But the MTA can do something about this. They can't do anything about Bee Lines.

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 15 17:02:44 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by B49 Limited on Tue May 15 04:17:59 2012.

Hey..the 43 to LIC is an excellent idea...!

the B7..Ehhh.

The 69..yup I like that one.

The 24..never saw a purpose for it....but I like it.

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 17:19:51 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 16:09:09 2012.



I am stating that there are loads of car services waiting at all times to pick people up from the subway.

Huh? All times? You just said you were only talking about "on the weekends when the B4 no longer operates."

If they weren't doing a good business there they would go elsewhere. Do you expect me to count everyone who uses a car service to give you exact numbers?

No, I'm expecting you to provide enough information to be able to evaluate whether your conclusion that bus service is "nowhere close to adequate" is logically correct.

Don't be ridiculous by asking the impossible.

It's not impossible at all. You want to claim that bus service is inadequate based on the car service activity. So you need to have an idea of the number of people coming out of the subway and taking car services. You can't make such conclusions without even knowing the basics! That is one reason why you are wrong so much. You don't do a logical analysis.

If you would go to the community meetings and read some of the posts on Sheepsheadbites, you would hear all the compaining how people must resort to car services because there are no buses, like the guy who stated that when he has to work overtime once a month, he must take a car service home because th bus stops running at 7PM.

Um, that is purely anecdotal. That stuff has no bearing whatsoever. What you're saying is like saying that because you always hear people complaining at meetings and hearings and in the media that the bus/subway fare is too high, that means it IS too high and should be lowered. That's a ridiculous conclusion to make based on such evidence.

Now either tell me what type of point you are trying to make or I will go back to ignoring you.

I'm not making a point yet. Again, I'm trying to gather all the necessary information to determine whether or not your conclusion makes logical and factual sense. You want to claim that bus service is inadequate based on the car service activity. I suspect that your conclusion, or at least the process you used to reach it, is flawed. And thus I'm gathering information to see if that is or is not the case.

There's no point discussing the problem (inadequate bus service) if it's not really a problem at all.

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue May 15 17:41:52 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 17:19:51 2012.

For the car service, it's obviously enough cars lined up that he would consider it to be significant, and it would be noticable to the average person passing by the station. You honestly expect him to count every single car waiting for a passenger?

It's like on another forum, when somebody said "How many people were in the crowd", the only thing the guy responded was "Enough to say there was a crowd".

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 18:20:47 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 17:19:51 2012.

It's alright for you to conclude that bus service is not a problem without any facts, but it isn't okay for me to conclude it is a problem after hearing the community continuously complain about it. Double standard isn't it?

To answer you question there are always six cars in front of the station, and when the B4 is not running, the number goes up to 12. Now do you want me to provide you with exact dates and times I witnessed this so you can perform your very erudite analysis?

What type of evidence would you need to conclude that service is needed on the weekends? The MTA showed higher numbers of riders using the B4 on weekends (2300 daily) when it was discontinued than during the rush hours and middays when they decided to retain it. (2100).

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 18:24:20 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 12:11:53 2012.

You say high car ownership. Car ownership is only around 50%. That leaves plenty of people without an automobile. You make it sound like everyone has a car.

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 18:25:04 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 13:09:57 2012.

They do.

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 18:33:00 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 18:24:20 2012.

It is 50% in Southern Brooklyn. I did not know, I was making this post judging from Mr. RT mentioning that there is high car ownership. But I think that I still have a good point because in places such as NE Queens where we are fighting for QM20 Wall Street service car ownership is over 80%.

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 18:38:54 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 18:25:04 2012.

In NE Queens there are a lot who drive. Case in point there are a lot of construction/electrical/engineering/security workers who live in NE Queens and need to be at work well before 7 AM and want to have enough time to get coffee and enough of a cushion time in order to get to work. The first bus on both the QM2 and the QM20 leaves Bay Terrace at 5:45 A.M. which is late or just in the nick of time for those riders. Due to the lack of convenience of taking local buses to the Subway and use of the Subway a lot of these workers drive into Manhattan and pay for parking in Manhattan at a parking garage instead.

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 18:41:45 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 10:05:02 2012.

I also think that the Metro Apple routes should be revived.

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 19:25:25 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 18:38:54 2012.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't expand the span of service if there is demand for it as you seem to point out. I just don't think we should be looking to create more express bus routes to Manhattan

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 19:27:16 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 19:25:25 2012.

My point is that in areas where there is a lot of car ownership you have to make mass transit attractive in order to encourage it. I am sure if Nassau made its bus service more attractive such as creating Express Bus routes (not the n6x and n22x) NICE bus would not exist.

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 19:27:44 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 18:33:00 2012.

It's nowhere that high in Southern Brooklyn. Don't forget we have good subway service if you are near one. You don't have any. Only the railroad which is way overpriced for city usage so most people avoid it. If they lowered their fares you wouldn't need so many express bus routes.

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 19:32:46 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 19:27:44 2012.

The LIRR is not really good anyway with the lack of convenient parking options with no parking available at Auburndale and Murray Hill LIRR stations and NYCDOT permit/metered/paid parking at Bayside (the most popular LIRR station). The only free/unrestricted parking we have is at the Broadway station. Plus there are many who feel that MNCR is a lot better than the LIRR anyhow.

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Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 15 20:47:01 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 17:19:51 2012.

What you really should do is butt the fuck out,and let the people who know what the hell they are talking about ..talk about it..rather than put up with nonsensical meandering aimed at slowly disrupting the topic at hand.

Offering anything to THIS TABLE is like putting your sexual inequality out there for everyone to see.

Stfu..and let the ADULTS talk.

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue May 15 21:26:58 2012, in response to Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 14 13:25:32 2012.

I commented there, but why not combine and re-route the B100 so that it travels along the B2 or B100 route, but then operates via Flatbush Avenue and serves Kings Plaza via Avenue U on a branch? (The other branch would operate via Fillmore and T.)

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 21:27:19 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 19:27:16 2012.

You don't think there is demand for local bus service just within Nassau County?

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Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 15 21:29:24 2012, in response to Re: Why Southern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Bounad Hanhic on Tue May 15 19:32:46 2012.

Ample, convenient and cheap parking is a necessity at rail stations to encourage people to not make their entire trip by car.

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