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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 08:41:47 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by CJ on Tue May 22 00:20:49 2012. No, it's actually true. I'm usually correct in everything factual or logical that I post. No one has ever shown otherwise. They are all talk and no show. Seriously. No one has even really tried to show otherwise. I invite someone to give it a shot. Post links to where I have been systematically wrong about factual matters.I'm waiting. Otherwise you are all talk and no show. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 08:42:04 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 22 04:05:36 2012. No, it's actually true. I'm usually correct in everything factual or logical that I post. No one has ever shown otherwise. They are all talk and no show. Seriously. No one has even really tried to show otherwise. I invite someone to give it a shot. Post links to where I have been systematically wrong about factual matters.I'm waiting. Otherwise you are all talk and no show. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue May 22 09:17:04 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Railman718 on Tue May 22 00:05:02 2012. Bump..Just as I figured... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue May 22 10:23:07 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by CJ on Tue May 22 00:20:49 2012. +1000 |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Tue May 22 10:40:04 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 08:41:47 2012. The statement "I'm usually" covers a multitude of possible situations that you can use to squirm out of most of the rest of your totally useless statement. Try again, Turtle Girl.STILL LOL@WORD HUMPING BREE-ANNE |
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Posted by Gamera on Tue May 22 10:49:52 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BigBusDriver on Tue May 22 10:40:04 2012. 
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue May 22 11:03:55 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Gamera on Tue May 22 10:49:52 2012. ROFLMAO! |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Tue May 22 11:14:04 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Gamera on Tue May 22 10:49:52 2012. PleaseDon't you have a picture of a cockroach or something similar? STILL LOL@BREE-ANNE REX |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue May 22 11:35:37 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BigBusDriver on Tue May 22 10:40:04 2012. Totally Pwned... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 12:49:54 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 08:41:47 2012. bump |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 22 13:08:32 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 08:40:36 2012. You asked "In your experience, how many of those cars depart with one or more passengers after each departing train." Right? How is that different from asking, how many car service cars leave after each train arrives?" They woudn't leave if they didn't get a passenger unless the driver decided to go home, so you asked what I essentially said you asked. But you make it into a big deal as if I accused you of asking a totally different question.That's why a conversation with you never comes to a conclusion. You just find something to nitpick about and change the subject. Let's suppose I stated that I watched for ten minutes, and four cars left each with one person. How woud that information help you draw any conclusions. You would just come back with statements like ten minutes isn't long enough to wait or how do you know those people coud have taken the B4? The the point is no matter how someone answers your questions it is never good enough for you. You just move the topic elsewhere. That's why no one wants to talk to you. I'm glad you now explained to me how "things work" since I am not a competent planner and you are, according to you. What you explained is how things should work and you did a good job of that. But that is not how things happened. There were no thresholds or ranking that the MTA used to decide where the cuts were to be made. What they did was lay out a bunch of guidelines they said they were using and presented a ranked list of costs to provide service, and never revealing their methodology then presented a final list of cuts. For example, they state they considered ridership history as a criterion to decide if a route would be cut. They showed that the B71 ridership increased by 29% in the past five years. Virtually no other route had that type of gain, yet they eliminated it anyway. Where did thy show how they weighed that against other criteria. They didn't. They arbitrarily decided what to eliminate based on a hodgepodge of criteria. If what you say is true that there was a logical ranking of routes to be cut according to certain thresholds that had to be met, if I came to you with $20 million that I just made available, you would be able to go to that list and show me the first route on that list that should be restored. That cannot be done because no such list exists. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 13:38:16 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 22 13:08:32 2012. You asked "In your experience, how many of those cars depart with one or more passengers after each departing train." Right? How is that different from asking, how many car service cars leave after each train arrives?" They woudn't leave if they didn't get a passenger unless the driver decided to go home, so you asked what I essentially said you asked. But you make it into a big deal as if I accused you of asking a totally different question. Nope. You're confused again. Please reread what I wrote. I'll even paste/link it here for you: I quite clearly and obviously asked "And in your experience...how many of those cars depart with one or more passengers after each arriving subway train? Where in there did I ask for "exactly" how many? I said "in your experience", which means "while you surely were observing the car service operations for several minutes here and there". That's why a conversation with you never comes to a conclusion. Nope. But it is why you drag these things out so much - you keep getting confused and/or interjecting STUPID comments that are completely irrelevant. You just find something to nitpick about and change the subject. Nope. I asked two simple questions and it took you like 20 posts to answer them when it could have only taken you one post. And then once you finally answered both of them, I concluded the *original* conversation. You're now still going on and on about stuff you brought up AFTER I began the original conversation. Let's suppose I stated that I watched for ten minutes, and four cars left each with one person. How woud that information help you draw any conclusions. You would just come back with statements like ten minutes isn't long enough to wait or how do you know those people coud have taken the B4? The the point is no matter how someone answers your questions it is never good enough for you. You just move the topic elsewhere. That's why no one wants to talk to you. Here you go again, making up irrelevant hypothetical situations and then making assumptions as to how I would answer them in order to boost your ego to make yourself feel better after I successfully challenged your conclusion. I'm glad you now explained to me how "things work" since I am not a competent planner and you are, according to you. What you explained is how things should work and you did a good job of that. Yes, I did a good job of that because I am competent and you are not. Thank you. But that is not how things happened. There were no thresholds or ranking that the MTA used to decide where the cuts were to be made. What they did was lay out a bunch of guidelines they said they were using and presented a ranked list of costs to provide service, and never revealing their methodology then presented a final list of cuts. If they "never revealed their methodology" then how do you know that there were "no thresholds or ranking"????? For example, they state they considered ridership history as a criterion to decide if a route would be cut. They showed that the B71 ridership increased by 29% in the past five years. Virtually no other route had that type of gain, yet they eliminated it anyway. Where did thy show how they weighed that against other criteria. They didn't. That criteria doesn't exist in a vacuum!!!! If the ridership increased 29% but it still cost a lot of money to operate, then why shouldn't it still be on the table for cuts? They arbitrarily decided what to eliminate based on a hodgepodge of criteria. You need to find out what the methodology was instead of assuming there was none or it was some abstract "hodgepodge". Once you find it out, then you can criticize it. If what you say is true that there was a logical ranking of routes to be cut according to certain thresholds that had to be met, if I came to you with $20 million that I just made available, you would be able to go to that list and show me the first route on that list that should be restored. That cannot be done because no such list exists. Maybe I misspoke. When I said ranking, I meant that each route could be ranked by one or more factors. And then if a route exceeded the thresholds in a certain number of factors, then it could be more likely slated for cuts. Are you familiar with MS Excel? It is like the "SORT" function, when you sort multiple columns at once. And that said, they certainly may have done this but not released it publicly. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 22 14:52:37 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 13:38:16 2012. "Maybe I misspoke". Wow an admission of wrong from you in the midst of all your insults like I am competent and you are not. At least I give someone a compliment when I feel they deserve it.And when you can't answer a question you just accuse me of making up "ridiculous hypothetical situations" Meanwhile although the MTA never released its methodology, you just assume they had one, but that's okay since you are making the assumptions. Until you can provide the methodology they used, you have no case. You know what they say about people who assume... You certainly should. And in the name of transparency which Jay Walder claimed they are doing, they must reveal their methodology publicly. Trust us, we did the right thing is not enough. If they were so infallible, they wouldn't have made the mistake to initially propose eliminating the eastern end of the B4 permanently until I showed them they were making the wrong decision. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 15:11:12 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 22 14:52:37 2012. "Maybe I misspoke". Wow an admission of wrong from you Huh? I always admit when I am wrong. all your insults like I am competent and you are not. Huh? You brought that up. At least I give someone a compliment when I feel they deserve it. Uh huh... Meanwhile although the MTA never released its methodology, you just assume they had one Um, the logical, rational assumption is that there WAS a methodology. Until you can provide the methodology they used, you have no case. You know what they say about people who assume... You certainly should. Huh?????? I'm not making any case! You're the one making assumptions about them not having a methodology!!!!!!!!!!!! You're the one making the illogical assumptions! You're the one who needs to be reminded about what they say about making assumptions. I'm simply pointing out the errors in your logic. And in the name of transparency which Jay Walder claimed they are doing, they must reveal their methodology publicly. Maybe if you didn't make such wild accusations against them and be constantly saying ridiculously stupid stuff about them, they'd be more open to discussing this stuff with you... If they were so infallible I certainly never said that they were infallible. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 22 19:07:12 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 15:11:12 2012. And you are the one making the case based on the assumption that the cuts were made in some logical scientific above board fashion in a perfectly objective manner. It is more logical to assume they were more likely to cut service where they felt here woud be the least opposition and there would be a greater chance of getting the cuts through.If the cuts were made in the objective rational way you claim then what are they afraid of by not revealing the methodology used? Why can't we see a ranks list of all the cuts that were considered and the ones they were considering cutting but didn't because they already reached their $55 million in cuts they were seeking? All their secrecy just raises doubts. Agan. no transparency. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 23 02:18:15 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 08:41:47 2012. Huh?Proff positive you really dont pay attention. your very participation has caused nothing more than pure havoc as usual.. criticizers like you often lack true substance and feed off others to even feel alive. Bottom line..you are dead..and need US to feel alive,you zombie. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 23 07:34:42 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 08:41:47 2012. Bump |
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Posted by CJ on Wed May 23 08:11:27 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 08:42:04 2012. Another soon to be banned troll. How nice. It will be bitter sweet to see you finally blocked. Everyone has suffered enough from you. |
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Posted by CJ on Wed May 23 08:15:55 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 22 08:13:35 2012. Your were just lying when said "I don't lie" and you shouldn't be calling others idiots when your one yourself. In that case there that makes you a hypocrite. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Wed May 23 08:39:39 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BigBusDriver on Tue May 22 10:40:04 2012. Bump |
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