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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 17 13:13:13 2012, in response to Re: Why Northern Brooklyn Needs Better Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 16 21:07:39 2012. Now you say that you never said the lack of bus service wasn't a problem. Previously you stated " There's no point discussing the problem (inadequate bus service) when there is no problem at all" UNBELIEVABLE. What is your problem with reading comprehension???? In the paragraph immediately preceding the text you just quoted, I wrote: "I'm not making a point yet. Again, I'm trying to gather all the necessary information to determine whether or not your conclusion makes logical and factual sense." So thus isn't it like 2000% obvious that my statement that you quoted was talking theoretically or hypothetically (or whatever the correct term is) about a situation where it would be found that bus service is not a problem?????? I was explaining why I was asking these questions and why I didn't have a point to make - because I wanted to determine first whether there was actually a problem! And I couldn't even begin to determine that until you answered my questions - which you hadn't yet at that point! So why would I have been saying that the lack of buses was not a problem??!?!!?!? Why can't you understand this stuff?? See how you just go around in circles and that's why it is impossible to have a conversation with you. Nope. As I just showed, you completely misunderstood a very simple thing that I wrote and that caused YOU to go around in circles. YOU are the problem, as I have said TIME and TIME again. You seem to imply that if you knew exactly how many people used car service, you would be able to state unequivocally if it was a problem or not. Here we go again. I implied no such thing. I clearly stated this: "You want to claim that bus service is inadequate based on the car service activity. So you need to have an idea of the number of people coming out of the subway and taking car services. You can't make such conclusions without even knowing the basics! That is one reason why you are wrong so much. You don't do a logical analysis." And this: "I'm trying to gather all the necessary information to determine whether or not your conclusion makes logical and factual sense. You want to claim that bus service is inadequate based on the car service activity. I suspect that your conclusion, or at least the process you used to reach it, is flawed. And thus I'm gathering information to see if that is or is not the case." What about either of those says that I wanted to know "exactly how many people used car service" or that I "would be able to state unequivocally if it was a problem or not"? Again, I'm simply gathering the evidence directly related to the process you used to come to a conclusion about bus service. I want to use that evidence, along with possibly other evidence as well as some educated guesses, all of which I would explain, to evaluate your conclusion and the process you used to reach it. Is this clear now? If I told you that between 7 and 11 PM 25 people used car service, would that mean there was a bus problem? What if I told you it was 50 people? Would it be a problem then? How about 75 or 100? Or maybe 200, 250, or 300? 500 or 1,000? Tell me where would you draw the line? What makes you such am expert that you could give a definitive answer I wouldn't give a definitive answer. I would give an answer based on my chosen analysis process, which I would explain, and which I felt is fair and logical and justified. I would also need to gather additional information once you gave me the car service numbers so I wouldn't have an answer for you immediately. Unlike you, before I come to a conclusion, I take REASONABLE CARE TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE SO THAT I DO NOT END UP COMING TO AN OBVIOUSLY OR EVEN NOT SO OBVIOUSLY STUPID CONCLUSION. When I come to a conclusion and state it on this forum, I do so only after I am pretty sure that it would stand up to the level of peer review appropriate for an intellectual, serious, discussion forum setting. Your problem is that once you have your conclusion, you don't seem to want any peer review, you don't want it questioned, you don't want to give more details, and you don't want to be challenged. You want it to be accepted and held as fact to be used in other discussions. And that's simply not how it works. You may be able to get some or many people to go along with you, but you won't be able to convince the people who actually take intellectual interest in these topics to go along with it. Or would you ask then for all the addresses everyone was going to so you knew if they coud have taken the B4 or not? Now do you see the absurdity of your questions? Nope. My questions are not absurd at all. I know where to draw the line at what can be reasonably be answered, and then I know how to make educated guesses and/or look for other sources to get the additional info I need to build upon the answers I receive from you. So instead of all this stupid back and forth, you could have just, I dunno, ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS, and if you didn't know the answers to the questions I ASKED (and not the ones you thought I was going to ask next), then you could have simply said so. And your last statement shows your total ignorance asking why I started talking about car service vehicles if I knew how many we're inconvenienced. I was trying to show there was a need for the bus service by bringing up car services. That doesn't make any sense. If you already know that 2300 people per day are "inconvenienced", then what do the car services add to the discussion (at least in the incomplete/misleading/ridiculous form you first mentioned them - i.e. "Just ask all the people who must rely on car services because of inadequate bus service.")? You were the one who took a single statement and blew it up to a major production. Nope, that's what you have done. You started whining and ranting instead of simply answering. All I did was ask two simple questions about a statement that YOU made. Are we not allowed to ask questions about your statements? Is this not a discussion board? |
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