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Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79) |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Tue Jun 14 16:45:20 2011, in response to Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jun 14 10:13:51 2011. [Since the Q79 bus line was axed last summer, attempted alternatives in the area have flopped.] As much as I hate to say it, the folks along Little Neck Parkway should have thought about such things before they decided to not ride the bus. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jun 14 20:14:10 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Tue Jun 14 16:45:20 2011. I'd blame Floral Park for preventing the LIRR station extension from ever coming to fruition. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Jun 14 21:02:53 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jun 14 20:14:10 2011. I'd blame Floral Park for preventing the LIRR station extension from ever coming to fruition.A one bus per hour route connecting to a lightly used Zone 4 LIRR branch isn't exactly a ridership generator. I would help, but I don't think enough to really skew the numbers into saving the line under current austerity. Hell, the other end connected to the LIRR at Little Neck which is Zone 3... FWIW, I suspect the real problem is that in the time that it would take wait for the Q79, one could walk to the Q36, Q43, Q46, Q31, and Q12. If you're unable to walk that far, you end up qualifying for para-transit, and if you live in the neighbourhood, you're likely to own a car in the first place. Even from the MTA's perspective, if you're a worker trying to get to that area, you'll simply take a north-south bus route further west to get to the east-west bus route that's needed. The people who are ultimately affected are those who don't drive, don't qualify for para-transit and have short-rides (i.e Bellrose to Deepdale) that would become absurdly longer with backtracking. |
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Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79) |
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Posted by NJT Morris Rider on Tue Jun 14 21:06:24 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Jun 14 21:02:53 2011. or expensive with cab taking. But the MTA cares about that as much as NJT did when bus ridership in Morris County dropped. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jun 14 21:22:20 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Jun 14 21:02:53 2011. If the appropriate QM lines are reduced in service in accordance with NYCT guidelines, you could justify a Q46 extension up to Little Neck weekdays and Saturdays. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jun 14 22:26:53 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Jun 14 21:02:53 2011. The Q79 ran twice an hour, and it would also connect the business center of Floral Park with Little Neck Parkway. Floral Park might've did nothing to improve the route's ridership issue, but it's better than doing nothing and continuing to practically end it in the middle of nowhere, which the MTA did until its demise. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 15 01:45:24 2011, in response to Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jun 14 10:13:51 2011. Thinking about it, the best replacement would be an extension of the Q12 to Union Turnpike. You can offset the extensions costs by combining the Q76/Q77, cutting the Q24 back to Crescent Street (J)/(Z), or swapping the Q36 and Q110 (the Q36 would go to Belmont Park, and wouldn't cost as much to operate). |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Wed Jun 15 09:19:44 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 15 01:45:24 2011. What about extending the Q46 Glen Oaks branch to Northern Boulevard or to the Little Neck LIRR Station? |
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Posted by Charles G on Wed Jun 15 12:10:02 2011, in response to Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jun 14 10:13:51 2011. It always bugs me when reporters don't bother to check or challenge "facts".Jim Trent, 65, founder and president of the Queens County Farm Museum, used to hop on the Q79 to get to the museum. But now it requires an arduous 2-mile walk or a pricy car service since he doesn't own a car. Where is he coming from that his only option is a 2-mile walk? The museum is 1/4 mile north of Union Turnpike. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 15 12:32:16 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Charles G on Wed Jun 15 12:10:02 2011. Google Maps advises a 2.3 mile / 49 minute walk from Little Neck LIRR to the museum.But I see your point. Anyway, if I was the founder and president I would just have an employee come pick me up / drop me off and give him / her about $3 or $4 for each trip. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jun 15 12:32:44 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jun 14 21:22:20 2011. Is there a need to have the Q20A/B run all the way down to Jamaica? Shortening the routes to start at Flushing and run north (with rush hour extensions to Jewel Ave) should be considered. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Jun 15 13:45:49 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 15 01:45:24 2011. Probably an extension of the Q12 route to Union Turnpike/260th Street via Little Neck Parkway and 260th Street might make some sense as well as an extension of the Q36 north to 260th Street/Little Neck Parkway or Horace Harding Expressway/Little Neck Parkway via Little Neck Parkway. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Jun 15 13:47:47 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Jun 15 13:45:49 2011. Forgot to mention they can also have the Q12 loop in and out of the Little Neck LIRR Station via Marathon Parkway and Little Neck Parkway. |
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Posted by njt morris rider on Wed Jun 15 13:54:38 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jun 15 12:32:44 2011. Then the Q44 would have to run local which would make some who ride that bus very unhappy. Remember, Stengel was supposed to get artics for that route because of the severe overcrowding on it already. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 15 14:40:46 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Pelham R62A on Wed Jun 15 09:19:44 2011. Actually, I would extend alternating Q12 trips down to North Shore/LIJ to cover Little Neck Parkway through Deepdale.The Q79 was the Q12A. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 15 16:19:18 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Pelham R62A on Wed Jun 15 09:19:44 2011. That's an even better idea |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 15 18:30:21 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Jun 15 13:45:49 2011. I would definitely look into extending some Q30s along Little Neck Pkwy, in one direction, another, or both. The frequencies are perfect for alternation: either:1) Every other bus extended north to Little Neck LIRR, every other bus extended south to museum or perhaps beyond (or) 2) Every third bus extended north to Little Neck LIRR, every third bus extended south to museum, and every third bus terminate as it currently does |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 15 18:39:30 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 15 18:30:21 2011. Actually to make things more cost neutral:Every other Q30 ends at Springfield (not Little Neck Pkwy) Every other Q30 to Little Neck LIRR Museum gets covered by the Glen Oaks Q46 which may merit expansion to weekends (taking some service from LIJ). My impression is that most Q79 users are on the northern end of the ex-route and want Little Neck LIRR access. Is that fairly true? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 15 18:40:44 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Jun 15 13:47:47 2011. That's also a good idea, either that or the Q46 Glen Oaks extension should happen. |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Wed Jun 15 18:44:11 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by njt morris rider on Wed Jun 15 13:54:38 2011. ...and with this next artic order, Stengel WILL be getting artics! |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Wed Jun 15 19:04:53 2011, in response to Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jun 14 10:13:51 2011. Guys (and Ladies),What you don't realize is that by looking at the possible scenarios, there isn't that many routes in eastern Queens to choose from...especially after the budget cuts. You have the Q12, Q30, Q36 and Q46 to play with here. I'm not couting the express buses (QM3 and QM5/QM8) However with that being said, here's my suggestion (and please bare with me as this would be like "WTF?" but that's what you get when people don't ride the Q79!) The Q12 SHOULD be extended to Little Neck L.I.R.R. Station. Make the left on Little Neck Pkwy from Northern Blvd and use the saem turn-a-round as the Q79 did (you think the MTA would come up with this after creating a Q15A!) For service along Northern Blvd between Little Neck Pkwy and the City Line...N20/N21. For now! Meaning, I'd make the N20/N21 start the "open-door" policy at Little Neck Pkwy going eastbound. (You know, I never understood Glenwood St and Northern Blvd for a termination...UGH! That's just my opinion) The Q30...LEAVE AS IS! That route is TOO long as is and also VERY dependable to people getting to Jamaica Station (like my mother who works at Queensborough Community College...and others who go to school there). Adding another 10 minutes or so in either direction on the Q30 and you will start seeing that "Q30 Springfield Blvd" sign appear more often. The Q36 I can see this one and I think someone had suggested this as well. The Q36 SHOULD go to Glen Oaks (Union Tpke and 260th St). Follow the Q46 to 73rd Av, go through Glen Oaks. First stop at Union Tpke and 260th St. Then on Union Tpke and left on southbound Little Neck Pkwy to Floral Park and regular. Hey, they got that "Q36 LIMITED" so that would help AND short trips COULD be at Queens Village L.I.R.R. Station OR Braddock Av by the Q1. Therefore the Q46 (and again some of mentioned this) SHOULD be extended to Horace Harding Expwy and Little Neck Pkwy. I think that with those ideas that were suggested in this thread SHOULD satisfy residents. Now, the next problem...headway times. Let those stats begin to fly! |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 15 19:19:20 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by The TransitMan on Wed Jun 15 19:04:53 2011. I agree completely about the Q12.As for the Q30, are you sure not even some of them could go further (probably Little Neck LIRR) (and others balance the budget by ending at Springfield)? A Q12 at Little Neck LIRR by itself wouldn't do much to help Little Neck Pkwy. And I'm not sure why people getting off the LIRR there (presumably to / from Manhattan) would need a bus going back west, the way they came. Yeah the Q30 goes west too, but it would service some crucial stops on Little Neck Pkwy first. And it can even be every fourth Q30 that goes on this extension during peak hours. At least it's something. That would mean that the Q30 east of Springfield would still see 50% of its service completely unaffected and 25% of it possibly slightly affected because of the longer trip. I like the Q36 idea too, with short-turns to balance budget. Is there a way for the Q46 to service both Glen Oaks and Lake Success at the same time, perhaps east along Union (from Kew Gardens) then north on Little Neck, east on Horace Harding, south on Lakeville? We're getting to areas I'm not all that familiar with, but might that be feasible? |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jun 15 19:26:37 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by The TransitMan on Wed Jun 15 18:44:11 2011. WE WILL?!?!? NEW NOVA ARTICS FOR STENGEL!?! |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Wed Jun 15 19:44:28 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by The TransitMan on Wed Jun 15 19:04:53 2011. [The Q12 SHOULD be extended to Little Neck L.I.R.R. Station. Make the left on Little Neck Pkwy from Northern Blvd and use the saem turn-a-round as the Q79 did (you think the MTA would come up with this after creating a Q15A!)]You'd hear all kinds of "NIMBY" from the folks up there. During daylight hours (including Sundays), the Q12 runs far more frequently than the Q79 ever did, and those folks just won't want that many buses laying over outside their houses. My own preference would be to extend the Q12 south along Little Neck Parkway to and 260th Street to Union Turnpike. [For service along Northern Blvd between Little Neck Pkwy and the City Line...N20/N21. For now! Meaning, I'd make the N20/N21 start the "open-door" policy at Little Neck Pkwy going eastbound.] It's just two blocks from the border, so why not? [(You know, I never understood Glenwood St and Northern Blvd for a termination...UGH! That's just my opinion)] Basically, the Q12 ends there because the City itself ends there. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 15 20:39:27 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 15 19:19:20 2011. There's a lot of business along Union Turnpike in that area that attracts more ridership to the route than Glen Oaks, so no. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 15 20:58:23 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jun 15 19:26:37 2011. Stengel would need new buses anyway; the 600s there are 15 years old and are nearing the end of their lives. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 15 21:11:55 2011, in response to Re: Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Wed Jun 15 19:44:28 2011. I'd actually extend the Q12 to LIJ via North Shore Towers. On evenings after 7:30 PM and Sundays, Little Neck Parkway would be the last stop. |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 15 21:24:02 2011, in response to Stranded straphangers begin drive to bring back bus service to Queens (Q79), posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jun 14 10:13:51 2011. Remember what the MTA spokesman said:"We are willing to look at any proposal to reallocate resources as long as it's at no net cost AND DOES NOT EXCEED LOADING OR SERVICE GUIDELINES." (Emphasis added) Remember this as the new reality. Now, let's come up with something that would appease the ignorant and incompetent service planners. |
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