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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Mon Mar 8 16:44:52 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by QM18Express on Sun Mar 7 21:17:29 2010. Riders on other CP & SC may not mind it.HAHA! Are you kidding me? One time I rode the QM10 and when an Orion V CNG pulled up, all the riders had a disgusted look on their face, with one lady saying, "Why do we have to ride this bullshit?" I sure as hell got a good laugh out of that! LOL! |
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Posted by QM18Express on Mon Mar 8 19:41:10 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Pablo M 201 on Mon Mar 8 16:44:52 2010. I did not factor in the QM10 & QM11 INTO this! Those riders got very happy when the MCIs came as they had to put up with pretty beat up buses! They might be a bit acceping to the C40LFs providing that they come in brand new |
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Posted by Manwithaplan on Mon Mar 8 21:01:45 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by QM18Express on Mon Mar 8 19:41:10 2010. Low floor buses would not be a bsd idea for operation on manyexpress routes. I have notice that many people that use express bus service have trouble climbing the steps of the MCI's. If the MTA were to try using a low-floor bus for express service, they would have to do something about the walking space between the seats. It is very narrow on the MCI's for wide bodied passengers. MWAP |
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Posted by Waynejay on Tue Mar 9 10:34:36 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Pablo M 201 on Mon Mar 8 11:08:43 2010. For me it's not the length. I think an intercity bus period is simpy too much for most TA/MTAB express routes. |
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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Tue Mar 9 10:47:18 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Waynejay on Tue Mar 9 10:34:36 2010. That I can totally agree with you on. |
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Posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Mar 9 14:56:59 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Waynejay on Tue Mar 9 10:34:36 2010. I feel the same way. The 45 foot MCI's are too much bus for almost every express route for the NYCTA/MTA Bus. Back in the day, theyused Classics, and Orions with suburban style seats. And those buses got the job done. They had much better driver visibility then the MCI's have today. The operators that drive MCI's need more street space to drive a 45 foot bus. Not so with a 40 foot bus. MWAP |
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Posted by R42 4820 on Tue Mar 9 15:02:25 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Mar 9 14:56:59 2010. Agreed. Most of these "over-the-road" MCIs that the MTA uses really aren't even needed that much. The only reason we have so many is because when MTA Bus took over the private bus lines many of the express buses used were in desperate need for replacement. Now there are some MCIs that are in need of replacement at the moment anyway. |
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Posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Mar 9 15:16:21 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by R42 4820 on Tue Mar 9 15:02:25 2010. There are several MCI's that are in need of replacement. The MTAmade a bad call in buying these buses. These buses are made to be opened up on the highways and main roadways like they have in New Jersey. The constant stop and go rush hour traffic in New York beats these buses up. And 85% of the trips that are made with these buses do not get a fully seated load. I hope that when the MTA replaces these buses, they think before they buy. MWAP |
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Posted by R42 4820 on Tue Mar 9 15:18:21 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Mar 9 15:16:21 2010. Are there any other types of buses that the MTA could order that would be deemed for "express" service than just MCIs? |
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Posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Mar 9 15:44:34 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by R42 4820 on Tue Mar 9 15:18:21 2010. I am sure that the people at the MTA that are responsible fornew bus purchases can have a 40 foot bus made to their specs by any number of bus manufactures in the US and Canada. MWAP |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Tue Mar 9 18:30:25 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by R42 4820 on Tue Mar 9 15:18:21 2010. I would consider the NABI 416s |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Mar 9 23:27:07 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Waynejay on Mon Mar 8 12:48:18 2010. Yeah, those RTSs never should've been wasted on the local routes and just needed some of the seats to be replaced. But there was no need to reseat them and replace them with standard hard plastic seats.If the MTA needed more local buses, that's what the NGs were supposed to be fore. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Mar 9 23:28:03 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by R42 4820 on Mon Mar 8 06:17:16 2010. Some lines should be weekdays only. I can understand the BM3 because there's no parallel local line serving that area, but the BM4 has the B31 to Kings Hgwy. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Mar 9 23:33:48 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 8 10:14:01 2010. True, but can people stand all the way from SI to manhattan? I know even the fare doesn't promise a seat, but given there are other lines that aren't even full - how is it fair X1 and such riders have to stand when there are bus lines that aren't even filled?They should cut back on other routes and add more buses for the X1. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Mar 9 23:35:52 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Mar 9 14:56:59 2010. Even the ex-Ulmer RTSs [9200-9300s] that were mostly sent to LGA, would've been perfect to use for lower use express lines like the Bm4. Instead they wasted money to reseat those buses with hard plastic seats to keep them on local lines. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Mar 9 23:38:55 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Mar 9 15:16:21 2010. One can only hope the MTA makes enough cuts on the express bus routes so they can eventually retire the older MCIs and then move the newer buses to replace those older ones.ie: They do not buy replacement buses and just shift 'extra' buses from the discontinued lines. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Mar 9 23:40:57 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Manwithaplan on Tue Mar 9 15:44:34 2010. Are the NGs ok when being driven on the highways? I mean couldn't they reseat those buses with the soft seats? |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Tue Mar 9 23:46:49 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 8 00:12:34 2010. Perhaps on the BxM7, but an articulated bus built to the new Flyer standards would literally fall apart on the highway stretches...cannot comment on the Nova though. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Mar 9 23:50:29 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Manwithaplan on Mon Mar 8 21:01:45 2010. If the line is not a fully used line, would a 2x1 front segment be good and the rear segment 2x2? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Mar 9 23:51:20 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Pablo M 201 on Mon Mar 8 16:44:52 2010. lmao! They are so f'ing spoiled... |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Mar 10 00:05:33 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by metrolinecoach111 on Tue Mar 9 23:46:49 2010. There is no express bus route that needs articulated buses in NYC.None. I can count the ones that actually fill 57 seat buses on my fingers. A suburbanized articulated bus is around $850,000. An MCI is now $550,000-600,000. You gain at most 8 seats on an articulated platform. There is no need to spend $250,000 for 8 seats. |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Wed Mar 10 00:17:11 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by JAzumah on Wed Mar 10 00:05:33 2010. Agreed on that account - I would not advocate for the artics for express service as well.I just wanted to make the point that even the suburban models cannot take the highway stretches these routes take, particularly the ones via the Turnpike. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Wed Mar 10 02:09:44 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by metrolinecoach111 on Wed Mar 10 00:17:11 2010. I just wanted to make the point that even the suburban models cannot take the highway stretches these routes take, particularly the ones via the Turnpike.Yes they can. NJT has been running their artics (Volvo, Neoplan) on the NJ Turnpike for 25 years, both transit (on the 78) and suburban. Pittsburgh has been running transit (MAN, Ikarus, Neoplan) and suburban (Neoplan) artics on their busways (50 mph speed) and in highway express service even longer. Houston also ran Neoplan suburban artics in express service. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Mar 10 08:42:30 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by kcram3500 on Wed Mar 10 02:09:44 2010. CNY Centro in Syracuse operates Gillig, New Flyer and Orion transit models in express service on I-81, I-481 and I-690. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Mar 10 09:29:04 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by RailBus63 on Wed Mar 10 08:42:30 2010. CNY Centro in Syracuse operates Gillig, New Flyer and Orion transit models in express service on I-81, I-481 and I-690.RIPTA uses soft-seat RTSes (being retired) and hard-seat Gillig Low Floors with luggage racks and reading lights on express routes up to 45 miles long. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Wed Mar 10 09:34:11 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by RailBus63 on Wed Mar 10 08:42:30 2010. This is a sub-thread of artics, though. Forty-foot transit buses have been used on highways for half a century... Public Service/TNJ used Old Look transits on the #94, which ran the length of route 4 from Paterson to Fort Lee, until the route was discontinued in the 1970s. NJT runs RTSes on the #79 from Newark to Parsippany, using I-280 almost the entire way. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Mar 10 12:21:22 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Mar 9 23:33:48 2010. People do stand all the way, but it has to do with schedules and traffic. In the AM, unless a bus is missing, generally, all seats are filled, and there are no standees because people will choose to take the next bus. The Hylan Blvd corridor has enough buses that go to the same places that it's an easy option to take.In the PM, there are standees because people don't all leave work at 5. Additionally, traffic can keep buses from meeting the schedule; runs that have two outbound trips get hung up on the inbound deadhead, or the first outbound trip has been held up in so much traffic that they won't make another trip. Before the arrival of the MCIs, ALL runs had standees. Now, few do. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Mar 10 12:25:43 2010, in response to Re: Acceptable Express Equipment...., posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Mar 9 23:35:52 2010. Since they were destined for local lines, they would eventually need to be reseated anyway from the increased wear and tear, as well as the vandalism. |
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