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Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Jan 6 00:16:03 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 21:27:38 2009. I'll say that front shot looks pretty scary to me; like something from beyond the planet.They used to call our Grumman 870's "Darth Vader" buses back in the day; they should see this one! Overall, the color and the lines of this bus look nice. jrc |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jan 6 00:25:05 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Excellent pics and interesting assymetrical front door.I'm just hoping for a hybrid model and/or a Rutgers piggyback order. Be nice to see these on the LX or F to give students some breathing room. |
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Posted by CAT218 on Tue Jan 6 01:25:39 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by lbt 9415 on Mon Jan 5 23:28:21 2009. However, the operational savings by having shorter running times would more than offset a few fare evaders. Plus, those that would happen to successfully cheat the system will have to pay eventually unless that is the only route they ever use. If they are connecting to the subway or another route that doesn't have the third door, they'll have to pay to ride....It all catches up to them in the end, whether it's finally getting caught or having to pay to continue on. |
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Posted by Futurekbarticop on Tue Jan 6 01:40:08 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. I will tell you guys straight up. That bus won't come with 3doors or a rear window. The back does look weird though. |
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Posted by Futurekbarticop on Tue Jan 6 01:41:51 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by 33rd Street on Mon Jan 5 17:52:54 2009. No it doesn't. |
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Posted by rionOne on Tue Jan 6 01:49:05 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Futurekbarticop on Tue Jan 6 01:40:08 2009. Actually, The Rear window is NOT a option... Either you get the rear window OR you don't get the bus.I do have solid information about this bus and the new MTA-Nova relationship...But will share on either NYC Transit Forums or Transitstuff sometime tomorrow. |
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Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Tue Jan 6 02:08:55 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by WillD on Tue Jan 6 00:25:05 2009. What kind of buses do those routes currently use? |
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Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Tue Jan 6 02:16:41 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Mon Jan 5 21:27:38 2009. looks aight. the 60-BRT looks slightly better imo. |
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Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Tue Jan 6 02:19:15 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by rionOne on Tue Jan 6 01:49:05 2009. Lookin forward to hearing about it. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jan 6 02:40:12 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Grand concourse on Mon Jan 5 19:36:19 2009. Also finally a 3-door artic, this will be much better especially should they decide to give the B44 artics for sbs. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jan 6 02:41:25 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Futurekbarticop on Tue Jan 6 01:40:08 2009. That's a shame, it really should be a 3-door artic. 2 doors don't cut it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 6 07:25:14 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by lbt 9415 on Mon Jan 5 23:28:21 2009. What does that have to do with 2 doors or 3 doors? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 6 07:28:01 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 00:13:57 2009. However, I do have to agree that the 3 doors will work for the SBS.Changing your tune now are we? |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Jan 6 07:31:38 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. WHOA NELLY!! |
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Posted by Mack C-49 on Tue Jan 6 08:40:18 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. This is the best looking new transit vehicle we've seen in recent years. Finally the need for a third door on artics seems to have been recognized. It would also be great to have rear windows again on buses, having given up this feature nearly thirty years ago when the Grummans and RTSs began arriving! |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Tue Jan 6 08:59:18 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Futurekbarticop on Tue Jan 6 01:41:51 2009. Yes it does. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 6 09:46:02 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Mack C-49 on Tue Jan 6 08:40:18 2009. This is the best looking new transit vehicle we've seen in recent years.Dunno, to me it look pretty similar to what Nova has been building for many years. Nothing new here... I agree with the rest of your post. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jan 6 09:53:04 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 21:45:36 2009. On Flx 7340, some little kids got on and,running to the back of the bus, one little boy shouted "a back window". They then knelt on the rear seat and looked out the rear window. Brought back memories!I remember looking out the back window of buses when I was a kid. I see somethings never change. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 6 10:00:23 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jan 6 09:53:04 2009. Kind of like looking out the railfan window of subway trains. Though some people here claim that the loss of the railfan window is no big loss since there is "more to railfanning". How quickly they forget about the children. |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jan 6 10:30:24 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Mon Jan 5 21:21:42 2009. Sure it could, it would work perfectly in the SBS application, being that you need as many doors as possible for boarding/alighting without paying on board the bus, would make things alot faster, which means decreased dwell times at all SBS stops, which means a faster ride overall. In terms of regular applications, however, it would be a little more difficult to deter fare evasion, unless each door was driver-controlled independently of each other, as per Westchester Bee-Line's artics versus a single door control as on NYCT's artics. It can work, though...My two cents, Dr. C |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jan 6 10:38:26 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by rionOne on Tue Jan 6 01:49:05 2009. Yea, that makes sense....I mean, why would they even make it an OPTION if the bus was to my knowledge never produced without a rear window? |
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Posted by TMC RTS 06 on Tue Jan 6 10:51:35 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. Good lord, this thing is hideous.MTA needs to just go on and bury the hatchet with New Flyer and get some D60LFs and be done with it. |
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For Rutgers? (was:Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today) |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jan 6 11:18:54 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Tue Jan 6 02:08:55 2009. At the moment the F and LX run a mix of 40 foot NOVA LFSes and RTSes. The L, C, REXB, and REXL are the other two routes which never see the D60LFs during normal semester schedules (the A, B, H, and EE all use or are wholly composed of D60LFs). During exam schedules and (IIRC) summer and winter semesters the L runs artics as the counterclockwise College Ave-Livingston-Busch line while the A handles the clockwise direction. The C is a parking lot shittle (or "Commuter Express" on Busch which operates with just one bus for the whole day and tends to use the worst RTS possible). The REXL and REXB are true express runs from Busch and Livingston campuses to Cook/Douglass, and really just need shorter headways rather than larger vehicles.The LX tends to get more crowded than the L, mostly owing to the perception that it is faster because of its 'express' run on Rt18, but dwell times at Scott Hall, the SAC, and Beck Hall can make the LX a very long ride. Once the LX stops running at 7:00pm or so the L can become an extremely crowded bus, especially when there are basketball games at the RAC. The F is generally not as crowded as its counterpart the EE, also perhaps due to the perception that the express run on 18 from College Ave to Cook/Douglass makes for a faster ride. But on the College Ave bound leg they follow nearly identical routes up to the Train Station until 8pm, when they follow the exact same route. It is common to see a College Ave bound F bus using an RTS or LFS packed to the gills followed a minute or two later by a College Ave-bound EE using a D60LF with a dozen passengers on it. Despite Nextbus displays to tell them a larger EE bus is just a minute behind the crowded F, kids at College Hall will still pack onto that F bus like it's the last bus of the day. Even if the F doesn't justify artics on the Cook/Douglass bound leg, it should be using them for the College Ave bound leg just to balance out with the EE's D60LFs. Shorter headways would also help the F, but I'd settle for higher capacity just to eliminate the mess an F leading an EE creates. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 11:24:09 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 6 07:28:01 2009. Not totally. For SBS ONLY! |
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Re: For Rutgers? (was:Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today) |
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Posted by rionOne on Tue Jan 6 11:26:14 2009, in response to For Rutgers? (was:Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today), posted by WillD on Tue Jan 6 11:18:54 2009. Well I wouldn't count out LFS Articulateds for Rutgers, IIRC the contract with Academy calls for buses to be replaced after 4 or 6 years or something to that effect. Those D60LFs are at the 6 year mark now.-Trevor |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 11:31:52 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jan 6 10:30:24 2009. I prefer this bus too:     
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 6 11:44:39 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 11:24:09 2009. Why? |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 12:05:31 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 6 11:44:39 2009. SBS-Load passengers easily. Can't do that with a regular service run. Again fare evasions comes up. |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jan 6 12:07:07 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 12:05:31 2009. See this post. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 6 12:10:05 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 12:05:31 2009. Are you totally ignoring most of the posts in this thread? Your supposed fare evasion issue has already been addressed several times. I see it as a non-issue. Thus, three doors would be welcome everywhere. |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusbuff on Tue Jan 6 12:16:13 2009, in response to pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Mon Jan 5 17:32:08 2009. It looks alright except for the back, it looks wierd. It's not where not like the first impressions of the OrionVII now. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 12:22:48 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 6 12:10:05 2009. I think there should be 2 doors only. |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Tue Jan 6 12:35:57 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 00:13:57 2009. What The Fuck is that peice of shit, They look wrose than The Orion VII Next Gens, Damn I wish the MTA could kiss New Flyer's Ass again!!! |
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Re: For Rutgers? (was:Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today) |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jan 6 12:48:14 2009, in response to Re: For Rutgers? (was:Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today), posted by rionOne on Tue Jan 6 11:26:14 2009. I'd much rather see Rutgers dump the RTSes, especially 1575 and 1576, than the D60LFs so as to provide badly needed capacity increases on the F, H, and LX. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 12:48:15 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by R32_3671 on Tue Jan 6 12:35:57 2009. LMAO! It makes the Orion VII Original look awesome. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Tue Jan 6 12:52:27 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 6 07:25:14 2009. If the driver is monitoring the farebox (as they should) when a large group of people is queued to board, two exit doors offer double the opportunity for a fare evader, knowing the driver will not be able to properly observe all three doors during the stop. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 12:54:18 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 12:48:15 2009.  Compared to this:  The Orion VII Wins! |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jan 6 12:56:53 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 11:31:52 2009. Just give it a third door and it'd be a good as the LFSA.
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Posted by QM18Express on Tue Jan 6 12:57:33 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by r17-6599 on Tue Jan 6 00:12:37 2009. Not a problem! :) |
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Posted by QM18Express on Tue Jan 6 12:59:05 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jan 6 00:06:02 2009. Not a problem! :) I ment tall not tell in the sentence that I typed up!I might ride the A series New Flyer's once WMATA gets them. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jan 6 13:01:46 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by kcram3500 on Tue Jan 6 12:52:27 2009. The center door's placement some 20 feet closer to the operator makes it more likely the driver will notice someone boarding at that door illegally than at the rearmost door. Thus it's more fair to say the increase in fare evasion could be expected to be on the order of half again or so. But then maybe it's about time to get rid of the driver being responsible for babysitting the passengers and go to a proof of payment system on most bus lines. It's safer and far more effective than sticking with an outdated arrangement which requires the driver to multitask and allows a fare beating passenger a free ride once they're on the bus. |
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Posted by Mack C-49 on Tue Jan 6 13:31:17 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 6 09:46:02 2009. True, this Nova artic is clearly derived from the 40' NovaLF which has been around for a while, although a rare sight in NYC. (I think the improvement of the front headlight arrangement is notable.)Of course appearance is always a subjective matter, but I think this Nova has much more visual appeal than the NF artics in high or low floor or an artic based on the Orion7NG. |
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Posted by RTS_Book on Tue Jan 6 13:49:35 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Futurekbarticop on Tue Jan 6 01:40:08 2009. Why would it not come with a rear window? Adds visibility and safety to the bus, which is why Chicago forced TMC to develop one for the RTS when they ordered Series 08s... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 6 13:53:58 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 12:22:48 2009. Why? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 6 14:00:26 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by kcram3500 on Tue Jan 6 12:52:27 2009. I don't understand how the driver can't monitor two rears doors as well, or at least almost as well, as he monitors one rear door today. The additional door is closer to the front of the bus.And besides, look at how this issue is dealt with today. I've seen people enter through the rear doors of buses and nothing happened. What prevents more people from doing it? I just don't see any super effective back door anti-fare-evasion method in place today that would be severely compromised by adding another rear door. |
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Posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Tue Jan 6 14:07:12 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Futurekbarticop on Tue Jan 6 01:40:08 2009. Well, the 3-doors would actually make it easier for unload / load times, especially for Manhattan routes. |
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Re: For Rutgers? (was:Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today) |
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Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Tue Jan 6 15:50:03 2009, in response to For Rutgers? (was:Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today), posted by WillD on Tue Jan 6 11:18:54 2009. Yes, for Rutgers. Thank you for the detailed explanation. |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 17:24:36 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 6 13:53:58 2009. Why not? Is this 20 questions? 1 for entering and 1 for exiting. |
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Re: For Rutgers? (was:Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today) |
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Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Tue Jan 6 17:32:37 2009, in response to Re: For Rutgers? (was:Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today), posted by rionOne on Tue Jan 6 11:26:14 2009. Are any of the Nova's used for Rutgers service NJT leased buses as part of the Perth Amboy pool of leased NJT buses or is it all Academy-purchased equipment? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 6 18:16:00 2009, in response to Re: pics: 0054 Nova Artic today, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Tue Jan 6 17:24:36 2009. Why not?Because more is better. Higher capacity egress. Encourages more people to move back and to spread out, since they will be close to a door no matter where they stand. Is this 20 questions? No, we're still on the very first question. 1 for entering and 1 for exiting. Two for exiting is often better than just one. See above. That IS one of the main reasons buses have more than one rear door... |
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