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Re: ''World Class Bus Rapid Transit'' for Woodhaven Blvd... lol

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 5 11:29:50 2014, in response to Re: ''World Class Bus Rapid Transit'' for Woodhaven Blvd... lol, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Nov 5 08:57:52 2014.

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You really don't see Cooper backing up if all the Metroplitan left turners used Cooper to access Metropolitan? When I used Woodhaven daily for 9 years, I used at least a dozen alternates and reroutes for different parts of Woodhaven when traffic was heavy. There were big variances from day to day. Some days you could take Woodhaven all the way, and on others I would use three or four different reroutes each time getting back to Woodhaven to save time on days traffic was extra heavy. I remember days when Cooper westbound was also backed up. To add more traffic on Cooper would not be wise.

And what about the angle of the streets? That is certainly not an easy turn for big trucks to negotiate, if they could do it at all. Woodhaven is the only truck route in the area. We can't just make believe that trucks don't exist.

With all due respect, you may be a traffic engineer, but I actually used Woodhaven daily for nine years and still use it today. You can guess and say 88 St didn't save me time, but I can assuredly say it saved me five minutes and this is how I know. When the bridge was at a standstill, it could take at least three or four green cycles to get through Union Turnpike. I've timed those trips over the bridge as taking 10 minutes.

Similarly on those days, when I used 88 St, I have reached Union Turnpike in five minutes. Even on days when I would have to wait 30 seconds for the one of two daily trains to pass, I still would save time. As further proof, I would also note an easy to spot vehicle in front of me going over the bridge like a school bus or a red SUV, then switch to 88 Street. When I would glance in my rear view mirror crossing Union Turnpike, I would always see that vehicle half way up the bridge with 20 vehicles or more still in front of it waiting to get to Union Turnpike. So I know that reroute saved me time. I am not guessing.

Also, I can tell you that a mid-block slip would definitely work north of 103 St. First of all traffic on the service road is much lighter at that point than on the main roadway. Of course, cars would have to momentarily pause when switching to the service road, but that is still better than being stuck for over five minutes at a single traffic signal as is presently happening at Rockaway Blvd.

Also, myself and many other savvy drivers would illegally switch to the service road at 95th Avenue when traffic permitted. On some days we would sail down the service road between 103 Street and Rockaway Blvd making the green signals at Rockaway Blvd and Liberty Avenue while the right two lanes in the main roadway were standing still. Also, for many years that switch was legal because there either was no sign to prohibit it or it had fallen off and wasn't replaced for several years.

It is one thing to plan using what you learned in school and looking at data, and another to actually know what is going on from day to day because you actually experience it and live it. When I went to school, we called planners who planned from their desks "ivory tower" planners. That is exactly what DOT and you are doing today.


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