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Re: ''World Class Bus Rapid Transit'' for Woodhaven Blvd... lol |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Nov 11 06:25:48 2014, in response to Re: ''World Class Bus Rapid Transit'' for Woodhaven Blvd... lol, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 11 00:46:50 2014. So your solution is to increase the green time for Cooper? Don't you also have to consider what that would do to traffic on Metropolitan?My solution is to first see if it's physically possible (it is), then to look at traffic volumes and see if it's operationally possible (unknown). "Increasing the green time" is not the only solution and is the most simplistic. The point is you have to figure all these things out to make sure everything will work before you come to a conclusion that you want SBS on Woodhaven. You don't first decide you will put in SBS and say we will just work out the traffic problems later because you may not be able to work them out later. SBS can work with or without prohibiting left turns at Woodhaven and Metropolitan. It just happens to be that left turns are prohibited on the current conceptual plan. If you're concerned, you should have gone to the meeting and made your voice heard, or at least asked for an explanation of how it's going to work. I have not seen anything about traffic volumes currently and what they would be after the proposed changes are made. That is the problem...Where is DOT's traffic volumes and projections? Why haven't they been shared with the public to convince us that this is in fact doable. It would be released if they have nothing to hide. That would be community involvement. Not the sham that is being passed off as community participation. I assume in the Congested Corridors report, which isn't online. I'd also like to see that information, but traffic volumes and level of service don't usually mean a lot to the general public. Funny you ask about the opposing traffic because my friend and I tried it out today around 3 PM when there was little traffic. Guess what time southbound traffic peaks on Woodhaven Boulevard! Slide 7 The detour took about two extra minutes. It woud no doubly be much longer during the rush hour. We waited about 15 seconds for traffic to clear (like about 10 cars) before we could make that left. No one was parked in the sixty feet closest to the corner, so through traffic was able to go around us while we were waiting. Then it would probably benefit from a protected left turn phase. Did you make the turn both ways using a stopwatch to verify that it was "about" two minutes? It would be quite a different situation if those legal parking spaces had been occupied. Someone's 15 seconds might have been ruined! :O And if you remember our original discussion, I was saying that for this to work, parking would have to be banned near the corner and probably for the entire block during rush hours. You were the one who was insisting that the single lane on Cooper would work for through traffic as well as left turns. No, I said it is a single lane in response to your claim that a truck would have to make an "illegal" left turn from the non-existent "right lane." Even doing all that might still be enough for the rush hours because you are adding all the cars who currently turn east onto Metropolitan from Woodhaven south plus all the cars that turn that turn onto Metropolitan west onto Cooper westbound. I must have missed where right turns from Woodhaven to Metropolitan were being prohibited, especially where the concepts show a right turn arrow on the pavement. So if 11 cars during non rush hours in the first category are forced onto Cooper west plus 11 cars in the second category, and the cycles are 30 seconds each, that's 22 additional cars per minute in addition to the current traffic. I would expect turning volumes as well as through traffic to be even greater for the peak hours. That's a lot of ifs. 1,320 vehicles turning per hour? That's about two thirds of the entire southbound peak hour traffic on Woodhaven. |
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