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Re: ''World Class Bus Rapid Transit'' for Woodhaven Blvd... lol |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 6 10:06:35 2014, in response to Re: ''World Class Bus Rapid Transit'' for Woodhaven Blvd... lol, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 5 18:31:05 2014. Your plan at Metropolitan requires trucks to make a left turn from the right lane into the right lane and it would have to be done very cautiously and would be extremely tie consuming. Doesn't at all sound like a safe plan and I do not believe it would be legal either. A single truck woud totally tie up traffic on Cooper because cars would already be lined up in the left lane waiting to make a turn.Cooper is a single lane. There is no "right lane." It wouldn't be practical if that's a heavy truck movement, but if there are a handful of tractor trailers a day making that movement it's no big deal. If a truck s also waiting in thrift and to ale a left, that means all traffic on Cooper comes to a complete halt until the truck makes his turn. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. Something about sobriety of truck drivers? And you don't believe it would take cars ten minutes longer to use tat route? Better think again. No, I don't believe adding 820 feet to a trip would add ten minutes. My reroute using 88 Street was five minutes quicker than Woodhaven because I was constantly moving, although I had to travel further, while Woodaven traffic over the bridge was standing still at least 50% of the time. if the alternative you suggest to stay on 88 St until 81 Road were viable, don't you think I would have used it. Yes, on Google Maps the street is empty, but during the evening rush hour it is solid cars between 78 Avenue and 81 Road making it just as bad as Woodhaven. If it's "just as bad," then what difference does it make? NYCDOT doesn't have to keep an unsafe lane configuration at Woodhaven and Union Turnpike just to enable you to cut through local streets to save yourself a couple minutes. In fact, it's better that they prevent you from cutting through local streets. Funny my personal experience is similar to the scores of other cars who were smart enough to use the same reroute as I did. It is still better than a traffic engineer who s panning with no experience at all. No, it's worse, because those "scores of cars" are "planning" for their own personal convenience at one narrow time of day and ignoring entire picture. It's as if the streets cease to exist outside the afternoon rush hour! You supposed to make a right turn from Woodhaven by knowing not to get on the main roadway in the first place if you have to make a right. If you're coming from north of Union Turnpike, you can't get on the service road until Myrtle Avenue unless you divert through local streets to 88th Street and Union Turnpike. Then if you want to turn right at Rockaway Boulevard, you have to get on the service road a mile and quarter in advance at Park Lane South. The service road should be for local traffic only. I have been to every other Woodhaven SBS meeting as well as the last Congested Corridors meeting. I am skipping the one tonight because SBS is a forgone conclusion. It does not matter what anyone says. The plan will still be implemented with many drivers inconvenienced. SBS may be a foregone conclusion. How it will be implemented is still being discussed, including details like where left turn lanes are needed, or how those movements would be made in their absence. Several poster boards will be displayed showing what is already on the Internet. Mst people will not even realize from looking at the diagrams that the two left turns we dscussed will be banned. If someone asks the question, they will be answered privately so that others who do not see it will never know. That is intentional to limit knowledge and discussion. Yes, displaying a median and a through arrow on the pavement is deliberately hiding a plan to eliminate a left turn lane.  I am just glad I do not have to use Woodhaven on a daily basis anymore. In that case, I'm glad you didn't go to the meeting. How do I know what will happen at tonight's meeting? Because that is exactly how the B44 SBS was presented to the public. Here look at some sampe intersections and tell us what you think. There was no mention that any parking spaces will be eliminated, and when asked te question, DOT would only answer that the number would be insignificant. It's at the conceptual stage; the actual number won't be known until it's actually designed. It's clear from the drawings that plan is to have the bus lane and the parking lane peacefully coexist, probably with a space or two eliminated at the stations. Also, not a word was mentioned about a lane of traffic being removed to accommodate the exclusive bus lane. It was up to you to look at the pictures and count the lanes to figure it out for yourself. The presentation clearly says "Bus lanes and 3 lanes of general traffic in each direction with renderings and plan views of each concept. Most who use Woodhaven and do not live near the corridor (and there are plenty) have absolutely no idea of what is being planned for auto traffic. The people who do live near the corridor (60 percent of whom commute by transit and 43 percent of whom do not even have a car) have to live with it daily. Their needs have to be balanced with the needs of peak hour commuter traffic. DOT has not even stated the hours SBS will be in effect or explained the differences between SBS and BRT. The only thing that is keeping DOT from doing full BRT is they don't have the money yet. They don't care that it makes absolutely no sense at all for exclusive bus lanes on weekends because buses would save no time at all since they are already traveling at top speed. Those are operational considerations that don't have much bearing at the conceptual phase. It's not like the curbs are going to move on weekends. |
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