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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 21 11:05:34 2016, in response to Re: Do something postive with your time, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jul 21 08:25:25 2016. LOL😄😀!And THAT is more than enough to drive home any and EVERYTHING I've said about you! Look at the EFFORT,the extent you are willing to go to "PROVE" how Right you are. As Ive ALWAYS SAID...you NEED this place,and other enthusiasts to validate YOU. As for your comments about me...AGAIN,you have a Hard time COMPREHENDING SIMPLER LOGIC. I don't give a shit WHAT a whining bitch like you thinks or feels about me! I called you out...got You pegged, NOW,you're THAT MAD ? You FUNNY little woman. Youve been SON'ED out...now go get your father. |
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Re: Edwards is right about Goebbels |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 21 11:16:35 2016, in response to Edwards is right about Goebbels, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 09:55:51 2016. LOL...I dont carry one ounce of concern over crybaby Brian. As far as my rep stands,who gives a damn what somebody thinks of you? This place is for FUN..to be ENJOYED by US,sharing our LOVE for BUSES and TRAINS. Definitely did Not sign on to be CONSTANTLY assaulted verbally by some egomaniac asshole carpetbaging transplant with need to be Right fettish. FUCK HIM. |
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Re: Goebbels is a hypocrite |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Jul 21 12:08:59 2016, in response to Goebbels is a hypocrite, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 09:48:41 2016. OK Goebbels Did you forget your wife gave birth?http://www.subchat.com/otchat/read.asp?Id=1370452 I find it funny that looking inside a crib isn't enough verification for you that you have a new born son. How about the message you wrote about the birth? GOTCHA and OWNED You're slipping. Your child keeping you up late at night. OH, what child??? LOL!!! Whatever childish reasons Brian has in his posts - - that does not give you the reason to be a baby yourself. Frankly, if you have a maturity level, you would leave specific life events (birth, marriage) off the thread. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 12:13:15 2016, in response to Re: Goebbels is a hypocrite, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Jul 21 12:08:59 2016. He's a bully and I'm standing up to him. He behaves like there's no consequences for his actions. You can disagree with Bus without being nasty. You can disagree with Bus without changing what he wrote and then slamming him for what he didn't write.Cryin' Brian has mental issues and he's taking them out on the list. Why should he be allowed to get away with them? He doesn't play by any conventional rules so I don't have to play either. Maybe when he starts feeling pain he will modify his behavior. He enjoys inflicting pain on others. I want him to find out what pain feels like. |
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Re: Weinberg's occupation |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 21 14:35:37 2016, in response to Re: Weinberg's occupation, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jul 20 23:18:14 2016. I have no idea what you are talking about. I worked for the MTA three months short of 25 years. Who on thus board "lasted much longer" than I did.And what reputation I have made for myself that you are referring to. The reputation that I made the largest number of positive changes to local bus routes in history up to 1978. Or is it the reputation for singlehandedly saving the MTA $4 million and with others another $38 million? If you are gong to make bad innuendos about my reputation, you need to back up what you say with facts or you are no different than Brian of R30A (Lincoln). |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 21 14:38:17 2016, in response to Weinberg's occupation, posted by nostalgia on Wed Jul 20 22:51:33 2016. That Times article fits him to a T.Where is the article where he told a reporter he is a transportation planner? |
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Re: Goebbels is a hypocrite |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 21 14:41:26 2016, in response to Goebbels is a hypocrite, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 09:48:41 2016. Owned. |
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Re: B44 Progress Report Released |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 21 14:44:24 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jul 21 08:47:14 2016. If you think I am going to wast any more time with you, you are nuts.The thread is about the B44 Progress Report and that is what I am here to discuss, not responses to your useless dribble and attacks. Go and take care of your son. |
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Re: Weinberg's occupation |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 21 14:44:45 2016, in response to Re: Weinberg's occupation, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 21 14:35:37 2016. I was an hourly for over 34 years avoiding the goons at Labor Relations who still give out days in the street for the most minor infraction like kids get Halloween candy. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 15:37:05 2016, in response to Re: Weinberg's occupation, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 21 14:38:17 2016. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/nyregion/31metrocards.html?_r=0About halfway down in the article: Terrapin Station, 28, a transportation planner from the Bronx, considers his “Celebrate AirTrain JFK” MetroCard the crown jewel of his collection. “I believe that it was only handed out to people who rode the JFK AirTrain on opening day,” said Mr. Weinberg. He said his favorite cards were those issued to recognize special events and dates for New York City Transit, like the series produced for the centennial of the subway system in 2004 and the two-card set issued in honor of the 75th anniversary of the A train in 2007. Note: the article is dated August 2008 when he was 28. That means he is about 36 today. I presume his narcissism is getting worse since 2008 based on his behavior. |
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Re: Goebbels is a hypocrite |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 15:37:39 2016, in response to Re: Goebbels is a hypocrite, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 21 14:41:26 2016. Bus:You're getting pretty good as this. LOL!! |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 16:13:03 2016, in response to Re: Goebbels is a hypocrite, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 12:13:15 2016. enough already alan Bradley. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 16:19:37 2016, in response to Re: Goebbels is a hypocrite, posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 16:13:03 2016. Who is Alan Bradley? It's not me. |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 16:20:28 2016, in response to Re: Goebbels is a hypocrite, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 16:19:37 2016. Yes, it is. You met Kevin Flynn, remember? |
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Re: B44 Progress Report Released |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 16:21:40 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by R30A on Fri Jul 8 13:22:30 2016. Part 1. Synopsis"Using misleading and incomplete statistics, the NYC Department of Transportation (DOT)claims its joint venture with the MTA, Select Bus Service,or SBS as it is more commonly known, is a huge success which meritsfurther expansion." Nothing is misleading or incomplete about the statistics released. The B46 SBS just started operation on July 3, 2016with the M23 and Q70 to start within the nextfew months.DOT Commissionerand MTA BoardMemberPolly Trottenberg stated to Jose Martinezof NY 1on his program” InTransit”on July 1st:"Usually we see a 10 percent increase in ridership on SBS routes. B44 SBS ridership increased by 10 percent. Travel times decreasedbybetween 10 and 30 percent.” "However, further investigation reveals these conclusions are misleading at best or at worst,outright wrong.The 10 percent increase in SBS service was for the second year only and does not consider the four percent decrease in local service. So the B44 ridership increase in 2015 was really six percent. However, during the first year of SBS operation, 2014, B44 ridership declined by eight percent. So when you examine B44 ridership before and after SBS, you find that since its institution,B44 ridership actually declined by two percent.(The borough average for non-express routes declined by 1.9 percentduring that time. So the B44 performed no better or worse than a typical bus route.) They were looking at the stats for SBS B44, not the B44 overall. You are looking at different statistics. Not a valid comparison. "Bus reliability, the bus riders’ chief complaint is not improvedby SBS." You have absolutely no support for this claim. "In the first few days of operation, a B46 bus rider was already complaining she let three SBS buses pass before the arrival of a local." What does the B46 have to do with this? Regardless, if one improves the limited/SBS service, it makes sense that more limited/SBS buses would pass before the local comes. Furthermore, reliability is not frequency. She is complaining about FREQUENCY of a DIFFERENT SERVICE, NOT SBS, NOT RELIABILITY, NOT EVEN THE B44! "The MTA's claims of B44 SBS success are largely fictional." No, they are not. They actually back up their successes, with REAL and RELEVANT numbers! "Neither SBS goal of reversing the decline in local bus ridership nor notslowing down traffic flowdue to the institution of exclusive bus lanes wasmet." A. Where did they say these were their specific goals? B. Where did they say that these were their ONLY goals? C. There is no evidence here that either was not achieved regardless. D. They DID show that traffic was not slowed substantially. E. They DID show that ridership quickly rebounded from the freefall it was in at the time of implementation. "(So a new set of goals waschosen.)" Or so you claim. "The Progress Report, just released the last weekin June,is grossly deficient and incomplete by failing to include necessary data and information such as data on passenger trip times," Actually, it is full of good data. Unfortunately you seem unable to read it. "number of passengers having to payan additional fare due to SBS," There is no reason to assume ANY of these exist, so such would be a nonissue. "fare machine reliability," Not particularly relevant from a riders perspective. "deficient signage and roadway markings," Absolutely irrelevant to the bus riders. "bus and curbside traffic lane enforcement problems," If nothing is worth noting, it won't be noted. "the number of parking spaces removed," Again, absolutely irrelevant to bus riders "fare evasion data," Again, if there is nothing notable to note, why would anything be mentioned. "inadequate public noticecausing initial mass confusion," There was substantial notice. People ignore posters all the time. "and data on bus bunching reductions due to the exclusive bus lanesif in fact that was the case." I'd certainly like to see more reliability data here too. "There also is no mention of annual bus ridership. Only average weekday ridership was considered." They show average weekday ridership. The two are closely related. This is a nonissue. "The MTA failed to survey local bus riders after SBS implementation or provide a survey methodology." That is blatantly false. "Much of the report relates to meetings held prior to implementation instead of describing the progress since implementation." OK. So? "The MTA also falsely equates bus travel time with passenger travel time when the twoare two totally different metrics." Yes, they are different. They are certainly related however, and the numbers they produced are SUBSTANTIALLY more reliable than any estimate of passenger travel time would be as they are REAL. "Passenger travel time also includes walking and waiting for a bus. Walking times are especially significant because SBS bus stops are placed further apart than Local or Limited bus stops and can be as far as a mile apart. Limited bus stops can be a mile apart too. Historically some were substantially longer than that! The number of stops being changed is nowhere near as significant as you imply it is. "A 30 percent reduction in bus travel time does not indicate that passengers are completing their trip in 30 percent less time, which is what the MTA is inferring." Actually, it isn't what they are inferring. That is why they put a large range of 10-30%. "There needs to be an immediate moratorium on new SBS routes until the MTA switches to contactless media in 2019." No. There is absolutely no reason for such. "It is a waste of money to now invest in fare equipment thatwill be obsolete in three years." The existing fare equipment can easily be modified to handle contactless fare media. "Not charginga fare on the proposed Q70 SBS,as suggested by the Riders Alliance,is more prudent than spendingmillions of dollars on fareequipment to be used only for two or threeyears." There is no reason to believe it would only be used for two or three years. BUT. EVEN IF IT WAS. THERE ARE ONLY TWO STOPS WHICH NEED IT. "DOT and the MTA must be made accountable by providing fair, complete and transparentanalyses of their SBS projects and to spend their limited funds wisely." Which they do time and time again. I'll get around to dissecting the rest soon enough. |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 16:32:48 2016, in response to Re: Goebbels is a hypocrite, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Jul 21 12:08:59 2016. LOL! PWN3D! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 21 16:45:18 2016, in response to Re: Goebbels is a hypocrite, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Jul 21 12:08:59 2016. Dave...look at it this way.He NEVER gives others the same accolades or respect HE EXPECTS from others. EVERYTHING is open season for him...NOTHING IS OFF LIMITS. So why does he deserve any sort of pass? Or did you forget what he use to call you under your other handle? Something to do with selling batteries.... |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 17:42:55 2016, in response to Re: Goebbels is a hypocrite, posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 16:20:28 2016. I don't know why you think I'm Alan Bradley who I don't even know. |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 17:48:43 2016, in response to Re: Goebbels is a hypocrite, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 17:42:55 2016. yes you are. get with the program! |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 17:49:41 2016, in response to Re: Goebbels is a hypocrite, posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 17:48:43 2016. If I ever become unhappy with my life, I'll assume the identity of Alan Bradley. Is he wealthy? LOL!! |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 17:50:14 2016, in response to Re: Goebbels is a hypocrite, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 17:49:41 2016. wow, you still don't even have a clue.... |
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Re: B44 Progress Report Released |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Thu Jul 21 19:08:18 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by Cornell Park on Wed Jul 20 22:34:46 2016. Wow no response. Brooklyn Bus and his nazi reference master were both here to bash Brian, and nobody could take the time to answer my question of "Really?". I would believe if I am calling "bulls**t" on something, they would want to prove me wrong, but I guess not. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 19:17:00 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by Cornell Park on Thu Jul 21 19:08:18 2016. I'm not part of the Vision conversation so there's no reason for me to answer.Bus has to defend his arguments. I just react to Goebbels' nasty messages. |
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Re: B44 Progress Report Released |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 19:23:14 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 19:17:00 2016. cut the crap goebbels |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 21 20:33:57 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by Cornell Park on Thu Jul 21 19:08:18 2016. BrooklynBus and his pet Shih-tzu can't admit when they're wrong when someone smarter than them shows them to be wrong. Typical hypocritical behavior. |
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Re: B44 Progress Report Released |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 20:45:08 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 16:21:40 2016. Page 2:Introduction "On November 13, 2013 after abouttenyears of planning with implementationtwoyears overdue, the B44 SBS began operation. It was proposed in 2009for 2011 implementation, but its roots go as far back as 2003 when it was one of four possibleSBS route choicesfor Brooklyn." OK. "The MTA implemented SBS service along a modified B44 bus route. It took until June 2016 before the MTA released specific results." No. A great amount of data were available before June 2016. "All previous SBS route progress reports were available shortly after the first complete year of operation. So why the 1½ year delay with the B44? Why did we have to wait over 2½ years for statistics to be announced?The report seems to indicate that ongoing SBS andother road construction during the first year prevented less than favorable results." We didn't. We only had to wait over 2.5 years for it to be presented in a single report. The numbers show it has been a success since shortly after day one. "So the question needs to be asked why was there construction for an entire year after implementation?" Because apparently construction was needed. "Why couldn't there have been better coordination between the agencies or the project delayed until construction was complete?" Why delay an essential project for construction? "Those questions are not addressed." That is because they are ridiculous. A more probable explanation for the report delay is that the MTA was awaiting statistics which they could spin to portray this effort as a monumental success when the facts prove otherwise. They clearly had the data to show it was a success since day one. More likely than your absurd conspiracies is that this is when someone actually ASKED for them. "They did exactly that.B44 ResultsThe MTA states that SBS ridership is up by 10 percent and bus travel times up by between 15 and 31 percent, so success is unquestionable." Pretty unquestionable. "However, if you actually read the report along with theannual bus ridership statistics (which is available independent from the SBS statistics)you will arrive at a totally different conclusion, that not only has the B44 SBS been afailure," Nah, no statistics demonstrate anything but a tremendous success overall. "but the entire SBS program has largely failed with the possible exception of the Bx12, Bx44 and M86." And M34/A and M15, and Q44 and M60 and BX41 etc. It is an unmistakable success all around. "M15The MTA has been harping on the statistic that M15 (First and Second Avenue) ridership is up by 9 percent using that as justification to further expand the SBS program. All this time they have been referring to first year ridership results for 2011." Yes, because THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS WHICH TELL YOU HOW SBS IS AFFECTING RIDERSHIP. "For the past three years straight, M15 SBS ridership has declined and today it is 9.4 percent lower than it was before SBS started, failing to reverse the decline in citywide bus ridership during the past ten years when subway ridership has been skyrocketing." Which has nothing to do with SBS. A. Ridership is falling all around. B. The M15 has a tremendous amount of construction affecting it. "MTA proponents have repeatedly stated that the only statistics that matter are what has happened during the first year and declines during following years are caused by other factors irrelevant to SBS." Yes, because they understand what a variable is. "You will see later why this is important.Before implementation in 2010, there were 16,070,271 M15 riders. (SBS started in October.) There were 17,424,366 riders in 2011. The ridership numbers for 2015 was 14,566,785 down 6.7 percent since 2014 or down 2,857,581 since 2011 (the first complete year of operation) or 16.4 percent. The borough average for non-express bus routes was down 4.7 percent since 2014and only by 12.1 percent since2011.So despite the MTA's claim of success, M15 has performed 25 percent worse than other Manhattan non-express bus routes after its initial first year and nearly 50 percent worse in the past year." Which has nothing to do with SBS at all. "These facts, however, have not prevented the MTA from continuing to claim the M15 is a success by looking only at first year ridership in 2011." Yes. The MTA understands how numbers work. "How Does This Affect the B44?So let us now return to the MTA's B44 statistics the MTA and DOT are harping on allegingsuccess. The first one is that SBS ridership is up by 10 percent." For good reason! It clearly is a success. The numbers speak for themselves. "This actually means as the MTA further explains, that 2015 ridership on the SBS portion of the route rose by 10 percent over 2014 ridership levels. The local, however, declined by four percent so the net ridership increase for the entire route is only sixpercent" But the B44 Local is not what is being evaluated. 10 percent IS the rise for SBS. And lowering ridership of the local demonstrates what a success SBS is! The SBS is so successful that it is converting established local riders into SBS riders. That is a sign of SUCCESS, not failure! |
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Re: B44 Progress Report Released |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 20:45:10 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 16:21:40 2016. Page 2:Introduction "On November 13, 2013 after abouttenyears of planning with implementationtwoyears overdue, the B44 SBS began operation. It was proposed in 2009for 2011 implementation, but its roots go as far back as 2003 when it was one of four possibleSBS route choicesfor Brooklyn." OK. "The MTA implemented SBS service along a modified B44 bus route. It took until June 2016 before the MTA released specific results." No. A great amount of data were available before June 2016. "All previous SBS route progress reports were available shortly after the first complete year of operation. So why the 1½ year delay with the B44? Why did we have to wait over 2½ years for statistics to be announced?The report seems to indicate that ongoing SBS andother road construction during the first year prevented less than favorable results." We didn't. We only had to wait over 2.5 years for it to be presented in a single report. The numbers show it has been a success since shortly after day one. "So the question needs to be asked why was there construction for an entire year after implementation?" Because apparently construction was needed. "Why couldn't there have been better coordination between the agencies or the project delayed until construction was complete?" Why delay an essential project for construction? "Those questions are not addressed." That is because they are ridiculous. A more probable explanation for the report delay is that the MTA was awaiting statistics which they could spin to portray this effort as a monumental success when the facts prove otherwise. They clearly had the data to show it was a success since day one. More likely than your absurd conspiracies is that this is when someone actually ASKED for them. "They did exactly that.B44 ResultsThe MTA states that SBS ridership is up by 10 percent and bus travel times up by between 15 and 31 percent, so success is unquestionable." Pretty unquestionable. "However, if you actually read the report along with theannual bus ridership statistics (which is available independent from the SBS statistics)you will arrive at a totally different conclusion, that not only has the B44 SBS been afailure," Nah, no statistics demonstrate anything but a tremendous success overall. "but the entire SBS program has largely failed with the possible exception of the Bx12, Bx44 and M86." And M34/A and M15, and Q44 and M60 and BX41 etc. It is an unmistakable success all around. "M15The MTA has been harping on the statistic that M15 (First and Second Avenue) ridership is up by 9 percent using that as justification to further expand the SBS program. All this time they have been referring to first year ridership results for 2011." Yes, because THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS WHICH TELL YOU HOW SBS IS AFFECTING RIDERSHIP. "For the past three years straight, M15 SBS ridership has declined and today it is 9.4 percent lower than it was before SBS started, failing to reverse the decline in citywide bus ridership during the past ten years when subway ridership has been skyrocketing." Which has nothing to do with SBS. A. Ridership is falling all around. B. The M15 has a tremendous amount of construction affecting it. "MTA proponents have repeatedly stated that the only statistics that matter are what has happened during the first year and declines during following years are caused by other factors irrelevant to SBS." Yes, because they understand what a variable is. "You will see later why this is important.Before implementation in 2010, there were 16,070,271 M15 riders. (SBS started in October.) There were 17,424,366 riders in 2011. The ridership numbers for 2015 was 14,566,785 down 6.7 percent since 2014 or down 2,857,581 since 2011 (the first complete year of operation) or 16.4 percent. The borough average for non-express bus routes was down 4.7 percent since 2014and only by 12.1 percent since2011.So despite the MTA's claim of success, M15 has performed 25 percent worse than other Manhattan non-express bus routes after its initial first year and nearly 50 percent worse in the past year." Which has nothing to do with SBS at all. "These facts, however, have not prevented the MTA from continuing to claim the M15 is a success by looking only at first year ridership in 2011." Yes. The MTA understands how numbers work. "How Does This Affect the B44?So let us now return to the MTA's B44 statistics the MTA and DOT are harping on allegingsuccess. The first one is that SBS ridership is up by 10 percent." For good reason! It clearly is a success. The numbers speak for themselves. "This actually means as the MTA further explains, that 2015 ridership on the SBS portion of the route rose by 10 percent over 2014 ridership levels. The local, however, declined by four percent so the net ridership increase for the entire route is only sixpercent" But the B44 Local is not what is being evaluated. 10 percent IS the rise for SBS. And lowering ridership of the local demonstrates what a success SBS is! The SBS is so successful that it is converting established local riders into SBS riders. That is a sign of SUCCESS, not failure! |
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Who is Goebbels? |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 20:46:09 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 19:23:14 2016. I'm not Goebbels. Weinberg is Goebbels. |
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Re: Who is Goebbels? |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 20:46:54 2016, in response to Who is Goebbels?, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 20:46:09 2016. Wrong. |
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Re: B44 Progress Report Released |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 20:47:11 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 21 20:33:57 2016. Well, you definitely know a lot about hypocritical behavior, Goebbels. |
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Re: Who is Goebbels? |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 20:48:11 2016, in response to Re: Who is Goebbels?, posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 20:46:54 2016. You are really confused. LOL!! First, you think I'm Alan Bradley and now you think I'm Goebbels. |
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Re: B44 Progress Report Released |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 20:48:34 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 20:47:11 2016. Hush, Alan. |
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Re: Who is Goebbels? |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 20:51:41 2016, in response to Re: Who is Goebbels?, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 20:48:11 2016. Actually, it's you that can't decide what your name is. You're just like sallam (sark). |
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Re: B44 Progress Report Released |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 20:51:47 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 20:48:34 2016. I'm NOT Alan so I don't have to be quiet. Guess again!! LOL!!! |
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Re: B44 Progress Report Released |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 20:52:12 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 20:51:47 2016. You mad, baby? |
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Re: Who is Goebbels? |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 20:58:41 2016, in response to Re: Who is Goebbels?, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 20:48:11 2016. Actually, it's you that can't decide what your name is. You're just like salaam (sark). |
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Re: B44 Progress Report Released |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 21:09:36 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 20:45:10 2016. "There are two possible explanations for this. One is that riders have found the SBS to be so superior to the local service that they are flocking to it."Yup. "The other is that the local service has deteriorated so much that they would rather put up with walking the extra distance to and from the SBS and perhaps even an extra transfer, justto not have to deal with the local." Certainly possible, but still shows the B44 SBS as a success. "Since the MTA provides no further data, we do not know which reason is correct, but there is no evidence toassume that SBS ridership rose because riders believe they are getting improved service, other than the MTA's very questionable passenger satisfaction survey." LOL The survey you previously said was never taken in your intro. But it does not matter, because both are the same thing in reality. And they show that B44 SBS is a success, as it is taking riders from the B44 local at a greater rate than the B44 Limited did. "Additionally, a portionof the 10 percent increase in SBS ridership has nothing to do with SBS being superior to local or Limited service." Yup. Presumably at least 6%. "Since the SBS operates on Rogers Avenue instead of New York Avenue,some northbound B49 passengers between Farragut Road and St JohnsPlace will now choose the B44 SBS justbecause it arrives prior to the B49 and they can take either bus." Yup. "The B49 has shown a 10.6 percent decline in service since 2013.When the B44 and the B49 are considered as a group, total annual ridership for the two routes in 2013 was 16,490,548. In 2015, it was 15,783,729. Therefore.ridership on these now linked routes is down 4.3 percent while the borough average was only down 3.5 percent within this time period." Yeah, the B44SBS is clearly successful enough that some B49 riders are now taking it. Again, SUCCESS IS NOT A SIGN OF FAILURE. "This is significant because the MTA is claiming that not only has the B44 SBS benefitted from exclusive bus lanes, but the B49 has benefitted as well. So why is ridership down on that route as well since inception of the bus lanes?" Because they are riding the B44. Ridership is not the sole measure of success. If a change results in Route A becoming 10 minutes faster and Route B becoming 6 minutes faster, Route B is still improved, even if it loses ridership to Route A. Anotherquestion not addressed in this progress report.B44 Ridership DifferencesThe net increase in B44 ridership when comparing 2015 to 2014 is six percent when the local is also taken into consideration. Whatthe MTA is not showing in theirProgressReport is that the decline in B44 service during 2014, its first full year of operation, was eightpercent. (All they say isthat ridership declined during the first year.) So the net decrease in B44 ridership since 2013 is twopercent. Therefore, for the B44 as well as the M15, the MTA failed to stem the decline in bus ridership with the institution of SBS, its major goal.So if MTA proponents are correct in that only the first year results matter (a decline of 8 percent in B44 ridership), why should it even matter that ridership on the SBS portion of the route rose by 10 percent during the second year? That should be irrelevant. If they are incorrect, and results do matter after the first year, it is significant that M15 ridership is now 9.4 percent lower than before SBS was instituted on that route making the M15 not the success the MTA claims it is. In any evaluations of new service, it is essential that you use consistent methodology. You cannot cherry pick your data to yield predetermined conclusions of success as the MTA and DOT are doing.Bus Travel TimesNow let us examine the MTA's second statistic they areusing to prove that the B44 SBS is successful. That is that bus travel times decreased by between 15 and 31 percent on the SBS. We have to accept that at face value since we aren't privy to the methodology the MTA used toarrive at thatconclusion. However, although that appears to be a winfor the MTA because it means lowerlabor costs, the MTA doesn’t weigh those savings against the significant enforcement costs to ensure passengers are pre-paying their fares. So we do not know if there really is a saving in labor costs or if it is anywhere close to at least 15 percent. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 21:22:21 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 21:09:36 2016. Apologies. Accidentally hit Post before I finished.Page 3 continued" "Anotherquestion not addressed in this progress report.B44 Ridership DifferencesThe net increase in B44 ridership when comparing 2015 to 2014 is six percent when the local is also taken into consideration." But the local has nothing to do with whether the SBS is a success or not. If the local dropped to zero, that would show the SBS is a tremendous success! "Whatthe MTA is not showing in theirProgressReport is that the decline in B44 service during 2014, its first full year of operation, was eightpercent." Actually they do show that. They showed a rolling ridership total which shows that ridership was precipitously dropping until shortly after SBS was implemented, and after implementation it slowly started to rise again. "(All they say isthat ridership declined during the first year.)" Yes, because it did, but even with the decline, you could see in the ridership trends that it was a successful change. "So the net decrease in B44 ridership since 2013 is twopercent." That is clearly a fallacious line of reasoning if you look at the month by month trend in ridership. "Therefore, for the B44 as well as the M15, the MTA failed to stem the decline in bus ridership with the institution of SBS, its major goal." That is not the major goal of SBS, regardless of how often you repeat it. "So if MTA proponents are correct in that only the first year results matter (a decline of 8 percent in B44 ridership), why should it even matter that ridership on the SBS portion of the route rose by 10 percent during the second year? That should be irrelevant." Because the second year total is what actually shows you the trend in the first year. It is a tool to show how the first year was actually a success. "If they are incorrect, and results do matter after the first year, it is significant that M15 ridership is now 9.4 percent lower than before SBS was instituted on that route making the M15 not the success the MTA claims it is." Nah. Second year does not really matter in either case. "In any evaluations of new service, it is essential that you use consistent methodology." No, it really isn't. This is not meant to be a scientific evaluation. It is meant to be political fluff to make the community understand what is happening. "You cannot cherry pick your data to yield predetermined conclusions of success as the MTA and DOT are doing." You certainly can. "Bus Travel TimesNow let us examine the MTA's second statistic they areusing to prove that the B44 SBS is successful. That is that bus travel times decreased by between 15 and 31 percent on the SBS." That is a pretty damn amazing success right there! "We have to accept that at face value since we aren't privy to the methodology the MTA used toarrive at thatconclusion." Yes, we do. However it is easily believed by anyone who ACTUALLY RIDES these services. "However, although that appears to be a winfor the MTA because it means lowerlabor costs, the MTA doesn’t weigh those savings against the significant enforcement costs to ensure passengers are pre-paying their fares. So we do not know if there really is a saving in labor costs or if it is anywhere close to at least 15 percent. " Really doesn't matter from a rider perspective. Perhaps the eagle teams run in the black? |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 22:03:23 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 20:52:12 2016. I'm not mad. I'm just laughing at YOU for thinking I'm somebody else. I keep writing I'm NOT Alan but you refuse to believe me. Well, the next time you see Alan, ask him why he doesn't acknowledge you here. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 22:12:38 2016, in response to Re: Who is Goebbels?, posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 20:58:41 2016. I know my name and it's NOT ALAN BRADLEY. You should contact the REAL ALAN BRADLEY for confirmation. |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 22:14:34 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 22:03:23 2016. You're crazy. |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 22:15:02 2016, in response to Re: Who is Goebbels?, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 22:12:38 2016. lol. you're mad. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 22:25:17 2016, in response to Re: Who is Goebbels?, posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 21 22:15:02 2016. If you think I'm Alan, then contact me. Surely you have my phone number or email address. See what happens. LOL!! |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 22:45:53 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 20:45:10 2016. Also, what the hell is the Bx44 SBS? |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 23:11:20 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 21:22:21 2016. Page 4."We also do not know the bus trip time savingsfor the passenger." We know the bus time savings. you can get a general idea of passenger time savings from that. " Are their trip timesalsoreduced?" Many certainly are. "The progress report does not discuss passenger trip times. We cannot merely assume that if the buses saved up to 31 percent of their travel time, the passenger did as well,as the MTA has done." Depends on the passenger of course. "The MTA is equating bus travel times with passenger travel times which is comparing apples and oranges." No. Passengers ride the buses, which makes the amount of time the bus takes an essential part of how long it takes a passenger to get where they are going. "They are concluding that since buses are traveling up to 31 percent quicker, passenger trips are also up to 31 percent quicker." I sure hope they conclude that! The statement above is an outright fact. "person's trip is much more than his travel on the bus." Yes. "Wait and walking times must also be included as part of totaltrip time" Yes, but by and large those don't change that much with most SBS conversions. While the two block move makes the B44 change much more significant, there is no reason to assume that more people have to wait longer due to the changes. "as well as the possibility of missing your bus by having to pay your fare prior to boarding." Generally a nonissue. The buses tend to wait. "This can be especially significantwhen there are long lines due to inoperable fare machines." Made up issue. This does not happen in reality. "This is all ignored by the MTA contributing to their erroneous conclusion that passengers are saving up to 31 percent in their travel time." Yes, the figments of your imagination are ignored by any competent transit agency. "What is more troubling is that the media is allowing the MTA and DOT to perpetrate this deception without questioning them." Yeah! The horror of improved transportation must be stopped!!!!! "Most likely those making longer trips,e.g.over five miles do save time." As do those making shorter trips. But yes, those traveling over five miles do save time, much like those traveling under five miles. "Passengers traveling eight miles on the SBS could save as much as 15 minutes." I would not reject the possibility. "The problem is the average B44 trip is only 2.3 miles, so bus speeds become less of a factor for most trips, while extra walking distances to and from SBS stops become more significant." The average B44 trip is of no relevance to this conversation. What is the average B44SBS trip length? "The MTA fails to consider any impact of increased walking distances which are a hardship to seniors, those with physical challenges, and anyone lugging any heavy equipment,especially during inclement weather." No they don't. And weather has nothing to do with this. The MTA does not modify service for mild to intermediate inclement weathr. "All the MTA states is that ridership may have been negatively impacted due to a severe 2014/15 winter, as if those numbers are an anomaly and should therefore be dismissed." Nobody is dismissing numbers because of weather. But yes the winter of 2014-2015 was certainly an anomaly, and certainly explains a great deal of difficulty and lower ridership on buses. "The truth is that fewer than fifty percent of the days are not inclement or excessively cold or hot when extra walking distances are most inconvenient." Meaningless statement without definitions. Outright false by what I would consider to be normal standards. "So rather than dismiss such days, the MTA needs to consider the effects of additional walking by its passengers during those times." They do. "SBS bus stopsare spaced out farther than the previous Limited service it replaced andas much as eight times further than local bus stops." SBS Spacing is not that much different from limited spacing. With regards to the difference between SBS/Limiteds and Local buses, Yes. That is the damn point! "There is no SBS bus stop at Avenue R, so anyone at that bus stop must walk either a half mile to Kings Highway or to Avenue U to board an SBS bus." There is no B44SBS Stop at 53rd street and Lexington avenue either. Anyone riding the B44SBS would have to take the subway to brooklyn to catch it!!! Yes! The bus won't stop everywhere. That is the point of it. "Since that is at least an extra ten-minute walk in addition to their present walk to the B44, most Avenue Rpassengers now opt for the slower local service when they were previously able to take the faster Limited so at least for those passengers, theirB44 trip is now slower." Yes. For a relatively small number of people, ride times went up. "For most passengers it is probable that the time saved in the busequalsthe extra walking to and from the bus while some save a few minutes andothers lose a few minutes." No. It is rather unlikely that it is close to a wash. "However, there is no indication whatsoeverfrom the Progress Report that the majority of bus passengers save anywhere near the 30percent in travel time thatsome ofthe buses save." Nobody has ever said that a majority of the passengers save 30%. The project will not succeed at surpassing every goal that was never intended to be reached. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 21 23:19:57 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 21 20:33:57 2016. Being an ASSHOLE snark does Not indicate "being smarter".What it DOES show is how much you enjoy play acting for free,and,how little intelligence actually goes into whatever it is that YOU do. Guess the backlash is finally taking its toll. Good. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 23:26:49 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 23:11:20 2016. Page 5."The Need to Pay an Extra FareSince the local terminates at Flushing Avenue with onlytheSBS traveling the entire route to Williamsburg Plaza, those transferring at the Plaza must either initially board an SBS bus or pay an extra fare when transferring to a third bus or train after changing from the local to the SBS. Since SBS bus stops are placed as much as a mile apart, some must rely on the local. Anyone else who wants to transfer between the local and SBS and also use another bus or train, must also pay an additional fare unless they are in possession of an unlimited MetroCard which is used only by about half the riders. Nowhere in this Progress Report does the MTA quantify how many are paying extra fares to usethe B44 SBS and this need will even becomegreater with the B46 SBS." This is a nonissue which has nothing at all to do with SBS. If the MTA wanted they could institute an additional free transfer. "Inadequate Public Noticeand Unfair Fair Evasion SummonsesThere was poor public notice regarding the shift of buses from New York to Rogers Avenue and the new payment system resultingin initial mass confusion for B44 passengers. It wasnot until weeks after implementation that notices were placed inside buses notifying passengers of the route change.If one hasn't heard of SBS prior to boarding, most likely he will be confused regarding the need to pay your fare before youboard. That is because the fare machines are sometimes located more than 20 feet from the front of the bus and look similar to muni-meter machines. The large print on the sign only says "Get Ticket Here" and there is no sign on the outside of the bus warning passengers not to board without a receipt.Additionally, to add to the confusion, SBS in Staten Island allows you to pay on the bus and some bus stops are shared by SBS and regular buses. Once I was aboard the 34 Street SBS that was not painted in the SBS color scheme, so it can be very confusing especially fortourists or when English is not your first language. One lawyer is taking SBS fare evasion cases pro bonofor that reason.Bus Operators have been known to tell passengers they could board and pay at the following SBS Bus Stop if all the fare machines are out of order. However, enforcement agents have given these passengers $100 summonses before they had the opportunity to alight the bus to get a receipt even if they were in possession of an unlimited ride card." This is almost entirely false. There are signs placed as part of the SBS conversion. Every SBS Bus has a fare payment sign on its door. Non SBS buses on SBS lines are incredibly rare. Enforcement agents are alerted to the locations of broken Machines and are instructed NOT to ticket passengers boarding at those locations. "The Need for Additional SBS Bus StopsPassengers had to fight for monthsto get two additional SBS bus stopswhere the Limited previously stopped, engaging their elected officials and gathering petitions, while a request to add a third SBS bus stopwas denied due to low transfer volumes from other bus routes. Instead of that being the only factor, the MTA needed to consider that the closestSBS stops are a half mile away in either direction and how many would use an SBS stop at Avenue R if one were in place by considering the present number of boardings not only at Avenue R, but also at Quentin Road and Avenue S as well. Also, they usedthe excuse that existing driveways prevented longer bus stops when driveways exist in bus stops throughout the city.Yet, theMTA makes it appear that these stops were added willingly in response to community requests.Inadequate Local Service, Poor Bus Reliabilityand Nearly Empty SBS Buses During the Peak HourWe know from media reports that local passengers initially complained about a denigration in local bus service claiming routine 40minute waits for a localbus after SBS began. They had to wait months for local service to be increased. SBS buses still routinely arrive three at a time with no reduction in bus bunching despite the exclusive bus lanes." Yes, to make the B44 SBS an effective limited route, many of the absurdly close stops at the south end of the B44 had to be eliminated for the SBS. That is a feature, not a bug. Having to walk a half mile to a limited station is not a bad thing. That is what makes it a limited. If you don't want to ride a limited bus, there is always the local. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 23:42:10 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 21 23:19:57 2016. What's also funny is the number of posters who follow Goebbels, especially R30.He hasn't proven me wrong because I haven't participated in the Vision Zero thread. Meanwhile Goebbels is neglecting his new born child. I wonder if his wife is happy dealing with all the diaper changes while daddy plays on this list. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jul 22 00:13:07 2016, in response to Re: Weinberg's occupation, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 21 14:35:37 2016. Did I say that the people I refer to are on this board? This is part of your problem. You make assumptions that are false and deny facts about your own history that you post yourself. You did these holes, and I'm no different than Brian or Lincoln because I see you digging them and point it out to you. Sorry if reality is a bitch but that's just how it is sometimes. |
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Posted by renee gil on Fri Jul 22 01:59:02 2016, in response to Re: Who is Goebbels?, posted by nostalgia on Thu Jul 21 22:25:17 2016. 
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