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Re: B44 Progress Report Released

Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 23:11:20 2016, in response to Re: B44 Progress Report Released, posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 21:22:21 2016.

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"We also do not know the bus trip time savingsfor the passenger."
We know the bus time savings. you can get a general idea of passenger time savings from that.

" Are their trip timesalsoreduced?"
Many certainly are.

"The progress report does not discuss passenger trip times. We cannot merely assume that if the buses saved up to 31 percent of their travel time, the passenger did as well,as the MTA has done." Depends on the passenger of course.

"The MTA is equating bus travel times with passenger travel times which is comparing apples and oranges."
No. Passengers ride the buses, which makes the amount of time the bus takes an essential part of how long it takes a passenger to get where they are going.

"They are concluding that since buses are traveling up to 31 percent quicker, passenger trips are also up to 31 percent quicker."
I sure hope they conclude that! The statement above is an outright fact.

"person's trip is much more than his travel on the bus."
Yes.

"Wait and walking times must also be included as part of totaltrip time"
Yes, but by and large those don't change that much with most SBS conversions. While the two block move makes the B44 change much more significant, there is no reason to assume that more people have to wait longer due to the changes.

"as well as the possibility of missing your bus by having to pay your fare prior to boarding."
Generally a nonissue. The buses tend to wait.

"This can be especially significantwhen there are long lines due to inoperable fare machines."
Made up issue. This does not happen in reality.

"This is all ignored by the MTA contributing to their erroneous conclusion that passengers are saving up to 31 percent in their travel time."
Yes, the figments of your imagination are ignored by any competent transit agency.

"What is more troubling is that the media is allowing the MTA and DOT to perpetrate this deception without questioning them."
Yeah! The horror of improved transportation must be stopped!!!!!

"Most likely those making longer trips,e.g.over five miles do save time."
As do those making shorter trips. But yes, those traveling over five miles do save time, much like those traveling under five miles.

"Passengers traveling eight miles on the SBS could save as much as 15 minutes."
I would not reject the possibility.

"The problem is the average B44 trip is only 2.3 miles, so bus speeds become less of a factor for most trips, while extra walking distances to and from SBS stops become more significant."
The average B44 trip is of no relevance to this conversation. What is the average B44SBS trip length?

"The MTA fails to consider any impact of increased walking distances which are a hardship to seniors, those with physical challenges, and anyone lugging any heavy equipment,especially during inclement weather."
No they don't. And weather has nothing to do with this. The MTA does not modify service for mild to intermediate inclement weathr.

"All the MTA states is that ridership may have been negatively impacted due to a severe 2014/15 winter, as if those numbers are an anomaly and should therefore be dismissed."
Nobody is dismissing numbers because of weather. But yes the winter of 2014-2015 was certainly an anomaly, and certainly explains a great deal of difficulty and lower ridership on buses.

"The truth is that fewer than fifty percent of the days are not inclement or excessively cold or hot when extra walking distances are most inconvenient."
Meaningless statement without definitions. Outright false by what I would consider to be normal standards.

"So rather than dismiss such days, the MTA needs to consider the effects of additional walking by its passengers during those times."
They do.

"SBS bus stopsare spaced out farther than the previous Limited service it replaced andas much as eight times further than local bus stops."
SBS Spacing is not that much different from limited spacing. With regards to the difference between SBS/Limiteds and Local buses, Yes. That is the damn point!

"There is no SBS bus stop at Avenue R, so anyone at that bus stop must walk either a half mile to Kings Highway or to Avenue U to board an SBS bus."
There is no B44SBS Stop at 53rd street and Lexington avenue either. Anyone riding the B44SBS would have to take the subway to brooklyn to catch it!!! Yes! The bus won't stop everywhere. That is the point of it.

"Since that is at least an extra ten-minute walk in addition to their present walk to the B44, most Avenue Rpassengers now opt for the slower local service when they were previously able to take the faster Limited so at least for those passengers, theirB44 trip is now slower."
Yes. For a relatively small number of people, ride times went up.

"For most passengers it is probable that the time saved in the busequalsthe extra walking to and from the bus while some save a few minutes andothers lose a few minutes."
No. It is rather unlikely that it is close to a wash.

"However, there is no indication whatsoeverfrom the Progress Report that the majority of bus passengers save anywhere near the 30percent in travel time thatsome ofthe buses save."
Nobody has ever said that a majority of the passengers save 30%. The project will not succeed at surpassing every goal that was never intended to be reached.




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