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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 25 11:20:35 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by zac on Sun Sep 25 08:43:33 2016. And in 1969-70, there were Borgaschmord trains galore. You would see anything and everything thrown together. And not just on the IRT, either. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Sep 25 11:27:16 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by zac on Sun Sep 25 08:43:33 2016. The TA didn't make it any easier with the limited route signs on the R40/42/44s. After the first few years of specific assignments they were all over the place and would display blank signs when they ran. Assuming that one could actually read the roll signs which were usually covered in graffiti. The "rule of thumb" in those days was to get on any train that was actually moving,regardless of the route. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 11:49:44 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 25 11:20:35 2016. The IRT kept the Westinghouse cars together on the 1/3/6, and the GE cars together on the 2/4/5. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 11:54:43 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by caine515 on Sat Sep 24 12:30:56 2016. R68's could stay on the Q permanently. It doesn't need to ever make sign changes, like the N and W. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 12:21:10 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 11:49:44 2016. How did it work when on the 7, they had to mix GE and WH because all the singles were of one type ? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 12:21:16 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 24 11:01:32 2016.  
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 12:22:15 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 25 11:10:32 2016. I though the R44/46, with their gearing for 80MPH was made for the Queens Bypass ? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 12:22:41 2016, in response to W coming back November 7, posted by Allan on Fri Sep 23 20:54:01 2016. 
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 12:23:06 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 11:10:16 2016. But not that dirty. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 12:23:43 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 11:54:43 2016. Isn't one goal also to run older cars on a part-time service ? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Sep 25 12:30:49 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by caine515 on Sat Sep 24 12:30:56 2016. I wonder if the "Q" will still terminate at 34th St during midnights? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 12:31:49 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by zac on Sun Sep 25 08:43:33 2016. There was a time when you could see any type of car in a single train:   
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 12:32:47 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 12:23:43 2016. It would be ideal, but not a necessity. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 25 12:33:49 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Sep 25 12:30:49 2016. Huh? Does the Q now terminate at 34th Street in the midnight hours? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 12:42:57 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 25 12:33:49 2016. Not sure, but storing layups overnight would explain why. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 12:45:18 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Sep 25 11:27:16 2016. I remember the cheap black and white signs they put in back in the 1980's and even then they were wrong. All the R42s on the J displayed 168th St as the terminal until the mid 1980's, then Queens Blvd until they were overhauled. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 12:48:18 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 12:45:18 2016. On the R16, it was the olrange JJ (though I remember seeing a black QJ now and again from seeing them on the LIRR) and I believe Queens Blvd north sign right to their end. Of course, they had 111th Street as well. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 12:49:03 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 11:54:43 2016. As noted earlier R68/68A's do not have 96th St. signs and NYCT suits will want only R160's running on a new, showcase line. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 12:51:44 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 12:21:10 2016. They mixed them for awhile but at some point they segregated them too, except on the GE cars where they had no choice but to run the single Westinghouse car. |
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Posted by Caine515 on Sun Sep 25 12:51:44 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by zac on Sun Sep 25 08:43:33 2016. I remember that occurring on the QB line.the r42 didn't have the sign and we're left blank |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 12:52:38 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 12:48:18 2016. R16's never got Queens Blvd signs. They were either blank or had 168th St upside down. I also recall seeing "Queens Plaza" on occasion. There seemed to be no consistency. This was no big deal because improperly signed trains were a normal thing in the 1980s. |
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Posted by Caine515 on Sun Sep 25 12:53:07 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 12:31:49 2016. Was that during the r44/R46 shortage? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 12:53:46 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Caine515 on Sun Sep 25 12:53:07 2016. No, 1969, when SMEE types were regularly mixed, until bad performance made them stop the practice. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 12:55:13 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Sep 25 12:30:49 2016. It terminates at 57th St. during midnights now and when 96th opens it will terminate there 24/7. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 12:59:07 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Caine515 on Sun Sep 25 12:51:44 2016. I operated 10 car R42 D trains and every car was "foreign" (no cars at all with D signs). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 12:59:30 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 12:49:03 2016. Not sure why. Most people I know prefer the older cars anyway. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 13:00:40 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 12:59:07 2016. This would be shocking today, but normal for the early 80s. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 13:04:37 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 12:53:46 2016. Why did they do it in the first place ? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 13:09:03 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 13:04:37 2016. Not sure. Guess they initially didn't care. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 13:13:24 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 13:09:03 2016. Or maybe because the IRT did it, so they said why not here too. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 13:16:58 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 13:13:24 2016. I think the IRT cars were less mechanically diverse, resulting in trains which didn't perform as badly. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 13:24:09 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 13:16:58 2016. Yeh, I think 3 different types of brakes, though compatible among all the SMEE's. R12 and R36 together did buck and jerk if I recall. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 13:28:58 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by X-Astorian on Sun Sep 25 00:48:44 2016. Thanks for the clarification. I wasn’t sure of the exact dates but I knew it was sometime around then. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 25 13:30:02 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 13:09:03 2016. There were actually two different reasons for it, and it didn't happen all that often either. First was to try to spread out the few air conditioned cars amongst as many trains as they could which meant one married pair might end up in a consist just so they could be spotted and "enjoyed" by the masses as they came in.The really weird consists were thrown together out of whatever could be drilled into a train as they had serious car shortages and if they could make up 8 or 10 cars into a train, that was an interval that ended up not being abandoned entirely. Things were that bad back in those days. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 13:35:30 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 12:51:44 2016. The IRT seemed to be the only division that segregated cars by electrical manufacture as opposed to the IND and BMT which pre Chrystie segregated equipment by car type. What is interesting that the same IRT lines that were WH were also the same lines that were Hi-V lines and the GE lines were the former Lo-V lines. It’s not too different now with the 1,3 and 6 (traditional Hi-V lines) having R-62s and 62As and the 2, 4, and 5 (traditional Lo-V lines) having R-142s and 142As. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 13:43:22 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 13:00:40 2016. That was because the cesspool of incompetence that passes for TA management insisted on having the roll signs display the strip map of the lines they were running on and there wasn’t enough room on the sign roll for all the lines and various combinations. Back when I was in the schedule office in 1977, I placed a suggestion with the TA Employee suggestion Program for a 3 piece roll sign that contained the bullet and the upper and lower destinations. It would have been accepted except that there was no provision for the strip map so it was ultimately rejected. By the time the R-62s and 68s were ordered, they were specified with the exact same 3 piece roll sign I designed a few years earlier and without the strip map although the so called MTA planners did want to keep the strip maps but fortunately intelligent heads prevailed. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Sun Sep 25 13:46:05 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 13:28:58 2016. "Thanks for the clarification. I wasn’t sure of the exact dates but I knew it was sometime around then."Thank YOU. The dates aren't as important as all the great, detailed, historic information that you share on the board. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 13:50:44 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 12:22:15 2016. They were made for the SAS also. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 13:52:15 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 25 07:29:32 2016. Actually since according the the work programs recently posted here, there are a few Ns that will be going to 96 St so cars with easily changeable signs will still be needed. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 13:53:42 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by X-Astorian on Sun Sep 25 13:46:05 2016. You’re quite welcome. I try to offer the best info I can and will defer to anyone who may have more accurate info than I can provide. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 13:57:22 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 25 07:42:37 2016. When the Culver initially went to using 9 Av as its full time terminal, it used both tracks and relayed on the middle N/O 9 Av. When the Culver first went single track, it used the NORTHBOUND track and, as I recall, with the modified Lo-Vs. Looking back on it, I imagine that the N/B tk was used while the S/B tk was completely overhauled for full time use at which time the S/B tk became the full time track and the N.B tk was removed. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 14:12:53 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 25 09:39:45 2016. I suspect that the reason more R-38 E trains displayed Hudson Terminal rather than Chambers St had to do with the position of the readings on the sign roll. The Hudson Terminal reading was closer to the Euclid and Rockaway readings when it came to changing the signs post rush at 179 St. At 168 St on the other hand, Chambers St was probably closer to the Coney Island and Bay Pky readings when Bs were changed to AAs so that would be the reason that the R-32s on the AA read Chambers St more that Hudson Terminal. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 14:24:35 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 13:43:22 2016. Or they waited just long enough for you to disappear, then claim it was their brilliant idea when they did it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 14:39:15 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 13:52:15 2016. Makes me wonder if they decide to go with a combined N & Q strip map as they did with the 2 & 5 since there's some commonality and equipment trading routes at terminals, or maybe N & W. |
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Re: Allan, that is great news, W coming back November 7. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 14:54:11 2016, in response to Re: Allan, that is great news, W coming back November 7., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 24 09:08:21 2016. Best thread in Subchat history |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Sep 25 15:17:35 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 12:59:30 2016. Noted. But then the majority of the riding public would not know the difference and will get on whatever is going in the right direction. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Sep 25 15:23:33 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by X-Astorian on Sun Sep 25 00:48:44 2016. Here is the poster for the January 1, 1961 changes. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 16:16:41 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Sep 25 15:23:33 2016. If I recall, there were still a few BMT Standards lingering on the Brighton line until 1965. Was this an effort to get them off the Queens IND ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 16:26:25 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Sep 25 15:23:33 2016. Looks like they had an X pattern on Saturdays approaching 57th :Broadway-4th AV Local (RR) to 57th Broadway –West End Express (T) to Astoria, or did the T run local in Manhattan ? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 25 17:03:05 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 12:55:13 2016. I presume it will continue to run local along Broadway during the late hours. |
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