|
|
| Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum (1270908) | |
 |
|
| Home > SubChat | |
[ Post a New Response | Return to the Index ]
|
Page 2 of 3 |
||
|
| (1271313) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 23 20:04:57 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 23 15:00:31 2014. That one looks in a lot better shape than the other. :) |
|
|
| (1271315) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 23 20:17:00 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jan 23 18:29:49 2014. Folks from Jersey will flock to see it. :) |
|
|
| (1271332) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 23 20:58:34 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jan 21 21:41:59 2014. Will the existing trucks be able to handle such a regauging? We're talking eight inches, aren't we? |
|
|
(Sponsored) |
iPhone 6 (4.7 Inch) Premium PU Leather Wallet Case - Red w/ Floral Interior - by Notch-It |
|
| (1271333) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 23 21:00:50 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 22 20:18:50 2014. That is a nice scheme. My favorite is the original Green Hornet paint job on Chicago's 600 postwar PCCs. |
|
|
| (1271334) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 23 21:03:21 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 22 20:20:18 2014. Of course, the R-1/9s had the best backup controller of all.:) |
|
|
| (1271335) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 23 21:05:11 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 23 21:00:50 2014. Yep ... but for former Newark City Subway cars, accept no substitutes! :) |
|
|
| (1271336) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 23 21:05:36 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 23 21:03:21 2014. Heh. Shhhhhhh! Nobody's supposed to know about that. :) |
|
|
| (1271337) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 23 21:05:48 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 23 20:17:00 2014. I lived 18 miles north of Newark for six years, but never rode on the City Subway line. I remember seeing a, "City Subway" entrance once while driving through downtown, which gave me the impression that Newark had subway trains and not streetcars. |
|
|
| (1271339) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 23 21:08:45 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jan 23 12:03:36 2014. I'll bet converting anything to 3' 6", as was the case in Los Angeles and Denver, would be trickier. |
|
|
| (1271340) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 23 21:11:02 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 22 18:37:22 2014. I can never remember which city (Philadelphia r Pittsburgh) had which gauge (5' 2.25" vs 5' 2.5"). |
|
|
| (1271341) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 23 21:11:59 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jan 22 20:07:51 2014. IIRC Baltimore had the widest track gauge of any streetcar system in North America. |
|
|
| (1271362) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 23 21:38:28 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 23 21:05:48 2014. I ended up at Newark Penn Station once coming back from DC because there was a power failure into NYC. They told us to take the Hudson Tubes. Couldn't find them at first, but in trudging around Penn station, there was an arty deco sign that said, "city subway" ... I wondered if there was perhaps some BMT misroute, so wandered down to a low level platform which looked LIKE a subway. So figured I'd hang out since there were other folks doing so too.Suddenly, a blazing single headlight appeared in the distance and folks started getting ready to board as it rolled in. It was ... a streetcar. Cool! So took a ride. On the way back, encountered an old friend who had moved from the Bronx to Leonia and turns out his DAD was an operator. So we connected back up and on the occasional Saturday when he was working, we'd meet up and take turns running it out to the far loop after it had emptied out. Boy those PCC's could scoot! :) |
|
|
| (1271404) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 24 00:19:39 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 21 21:43:29 2014. Number 6 ran with the PSCT colors for a few years, before the Kinki-Sharyo beasts came online.Most of the PCCs had the bicentennial colors on them through the 1980s. Took a while to repaint them all into NJT "disco stripes".  |
|
|
| (1271405) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 24 00:39:25 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 24 00:19:39 2014. That looks pretty dumb. The Public Service style though was what they wore for the longest time and was the most familiar. Even to people that have never been to Joisey. And heh ... know that loop. ;) |
|
|
| (1271418) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by chud1 on Fri Jan 24 04:25:30 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 24 00:19:39 2014. Cool.chud1. :).... |
|
|
| (1271428) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by MR RT on Fri Jan 24 07:10:05 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 23 21:05:48 2014. Have ridden line, incl. new extension.Also HBLR, north & south routes. And Riverline Trenton to Philly. |
|
|
| (1271429) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by MR RT on Fri Jan 24 07:13:40 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jan 23 17:10:06 2014. 4 to IRM; 5 to Seashore; 7 to Rochester; 13 staying home; 15 to CERA; 24 to San Diego; 25 to BERA; 28 staying home. |
|
|
| (1271430) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by MR RT on Fri Jan 24 07:16:57 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jan 23 14:32:26 2014. 8 & 18 previously scrapped ? |
|
|
| (1271435) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jan 24 07:32:57 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by MR RT on Fri Jan 24 07:16:57 2014. 8 & 18 previously scrapped ?8, 18, 29, and 30 previously scrapped. |
|
|
| (1271438) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jan 24 07:43:18 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 24 00:19:39 2014. Number 6 ran with the PSCT colors for a few years, before the Kinki-Sharyo beasts came online.It was repainted only a few months before retirement in 2001. |
|
|
| (1271458) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jan 24 10:24:07 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jan 23 14:32:26 2014. I hope the new guardians of these cars take real good care of them. |
|
|
| (1271462) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jan 24 10:44:14 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jan 22 20:07:51 2014. Thanks, I knu it was not the International Gauge, but wasn't sure who else shared the same. |
|
|
| (1271467) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by MR RT on Fri Jan 24 11:14:02 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jan 24 07:32:57 2014. Acknowledged ... thanks for the input my friend |
|
|
| (1271472) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 24 11:57:02 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jan 24 07:43:18 2014. You sure about that? I seem to recall it being out at the Hoboken Festival more than once in PSCT regalia. |
|
|
| (1271502) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jan 24 14:24:29 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 24 11:57:02 2014. You sure about that? I seem to recall it being out at the Hoboken Festival more than once in PSCT regalia.Yes. And it didn't operate in service in its "new" colors until a few days before the end. As far as the Hoboken Festival goes, #11 was on display in 2000 and #10 in 2002. The Rockhill page has this photo of #6 in service in February 2000: 
|
|
|
| (1271544) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by JohnnyMints on Fri Jan 24 18:07:14 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 24 00:39:25 2014. IINM those are the colors they got under Transport of New Jersey (TNJ), as they painted quite a few buses in red white and blue as well. This scheme lasted under NJ Transit until about 1987-88 or so. I remember it as a kid. |
|
|
| (1271553) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by merrick1 on Fri Jan 24 19:18:42 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 23 21:08:45 2014. LA'sPCC cars used a different truck. |
|
|
| (1271574) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 24 20:37:09 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by JohnnyMints on Fri Jan 24 18:07:14 2014. Yeah, saw some of those. Pretty much the same scheme that WMATA used for their buses. I really liked the old Public Service style though. |
|
|
| (1271577) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by NorthShore on Fri Jan 24 20:41:59 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by JohnnyMints on Fri Jan 24 18:07:14 2014. The red, white & blue paint scheme was introduced in 1975 for the Bicentennial. New Flxibles in 1977 were in the Transport of New Jersey (TNJ) white with dark blue stripe paint scheme. |
|
|
| (1271578) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 24 20:43:54 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 23 21:38:28 2014. Some of Chicago's Green Hornets were clocked at 47 mph, which was entirely possible. Prior to the PCCs, the term, "fast streetcar" was an oxymoron. |
|
|
| (1271582) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 24 20:49:06 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by merrick1 on Fri Jan 24 19:18:42 2014. IIRC they were Clark narrow gauge trucks. One P-3 streetcar was outfitted with standard gauge trucks borrowed from San Francisco and ran demonstration runs on one of the PE lines before returning to the narrow gauge fleet.Just to clarify, Denver Tramways streetcars ran on the same narrow gauge track as Los Angeles while today's light rail system uses standard gauge track. |
|
|
| (1271585) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 24 20:54:56 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 24 20:43:54 2014. Just about every PCC I ever rode had plenty of get up and go as long as it didn't have to stop again soon. |
|
|
| (1271605) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 25 02:24:41 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jan 24 14:24:29 2014. Funny how someone who never lived in the area (I did) can be so authoritative, eh? |
|
|
| (1271634) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by merrick1 on Sat Jan 25 07:46:58 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 24 20:49:06 2014. According to Carlson and Schneider's "PCC The Car That Fought Back" Clarke built the B-1 truck for LA. (The standard PCC truck was the B-2)"The B-1 sub-frame differed from that of the B-2 truck in that the connecting arms were sufficiently heavy to support the carbody in addition to keeping the axles parallel . They were bolted to the axle cases at one end and flexibly connected at the other by a closed clamp around the axle housing. By using rubber between the clamp and the axle housing, motion between the two was permitted without creating rubbing steel surfaces and the consequent need for lubrication,..." Clarke also built the B-6, an outboard bearing meter-gauge PCC truck for Belgium. |
|
|
| (1271635) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Jan 25 08:14:33 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 24 20:43:54 2014. Some of Chicago's Green Hornets were clocked at 47 mph, which was entirely possible. Prior to the PCCs, the term, "fast streetcar" was an oxymoron.When I rode those ex-CTA 6000's on SEPTA's Norristown Line, they did very well between stations. Bill Newkirk |
|
|
| (1271636) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Jan 25 08:17:10 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by merrick1 on Sat Jan 25 07:46:58 2014. Clarke also built the B-6, an outboard bearing meter-gauge PCC truck for Belgium.Were there also B-3, B-4 or B-5 trucks ? Bill Newkirk |
|
|
| (1271638) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Jan 25 08:28:50 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Jan 25 08:17:10 2014. PCC car story |
|
|
| (1271643) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by merrick1 on Sat Jan 25 09:47:08 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Jan 25 08:17:10 2014. According to Carlson and Schneider the B-3 truck was designed for irregular track and is the most common PCC truck world wide. The B-4 was designed for Chicago Transit Authority rapid transit cars but most CTA rapid transit cars had a heavy duty B-2 truck. The B-5 was an experimental truck tested on an IND R-1 car.There seems to be a gap from B-7 to B-9 The B-10 truck was used on Boston MTA's 1951 East Boston Tunnel rapid transit cars. The B-11 was proposed as a replacement truck for the 1924 East Boston Tunnel cars. It was never built. The B-20 and B-30 trucks were tested on CTA cars. |
|
|
| (1271713) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Jan 25 18:37:28 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by merrick1 on Sat Jan 25 09:47:08 2014. The B-5 was an experimental truck tested on an IND R-1 car.An R-1 with Clark B-5 inboard PCC trucks ? I'd love to see a picture of that ! Bill Newkirk |
|
|
| (1271731) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sat Jan 25 21:53:29 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jan 24 07:43:18 2014. My friend Jeff Marinoff donated an NOS Electric Service Co. Golden Globe headlight and a restored PSNJ fare counter for #6's restoration by NJ Transit. The counter got used on #6, but disappeared after PCC service ended. The headlight never got used as the new sheet metal on 6's nose was made for the automotive sealed beam sized headlight that you see on 6 now. I rode 6 to the end and snagged a couple ad cards off it. Jeff and I rode the line all day, even riding cars going out of service to the new terminal for storage. I got to photobomb a couple of guys taking their foamer shots, hehehe. Glad to see these cars going to good homes, unlike the SEPTA PCC's that were rescued from Midvale by Brookville and recently scrapped due to the loss of the rented storage area. |
|
|
| (1271743) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 26 01:05:41 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Jan 25 18:37:28 2014. IINM, I think I saw a picture of that a long long time ago on the old subtalk. You know my affliction with arnines. :) |
|
|
| (1271746) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 26 05:28:05 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jan 22 15:05:19 2014. According to what I read, the pre PCCs were double ended and when the PCCs arrived, Franklin station had to be reconfigured about a half a block short of Franklin Av itself to construct the loop for the PCCs. |
|
|
| (1271747) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 26 05:41:22 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jan 21 21:37:24 2014. Somewhere I lost track of what part of the thread to put this in but according the "Car That Fought Back" book, the IND R 11s has an outside frame PCC truck that was called the "Model E" which was unlike any other PCC truck I've ever seen. |
|
|
| (1271798) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Jan 26 15:09:38 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jan 24 14:24:29 2014. Last day:
|
|
|
| (1271845) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 26 18:33:07 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Jan 26 15:09:38 2014. I was there. I was on the next to the last PCC car over the route as the very last PCC was by invitation only. |
|
|
| (1271850) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jan 26 18:59:19 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 26 18:33:07 2014. Neat, you were lucky,I only rode the PCC's twice on the line. |
|
|
| (1271869) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jan 26 20:16:41 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 23 01:10:49 2014. Thank you, I hope to stop by the Balt. Trolley Museum in March when my friends & I are there. Maybe I can get a look at their shops. |
|
|
| (1271873) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Jan 26 20:55:38 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Randyo on Sun Jan 26 18:33:07 2014. I rode either the same round trip as you did or the one just before. |
|
|
| (1271876) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Jan 26 21:27:30 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 25 02:24:41 2014. Funny how someone who never lived in the area (I did) can be so authoritative, eh?Considering I rode the line plenty in those years and was at each of the festivals in question, no, it's not that funny. |
|
|
| (1271877) | |
Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum |
|
|
Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Jan 26 21:33:14 2014, in response to Re: NJT #26 @Baltimore Streetcar Museum, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Jan 26 15:09:38 2014. #6 actually got more than just a repaint. These are from August 22-23, 2001:  |
|
|
|
Page 2 of 3 |
||
