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Posted by gbs on Tue Jul 15 01:09:46 2014, in response to R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Mr.Broadway on Tue Jul 15 01:03:51 2014. Why? Just so the trains can display the accurate destination signs? |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Jul 15 04:03:08 2014, in response to R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Mr.Broadway on Tue Jul 15 01:03:51 2014. I spoke to G line management Sunday about this. It is only a rumor. R160's on the G means more R68/68A's on the N/Q which reduces operational flexibility on the line.It remains a rumor until/unless it actually happens. If I had a dime for every equipment rumor that has come down the pipeline that hasn't materialized I'd be a rich man. Most equipment rumors are SubChat speculation, but this one has indeed been discussed, WITH NO FIRM DECISION MADE AS OF YET. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 15 05:39:27 2014, in response to R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Mr.Broadway on Tue Jul 15 01:03:51 2014. What G.O.? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 15 05:40:44 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 15 05:39:27 2014. Nevermind. |
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Posted by Mr.Broadway on Tue Jul 15 09:22:41 2014, in response to R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Mr.Broadway on Tue Jul 15 01:03:51 2014. I don't think it's a rumor if it's actually posted for N & Q crews. T/O's were told to bring their brake handles and new conductors are being given strip maps. The dispatchers were the ones that told crews what this was happening. There is also a big sign at the dispatchers office saying that 13 5 car sets are going to the G. I trust the dispatchers |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 15 09:31:47 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Jul 15 04:03:08 2014. or Facebook speculation and other transit forums as well. |
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Posted by Railbus63 on Tue Jul 15 09:41:59 2014, in response to R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Mr.Broadway on Tue Jul 15 01:03:51 2014. Would this be the first operation of R160 5-car trains? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 15 09:59:33 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Mr.Broadway on Tue Jul 15 09:22:41 2014. It is a rumor as far as the G line is concerned. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Jul 15 11:22:11 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 15 09:59:33 2014. I heard the rumor as well. I was working the Q as recently as Sunday, didn't hear anything about that.Is this a PC move by NYCT? First the R, now the G with 160s? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 15 12:40:51 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Jul 15 11:22:11 2014. Should the R160's be assigned to the G for this GO, the passengers could get spoiled and start writing letters/sending Emails of complaint of them leaving after Labor DaySome passengers when they start seeing modern equipment on other lines want NYCT to throw all the old trains in the "garbage" so they can ride new trains too. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 15 13:05:10 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 15 12:40:51 2014. Yes. It's similar to what the MTA used to do (or not do) on the Broadway Brooklyn line. They did their best to hide the fact that there was a direct connection between Essex St and Midtown, as if people got the taste for it, they would DEMAND it, as it is a much better service than the Nassau Line. They rarely used it for GO's. Most people had absolutely no idea that track connection existed (talking general public here), as most of the people in the areas affected, weren't around when it was lasted used in normal service.It took "cost cutting" to finally introduce the service again, and it was a match made in heaven for two dead end lines. I always said that Ridgewood, Bushwick, etc were completely quiet when they decided to FINALLY reroute the M train up it...(their only "complaint" was that they keep the M letter instead of calling it V), but the same quiet neighborhoods would be a mob scene if they ever tried to take it away now that they have the taste for it (Most of the M stations have seen double digit increases in ridership each year since it took effect). |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 15 13:09:33 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Jul 15 11:22:11 2014. one has to wonder..as far as I'm concerned..I was fine with the R46's running there. those cars had a much "warmer feeling" to them,than the cold sterile looking unwelcoming 68's. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Jul 15 13:14:18 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 15 13:09:33 2014. Not that it counts what the crews who work there think, but they prefer the R46 over the R68. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 15 13:15:13 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 15 13:05:10 2014. yeah..its most likely here to stay. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 15 13:16:43 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Jul 15 13:14:18 2014. can we have them back? 8^) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 15 13:27:59 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Jul 15 13:14:18 2014. I personally never like the 68's. They were run down looking and uninviting even when they were new. The 46's, while dated looking also, still look nicer. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 15 13:29:06 2014, in response to R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Mr.Broadway on Tue Jul 15 01:03:51 2014. Can 5 car trains legally run OPTO? |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 15 13:42:31 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 15 13:29:06 2014. yes. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Jul 15 13:45:13 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 15 13:27:59 2014. The R46 has the advantage of the scratch free wall panels, whereas NYCT made a big mistake car appearance wise in not "specing" the same in the R68/68A. To the person who does not know subway equipment, the R46 still looks a lot newer (aged well) than the R68/68A (aged poorly).Of course, the G lost the R46 when the line got re-assigned to CIYD where there are no R46's. The only advantage of a R68/68A is a 4 car unit has 3 air compressors---so if 1 goes kaput you're probably still OK other than the train will charge slower. With the R46 on the G, only the A cars had a compressor, so you were in trouble if one went bad. Right before they were taken off the G, a group of R46's got a compressor installed into one the B cars in each unit. 6197 was the first one. I don't know if all 4 car units were ultimately so modified. I hope so since 4 car R46's remain on the midnight A and 24/7 Rock Park shuttles. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 15 13:57:28 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Jul 15 13:45:13 2014. Yes, at least cosmetically, the R46's aged way better than the 68's. The 68's looked horrible in the early 90's already inside, and they were fairly new then. They didn't age well at all. They had the worst windows, and scratched interiors even then already. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 15 14:31:50 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 15 13:29:06 2014. % 60 footers are the same length as 4 75 footers so the re is really no difference. 5 R-142s operate OPTO on the Dyre Shuttle. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jul 15 14:39:49 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 15 13:27:59 2014. The 68As looked pretty nice in the late 2000s when I rode them everyday. They were toasty in the winter too, it was great during the winter waiting in brick cold temps on the Brighton line then get on 68A Q train which was nice and warm. They are also the coldest non NTT cars I been on during the summer months as well. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jul 15 14:44:34 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 15 13:09:33 2014. Only the 68s in the 2000 series gave off that vibe to me. I honestly find the 68A interior to be well polished and comfortable. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jul 15 14:47:14 2014, in response to R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Mr.Broadway on Tue Jul 15 01:03:51 2014. Probably won't be able to enjoy this but its going to be cool seeing 160s on the G and the 68/As coming back home. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 15 16:36:47 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jul 15 14:44:34 2014. Yeah..i believe the 68a cars are somewhat better,if not DARKER than the 68s.. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Jul 16 11:24:56 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 15 13:09:33 2014. Agreed 1000%. The 44's & 46's IMHO are the nicest looking inside and out before the GOH removed the blue striping.I only wish I coudl have seen the 44 with the carpeting. the 62 & 68's to me look like tin canse on wheels. Plus the walls have been scratched up for decades. THey should have used the same interior material on the 142, 143 & 160 as the 44 and 46 since they coudl not be gauged up and they should have used he polished exterior stainless steel on the NTT instead of the type that is more vulnerable to acid tags |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Wed Jul 16 13:21:02 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Jul 15 11:22:11 2014. The first part of my original post should say:I heard the rumor as well. I worked the Q as recently as Sunday, didn't hear the anything about it actually going into effect for this upcoming GO. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jul 16 19:59:52 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by gbs on Tue Jul 15 01:09:46 2014. Precisely. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 16 20:05:59 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jul 16 19:59:52 2014. Gotta love the logic there ... I mean really ... is a G somehow gonna magically turn up on the Sea Beach and confuse folks? :) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jul 16 20:06:41 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Jul 15 04:03:08 2014. It's happening. There's already a Bulletin out instructing Train Operators on where to stop a five-car R-160 on the (G) line. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 16 20:25:54 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jul 16 20:06:41 2014. Why should the car stop for a 5 car R-160 be any different from a 4 car R-46 or 68? Both are 300 ft long. While we are on the subject of train lengths, does anyone know where the C/R operating position is on the J Line's R-32s? Is it 3 south and 5 north or 4 X 4 like the R-160s and like it should be? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jul 17 01:09:07 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 16 20:25:54 2014. When I was there last month, it was 3/5. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 17 14:44:31 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Jul 17 01:09:07 2014. OK, thanks. That doesn't seem to make any sense for the R-32s since they have the capability of operating 4 X 4 which they do on the C. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Thu Jul 17 14:53:22 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Jul 16 11:24:56 2014. Keep in mind that they were designed during the graffiti epidemic. You can also thank the R-44/46 for them being singles. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 17 15:30:03 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 17 14:44:31 2014. Old tech 3x5, new tech 4x4.Senior management decision I suppose. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Jul 17 16:17:34 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Ian Lennon on Thu Jul 17 14:53:22 2014. thank you but the interiors of the 44 46 held up much better than the stainless steel. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 17 16:20:22 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Ian Lennon on Thu Jul 17 14:53:22 2014. They WERE singles as delivered but the MTA in its infinite wisdom decided to unitize them. By the way, as originally designed, the R-68s were supposed to have convertible cabs at both ends like the R-62s. The main difference would have been that the cab could be converted to/from a transverse cab by a crew member unlike the R-62s which required the installation of a supporting post by a member of the Car Equipment Dept. When the cab was in the corner position, a passenger seat could be folded down like the seats in the wheelchair area of the buses. When the cab was extended to the transverse position, the seat would be folded up and the off side bulkhead opened and locked into place much like the back portion of IRT Lo-V cab doors. During manufacture, the MTA changed the specs so that the #1 end of the car would have a transverse cab and the #2 end would have a corner cab. Due to the original specs, when the R-68s were delivered, they had C/R door controls in both cabs but the #2 end door controls were subsequently removed. For whatever reason, the MTA decided to unitize most of the single cars of the R-62 and 62A series into 5 car units and 68 and 68A series into 4 car units thus destroying any hope of operational flexibility. Even the bMT after unitizing the steels into B units, retained a few cars as singe As in order to increase its trains in increments from 6 cars to either 7 or 8 depending on the needs of the service and decrease 8 car consists back to 6 when longer trains were not required. The MTA's current scheme allows only foe maximum length or half length trains with no option for anything in between. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 17 16:31:37 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 17 15:30:03 2014. Typical of the cesspool of incompetence that passes for most MTA management. The R-32s are old tech whether they are on the C or the J so it shouldn't make any difference! If that were the absolute case, then the R-32s could be operated 3 X 5 on the C with appropriate C/R boards thus allowing trains of R-4s and 42s to be operated there with no problem. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 17 16:44:24 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 17 16:31:37 2014. I can assure that new superintendents are not the cream of the crop because the good potential candidates, TD/TSS don't need the aggrevation of this job that gets a salary rather than gets paid by the hour? Who wants to be called 24/7 and get called off your vacation? |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Thu Jul 17 18:14:31 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by rbseabeach on Thu Jul 17 16:17:34 2014. Not with graffiti remover. Scratchitti, yes. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Thu Jul 17 18:21:46 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 17 16:20:22 2014. I remember them as singles. I loved the railfan window on the N. They should have been changed to married pairs when they changed the specs. They make no sense as singles. I remember the stink about the 44/46 being unitized. They complained about losing four cars at a time, versus one. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 17 18:48:44 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Ian Lennon on Thu Jul 17 18:21:46 2014. You got a RFW on an R68? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 17 18:49:15 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 17 16:44:24 2014. Bring back the trainmasters. As the level between supervision and management, they were able to oversee the operation of the railroad and implement the wishes of the actual managers and at less money than the current line of superintendents. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Thu Jul 17 18:49:47 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 17 18:48:44 2014. Yup, was very surprised. It was very long ago. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 17 18:54:05 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Ian Lennon on Thu Jul 17 18:49:47 2014. Wow. I didn't even know the R68s could run "narrow cab forward" until they were already unitized. I got a RFW on an R68 once, way back a long time ago, but since that was a cab ride rather than an official RFW, I won't be giving any details.Apparently, there were R68s with RFWs on the Franklin Avenue Shuttle for some time, but I never rode it between the R32s being removed and OPTO being implemented. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Thu Jul 17 18:59:09 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 17 18:54:05 2014. I got a cab ride on the F, P-Wire 46. He even cut out the dynamics to show me the difference in how it stopped. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 17 19:04:11 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Ian Lennon on Thu Jul 17 18:59:09 2014. Colour me extremely jealous. Mine was on the from Rockefeller Center to Queensbridge, a route that I rode with an official RFW many times since the B ran there on weekends with R40s.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 17 19:05:59 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 17 18:49:15 2014. It goes deeper than that. Back in the day the dispatcher made all operational decisions with the ATD running the sheets. The TD told the trainmaster what he did and it was over. Today most ATD jobs have been cut and the TD's call superintendents all day because they are afraid to make a decision because of being second guessed all the time. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Jul 17 20:57:30 2014, in response to Re: R160 5 car sets for the G Line, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 17 18:48:44 2014. There's photo proof of R68s running with the corner cabs on the head end in one of those rail fan books about the subway. AFAIK that photo is not on the internet though. |
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