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Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 14:22:12 2010  |
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Posted by Evan on Tue Jul 13 15:28:51 2010, in response to Mystery Photo 4, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 14:22:12 2010. Canarsie shuttle? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 13 15:35:43 2010, in response to Mystery Photo 4, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 14:22:12 2010. The trolley looks like a Williamsburg Bridge shuttle car, so I will guess it's the Manhattan side of said line. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 15:53:12 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Evan on Tue Jul 13 15:28:51 2010. Sorry, no..... |
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Posted by znufrii on Tue Jul 13 15:55:08 2010, in response to Mystery Photo 4, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 14:22:12 2010. No idea, but neat photos! |
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Posted by Evan on Tue Jul 13 15:58:30 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 13 15:35:43 2010. Hmmm, here is a Williamsburg Bridge car of apparently the same era that's outfitted differently than the ones in the mystery pic. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 16:08:09 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Evan on Tue Jul 13 15:58:30 2010. Same era, yes, same system, no.... |
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Posted by Mellow One on Tue Jul 13 16:12:56 2010, in response to Mystery Photo 4, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 14:22:12 2010. This is a rough one. Unless you can determine the operating company or the type of trolley cars we are looking at, or you know the junction or street on which the trolley line is on were pretty mush reduced to guesses.My guess is, the Bronx, possibly, at 138th St and Willis Ave, c.1905. That may be the 3rd Ave El in the background and those are Union Electric Rwy cars. The shuttle may go the NYNH&H Harlem River Terminal. |
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Posted by Evan on Tue Jul 13 16:19:03 2010, in response to Mystery Photo 4, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 14:22:12 2010. Could it be one of the other bridge shuttles, like the Manhattan Bridge 3c line, or the Steinways line on the Queensboro Bridge? |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Jul 13 16:40:09 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Mellow One on Tue Jul 13 16:12:56 2010. If that were the 3 Av El in the background, it would not be Willis Av since the el ran in the alley between Willis and Alexander Av and it would be a lot closer in the photo. You might be on the right track about it being in the Bronx and even 138 St since 138 is a wide street but it would have to be a few blocks either east or West of Willis depending on which direction we are looking in. |
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Posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Tue Jul 13 16:40:55 2010, in response to Mystery Photo 4, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 14:22:12 2010. Just above the left top of the 'y" in the (incredibly annoying) "Mystery Photo" watermark, there is a sign on the trolley that seems to say "Bridge Plaza."Given the wide expanse of open space on the right of the photo and the viaduct in the distance, I am going to venture that this is Borden Avenue in Long Island City, near the foot of the East River Ferry, with the LIRR LIC yard on the right. The viaduct in the background would be the old Vernon Avenue-Manhattan Avenue bridge. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 13 17:01:47 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Tue Jul 13 16:40:55 2010. Comment for ya, Unca Joe ... you could probably reduce the complaining and still protect your work by changing the settings for "transparency" on your markup ... make it thin enough to show and yet still allow the background to show through. Just a thought ... |
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Posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Tue Jul 13 17:07:34 2010, in response to Mystery Photo 4, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 14:22:12 2010. This photo of Borden Avenue today shows that the building with the arched windows and doors on the extreme left of the mystery photo is still standing, although significantly altered (as is the entire neighborhood). |
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Posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Tue Jul 13 17:08:26 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 13 17:01:47 2010. IAWTP! |
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Posted by Evan on Tue Jul 13 17:21:07 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Tue Jul 13 16:40:55 2010. So, would that make these New York and Queens County trolleys? |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 17:25:54 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Randyo on Tue Jul 13 16:40:09 2010. Sorry guys, not even close..... |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 17:26:22 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Evan on Tue Jul 13 16:19:03 2010. Sorry, no.... |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 17:28:12 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Tue Jul 13 16:40:55 2010. Congratulations! You've got it! One car (the one with the "Bridge Plaza" sign went to Queens Plaza, while the other was on the Calvary Cemetery route of the New York & Queens County Railway. I knew I should have blocked out "Bridge Plaza!" Good eyes. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 17:28:52 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 13 17:01:47 2010. Excellent idea... I'll try that. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 17:30:04 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Tue Jul 13 17:07:34 2010. Assuming that building is still standing, I'm surprised the greedy developers haven't gotten around to developing it yet. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 13 17:33:48 2010, in response to Mystery Photo 4, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 14:22:12 2010. The tavern on the left serves Piels, which is a universal sign of a good neighborhood.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 13 17:41:21 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 17:28:52 2010. Just figured it'd help reduce the whining. :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 13 17:43:09 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 13 17:33:48 2010. My father thought Piels was swill and would never drink it, and my dad liked his beer. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 17:53:04 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 13 17:41:21 2010. Impossible! Many on this board are just like a bunch of old church women - looking to criticize and complain about everything. Guess that makes them - in their minds - feel important. |
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Posted by Bill West on Tue Jul 13 18:05:55 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 17:53:04 2010. Joe -I don’t feel you should have to spend the effortKevin -I disagree, it’s the complainers that are wrong, they should be adjusting their judgment settings. Having the minority, defending person move for the mob is just another example of where our society has a shaky sense of right and wrong. Bill |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 13 18:13:57 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Bill West on Tue Jul 13 18:05:55 2010. Bill, you are quick to defend Joe Saitta. But how do you know that Joe Saitta purchases each and every photo he's ever shown? How do you know that Joe Saitta doesn't steal other people's photos off the web AND host them online in his own hosting account WITHOUT giving any credit? If Joe Saitta wants to be part of this community, maybe he shouldn't make his guess the location photos highly annoying to look at. And maybe Joe Saitta also shouldn't shamelessly and/or underhandedly promote his ebay auctions. I'd say it is clearly Joe Saitta that has the "shaky sense of right and wrong" and not the people who just want to see a clean photo. |
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Posted by Mellow One on Tue Jul 13 18:22:52 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 13 17:33:48 2010. TV and Radio personalities, Bob & Ray, used to do Piels commercials back in the late 50's and early 60's. I believe that they were cartoon commercials. I think Piels went out of business or were bought out soon after that time. I do not think I ever drank any Piels. I do not remeber Piels being on tap in any of my Bronx neighborhood bars.Anyway, here is a old view of the 138th St Gatway to the Bronx. I am not sure what that overhead structure is. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 13 18:49:32 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 13 17:43:09 2010. My father was far less caring of the beer....beer was beer to him, and he drank Piels....and other cheap stuff. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 13 18:50:24 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 13 15:35:43 2010. The wire poles scream Manhattan, so it's somewhere in Manhattan I would guess. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 13 18:53:53 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Tue Jul 13 17:07:34 2010. Holy Crap! You are right, that does appear to be the same building!! |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Tue Jul 13 18:58:44 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Mellow One on Tue Jul 13 18:22:52 2010. I had a client (now deceased) that was a sales manager for Piels. Not knowing all the details, he was receiving royalties on the sale. Apparently beer sales are paid for by a cents per gallon measurement. According to Wikipedia the brand was sold to somebody in 1963. My earliest records are from 1986, and it ran for many years after that.The brand was sold to Stroh's in the 1980's and then Stroh's along with Piels and Schaeffer were sold to Pabst. |
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Posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Tue Jul 13 19:17:12 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 13 18:53:53 2010. If you can move the perspective in Google Maps to show the building head-on, you will see that the circular brick ornamentation is still in the center. This is apparently the lone survivor of what was once a busy and vibrant commercial street, a major junction of road, trolley and train traffic from throughout Queens to the Manhattan ferry. It is hard to believe, looking at the current desolate streetscape. |
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Posted by Mellow One on Tue Jul 13 19:55:11 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Hart Bus on Tue Jul 13 18:58:44 2010. I lived in Milwaukee in the 80's. I remember when Stroh's, of Detroit, attempted to take over a corner of the beer world. Schlitz went out of business. I used to go there for the tours. The beer they served on the tours was the best American beer I ever drank. I think the people who brewed Old Style, out in LaCrosse, WI, took over everything in Milwaukee except Miller. Even the Blatz name was revived for a while.The old CMStP&P Beer Line, as it was called, ran righr into downtown from the north, supplied the breweries there. I had hoped that they would convert it to light rail use, but it never came to pass. (Keep the thead on topic) Back in the Bronx, Reingold, Schaffer, Pabst and Balantine were our mainstays. |
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Posted by Mellow One on Tue Jul 13 19:58:22 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 17:28:12 2010. So, what is/was that bridge/El structure in the distance? |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Jul 13 20:14:43 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Mellow One on Tue Jul 13 19:55:11 2010. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 13 20:20:47 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 13 18:50:24 2010. Manhattan banned overhead wires of any kind after the infamous blizzard of 1888. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 13 20:21:45 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Mellow One on Tue Jul 13 18:22:52 2010. Wasn't Piels a Yankees sponsor at one time? I remember Phil Rizzuto doing commercials for Piels back in the day. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 13 20:23:10 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Mellow One on Tue Jul 13 19:55:11 2010. I remember Blatz being heavily plugged when we lived in South Bend. They had a jingle that proclaimed, "Blatz is Milwaukee's finest beer - at local prices." No mention of express prices.:) |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 13 20:37:46 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Mellow One on Tue Jul 13 18:22:52 2010. Yes, Bob and Ray were Bert and Harry Piel. I have friends, senior to me who used to visit the Piels pavillion at the 64-65 Worlds Fair. They drank at the WF because it was inexpensive and yes they took the Flushing train out there.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Jul 13 20:39:25 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 13 17:33:48 2010. Ah, yes - warm Piels Light, 99¢ a six-pack. Memories of my youth.-w- |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 20:47:25 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Mellow One on Tue Jul 13 19:58:22 2010. That was, as one fellow kindly mentioned, the Vernon Boulevard Bridge, which connected Brooklyn and Queens. It was taken down after the nearby Pulaski Bridge, I believe it was, opened. The Vernon Boulevard Bridge carried the Graham Avenue streetcar line, which was the only BRT / BQT trolley line, I believe, to serve three boroughs, Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens. After the streetcars were abandoned, they were replaced by the 62-Graham trolleybus line until the bridge was closed and then demolished. Today, the streetcar loop at Vernon Boulevard and 50th Avenue still exists, but is paved over and is a commercial parking lot. Some of the streetcar rail, however, is still visible in the lot and on Vernon Boulevard. At this location, the tracks of the BQT / BRT crossed the tracks of the Steinways Lines' Vernon Boulevard route but there was never any physical connection between them. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 13 20:58:33 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 13 17:43:09 2010. I drank it when I liked cheap beer and a lot of it. For those more discerning times, I'd pick an IPA. Ballantine's was awesome and later on there were microbrewed versions. But Piels advertised itself as "the drinking beer" and it sure was!your pal, Fred your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 13 21:02:14 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 13 18:49:32 2010. I grew up with the notion that there was beer for sipping and beer for drinking. My dad kept good German beer for the former and Black Label for the latter.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Tue Jul 13 21:02:59 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jul 13 20:47:25 2010. Not to go off topic, but I seem to remember a 'bridge to nowhere' in that vicinity back in the late 50s-early 60s. Does anyone know if the main span of the Vernon Boulevard bridge was demolished first and the approach structure on the LIC side was left for some time afterward?It sounds strange but I have this memory of riding in the family car through that neighborhood and seeing a derelict steel structure that abruptly ended in mid-path. |
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Posted by Mellow One on Tue Jul 13 21:32:19 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Jul 13 20:14:43 2010. Thanks, that brings back some great memories. I still sing the Rheingold tune. The music is from a German Opera, which I can not bring to mind right now. I am distantly realted to a Schaffer family through my Grandmother, who was a Schreiner. I believe that the family was originally from Alsace. When I was in France, I always drank Bier d'Alsace. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 13 21:58:31 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Mellow One on Tue Jul 13 19:55:11 2010. I thought Stroh's was out of LaTrobe, PA?Anyway, they did own everything from Schaefer to Schliz, Old Millwaukee, and so many more. You could tell their brands, as most of them had the "tall" 12 oz cans. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jul 13 22:00:58 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 13 20:58:33 2010. When I went to St John's univ, Piels used to have sales for 99 cents a six pack! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 13 22:08:37 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 13 20:58:33 2010. Piels was already basically gone when I "came of drinking age", or you didn't see it around much.When I was younger I used to drink cheap beer too, but now I really like stuff with more taste. Although every now and again, I don't mind a "Budweiser", but usually it has to be something better. Interestingly, when it's warm out I am more apt to go for a cheaper lighter beer. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 13 22:11:18 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 13 20:37:46 2010. Hahaha, of course the World's fair was way before my time, but I guess on a similar note, I remember when I was about 22 or so, I was at Sea World with a few friends in Orlando, and that is owned by Anheuser Busch (or it used to be, I have no idea now). Anyway, they used to have a tasting room for free, and we would spend an hour in there "sampling" dixie cups of all their beers. Can't get cheaper than that! I don't even know if they still do that there. |
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Posted by Mellow One on Tue Jul 13 22:13:44 2010, in response to Re: Mystery Photo 4, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 13 21:58:31 2010. LaTobe, Pa, I thought that was where Quaker State Motor Oil and Arnold Palmer came from. My favorite Penna Beer was Stegmeyer, out of Scranton. They had a god ale and porter also. |
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