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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 15 13:45:46 2010, in response to LIRR fare zoning number, posted by tramrunner on Tue Jun 15 12:45:20 2010. Because over the years, they took out various zones in between, and added the stations that used to be in the removed zones to the zone prior or latter. They used to be consecutive. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Jun 15 15:12:09 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 15 13:45:46 2010. I think it was also a way to increase fares without saying they were increasing fares. Old zones 5, 6 and 7 were combined to new zone 7. In effect, zones 5 and 6 were stepped up to zone 7 fares. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jun 15 15:27:34 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Jun 15 15:12:09 2010. I could never understand why Woodside is in Zone 1 with Penn Station when Woodside is in Queens. They obviously want to make $$$. No doubt about it. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jun 15 17:12:26 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jun 15 15:27:34 2010. If I had it my way, only Penn Station and Flatbush Avenue would be in Zone 1. The rest of what is now in Zone 1 would be Zone 2, and Jamaica would be a dual-zone station (Zone 3 for westbound trips, Zone 2 for eastbound trips). |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Jun 15 17:34:23 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jun 15 17:12:26 2010. I though Flatbush was also in Zone 1. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Jun 15 17:41:55 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by Randyo on Tue Jun 15 17:34:23 2010. It is, unless they changed things since I last rode it a few years ago. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Jun 15 19:49:01 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Jun 15 15:12:09 2010. Old zones 5, 6 and 7 were combined to new zone 7. In effect, zones 5 and 6 were stepped up to zone 7 fares.And old zone 8 vanished and became zone 9. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Jun 15 21:30:16 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jun 15 15:27:34 2010. "I could never understand why Woodside is in Zone 1 with Penn Station when Woodside is in Queens."This discourages subway transfers at Woodside to and from the 7, which already has all the riders it needs. You can do it if you like, but you won't save any money. By the way, Kew Gardens and Forest Hills are also in Queens and also in zone 1, perhaps for the same reason in the case of Forest Hills. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Jun 15 21:44:42 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Jun 15 21:30:16 2010. Those stations are all west of Jamaica, as are the zone 1 ENY & Nostrand. I'm surprised LIRR never took after NJT and tried to jack up the price on a NYP to JFK via Jamaica ticket.If Woodside & ENY were zone 2/3 rather than 1, I know I would transfer to the subway there rather than at Jamaica..... Fordham on MNRR is either zone 2, or zone 11, depending on what kind of mood the ticket machine is in that month. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue Jun 15 22:09:38 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Jun 15 21:44:42 2010. I'm surprised LIRR never took after NJT and tried to jack up the price on a NYP to JFK via Jamaica ticket.There's a key difference between the EWR NJT station and the Jamaica LIRR station. At EWR there is no exit from the station other than to the airport (via AirTrain) whereas at Jamaica there is an entire community at the station. If the goal here is to punish people using public transportation to the airport then it is easily accomplished at EWR but impossible to do so at Jamaica without punishing the entire residential and commercial community. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Wed Jun 16 10:53:00 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by BusMgr on Tue Jun 15 22:09:38 2010. Sure there is. Offer an option in the ticket machine for JFK. Take the cost of a NYP-JAM ticket, plus the cost of an Airtrain swipe, and then throw an extra $3 on top of it.That's what NJT does if you buy a NYP-EWR ticket, vs if you bought a NYP-Elizabeth ticket and then bought an Airtrain swipe separately. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Wed Jun 16 10:54:28 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by checkthedoorlight on Wed Jun 16 10:53:00 2010. BTW, when I go to JFK, I usually take the E to Union Turnpike and transfer to the Q10. Total cost of the ride, $2.25 |
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Posted by tramrunner on Wed Jun 16 12:44:17 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Jun 15 15:12:09 2010. which stations were in zone 5 and 6 on LIRR?How about zone 8? Was Huntington in ZOne 8? anyway if you compare LIRR prices of 1993 to nowdays, now only senior/disabled can ride on a full off-peak fair of 1993 |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 17 09:39:13 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by tramrunner on Wed Jun 16 12:44:17 2010. On the Long Beach branch:Center Avenue, East Rockaway and Oceanside were Zone 5 Island Park and Long Beach were Zone 6 On the Babylon: Rockville Centre, Baldwin and Freeport were Zone 5 Merrick, Bellmore and Wantagh were Zone 6 I don't recall the Oyster Bay, Huntington or Ronkonkoma branches. I don't know if this is still the case, but there used to be a system map on the back of the tickets that conductors sold on board. The lines were there for the current zones, but if you drew a horizontal line across between Freeport and Merrick and then another between Wantagh and Seaford, you could see which stations were in Zone 5 vs Zone 6 or Zone 6 vs Zone 7. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 17 09:40:14 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Jun 15 15:12:09 2010. Here's a trivia question.What was the only LIRR Station that had it's Zone number reduced? |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jun 17 09:50:12 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 17 09:40:14 2010. 11 |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 17 10:08:51 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by R30A on Thu Jun 17 09:50:12 2010. Yes, I think Patchogue was put into Sayville's zone (and whatever corresponds with that on the other two lines. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 17 10:13:48 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by tramrunner on Wed Jun 16 12:44:17 2010. I think the zones were already combined in the early 90's, they did it before that. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Jun 17 10:16:18 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by checkthedoorlight on Wed Jun 16 10:54:28 2010. But is it as quick as going the extra 2 or 3 stops to catch the AirTrain? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 17 10:20:35 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Jun 17 10:16:18 2010. If I am on the way to the airport, I am not going to worry about a $2.75 savings for the loss of convenience. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Jun 17 11:24:14 2010, in response to LIRR fare zoning number, posted by tramrunner on Tue Jun 15 12:45:20 2010. After a brief Google search, I found this thread on Railroad.net, which pointed me to this list on Station Reporter, which, with addition of some stations omitted from the list, I will post here:Zone 1A: Penn Station, Woodside, Forest Hills, Kew Gardens, Elmhurst, Shea Stadium. Zone 1B: Woodhaven, East NY, Nostrand Ave., Flatbush Ave., Richmond Hill, Glendale, Fresh Pond, Haberman, Penny Bridge, Hunterspoint Ave., Long Island City. Zone 2: Flushing, Murray Hill, Broadway, Auburndale, Jamaica, Union Hall St. Zone 3: Bayside, Douglaston, Little Neck, Hollis, Queens Village, Locust Manor, Laurelton, Rosedale, St. Albans, Springfield Gardens. Zone 4: Great Neck, Manhasset, Plandome, Port Washington, Bellerose, Floral Park, Stewart Manor, Nassau Blvd., Garden City, Country Life Press, Hempstead, Valley Stream, Gibson, Hewlett, Woodmere, Cedarhurst, Lawrence, Inwood, Far Rockaway, Lynbrook, Westwood, Malverne, Lakeview, Hempstead Gardens, West Hempstead, New Hyde Park, Merillon Ave, Mineola, East Williston. Zone 5: Center Ave., East Rockaway, Oceanside, Albertson, Roslyn, Rockville Centre, Baldwin, Freeport, Carle Place, Westbury. Zone 6: Island Park, Long Beach, Greenvale, Glen Head, Sea Cliff, Merrick, Bellmore, Wantagh, Hicksville. Zone 7: Glen Street, Glen Cove, Locust Valley, Mill Neck, Oyster Bay, Seaford, Massapequa, Massapequa Park, Syosset, Grumman, Bethpage, Farmingdale. Zone 8: Amityville, Copiague, Lindenhurst, Cold Spring Harbor, Huntington, Republic, Pinelawn, Wyandanch. Zone 9: Babylon, Greenlawn, Northport, Deer Park, Pine-Aire. Zone 10: Bay Shore, Islip, Great River, Oakdale, Sayville, Kings Park, Smithtown, Brentwood, Central Islip, Ronkonkoma. Zone 11: Bayport, Blue Point, Patchogue, St. James, Stony Brook, Setauket, Port Jefferson, Holtsville, Medford. Zone 12: Bellport, Mastic-Shirley, Center Moriches, East Moriches, Speonk, Yaphank, Calverton. Zone 13: Westhampton, Quogue, East Quogue, Hampton Bays, Riverhead, Jamesport, Mattituck, Cutchogue. Zone 14: Southampton-LIU, Southampton, Bridgehampton, East Hampton, Amagansett, Southold, Greenport. Zone 15: Montauk. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Jun 17 12:30:49 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Jun 17 11:24:14 2010. Great post! Thanks! |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 17 12:36:27 2010, in response to Re: LIRR fare zoning number, posted by R30A on Thu Jun 17 09:50:12 2010. The answer I was thinking of was Montauk -- which was the only station in Zone 15, and was eventually moved to Zone 14.My question was wrong, though, and you are correct. Zone 11 stations were moved to Zone 10. I don't recall which fare was the base. (in the case of the 5/6/7 combination, 7 was the base and 5 and 6 got disproportionately larger increases). |
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