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What is the fastest speed of a subway train? |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Mon Feb 22 17:58:04 2010 Last week I rode the #4 into Brooklyn, it was going pretty fast in the tunnel. |
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Posted by 9 local on Mon Feb 22 19:24:56 2010, in response to What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by rbseabeach on Mon Feb 22 17:58:04 2010. On a level surface, the A train can get up to 50 mph near Broad Channel. N and R trains can break 60 mph in the 60th Street tunnel. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 22 19:30:53 2010, in response to What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by rbseabeach on Mon Feb 22 17:58:04 2010. I'd say that three of the fastest locations are:1. s/b Lexington express 59th street 2. 60th street tube, Manhattan-bound 3. Broad Channel, Rockaway-bound 60th street and Broad Channel can get up to 50+ mph. |
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Posted by EastSideRider on Mon Feb 22 19:48:59 2010, in response to What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by rbseabeach on Mon Feb 22 17:58:04 2010. BSS trains local or express, down here in Philly, have been known to do 60-70... |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Mon Feb 22 19:54:28 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 22 19:30:53 2010. Without starting a new thread, I'd say the slowest run in the system is the Steinway Tunnel run of the #7. Of an East River crossing anyway. |
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Posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Mon Feb 22 19:58:30 2010, in response to What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by rbseabeach on Mon Feb 22 17:58:04 2010. The L trains running in ATO get up to a good clip, maybe around 50 or so. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Feb 22 20:00:45 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Mon Feb 22 19:58:30 2010. we all know that the r44`s did 87mph on the lirr,how fast did the r46`s go on the lirr? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Feb 22 20:01:46 2010, in response to What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by rbseabeach on Mon Feb 22 17:58:04 2010. Man I miss the R62s on the (4), riding those things in the east river tubes & NB between 42nd and 59th was awsome! Those things bonuce! At least that bump in the track on the brighton line between PP and 7th Ave mantthan bound is still there, riding R40 Slants/Mods, R42s and R68/As over that bump pw3ns! |
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Posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Mon Feb 22 20:15:18 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Feb 22 20:00:45 2010. Were the R46s tested out there? If so I don't think I have seen pictures of it. I remember awhile back that Train Dude said that the R44 test was not kind to that set. |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Mon Feb 22 20:25:05 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by MattW@15st_prospect_park on Mon Feb 22 20:15:18 2010. As far as I know, the R46's were never tested on the LIRR. When the R44's were tested there, they cracked the 85mph mass transit speed equiptment barrier, however, had to limp back to TA property with at least half the traction motors burnt out from what I've heard. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Feb 22 20:27:25 2010, in response to What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by rbseabeach on Mon Feb 22 17:58:04 2010. Whatever it is, it doesn't reach nearly that speed in NYC. I'm going to guess 70 mph on BART. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 22 21:30:59 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by fisk ave jim on Mon Feb 22 19:54:28 2010. It's very slow. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Feb 22 23:14:49 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by 9 local on Mon Feb 22 19:24:56 2010. N and R trains can break 60 mph in the 60th Street tunnel.And I've seen it happen. It was a W train of R68A cars heading southbound through the tunnel. Train peaked at 62 MPH. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Feb 22 23:16:29 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 22 21:30:59 2010. If there were more space in the tunnel, the trains could go faster. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Feb 22 23:17:28 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by EastSideRider on Mon Feb 22 19:48:59 2010. Yes. Rode that train once. Quite snappy. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Mon Feb 22 23:21:00 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by Easy on Mon Feb 22 20:27:25 2010. BART may be the fastest in North America, 80+ mph. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Feb 22 23:51:29 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by Easy on Mon Feb 22 20:27:25 2010. I'm going to guess 70 mph on BART.I've seen 70 mph on BART and 75 on that forgotten system, MARTA... |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Feb 23 00:08:33 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Feb 22 23:51:29 2010. I didn't realize that MARTA went that fast! We don't hear enough about MARTA here. The only threads that I see are negative. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Feb 23 00:09:27 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by R42 4787 on Mon Feb 22 23:21:00 2010. Does it go that fast? It seems to go fast under the bay, but I don't know how fast it's going. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 23 00:14:09 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by EastSideRider on Mon Feb 22 19:48:59 2010. BSS speeds are vastly overrated! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 23 00:14:54 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Feb 22 23:14:49 2010. That tunnel has a steep grade and gravity helps, at least until you hit the low point halfway between Manhattan/Queens. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 23 03:02:15 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by Easy on Tue Feb 23 00:08:33 2010. I didn't realize that MARTA went that fast! We don't hear enough about MARTA here. The only threads that I see are negative.FWIW, MARTA is the fifth largest metro system in the country with a network larger than Philadelphia and Los Angeles (excluding their supplemental streetcar and stadtbahn networks). While SubChat has its insular tendencies, MARTA is generally overlooked by it's generational siblings, WMATA and BART, due to its lower (but not abysmal) ridership counts, and the fact that Atlanta isn't the type of place that one thinks of in terms of transit-oriented development. Unlike a CTA "L", WMATA Metrorail or NYC Subway in the US or Paris Metro, Madrid Metro, London Underground, or Moscow Metro in Europe, the average railfans isn't craving a ride on MARTA. Hell, the only reason I even bothered riding was because I asked my cousin to escort me on a visit there nearly six years ago. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Tue Feb 23 03:14:00 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 23 03:02:15 2010. The Baltimore Metro was built in the same era as WMATA, BART and MARTA (1970s/80s) but remained small in size and with modest ridership. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Feb 23 05:28:40 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by Easy on Tue Feb 23 00:09:27 2010. I once had the pleasure of riding BART in the cab at the front and the operator told me through the transbay tube that we were doint 77 so I guess 80 is possible |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Feb 23 10:52:24 2010, in response to What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by rbseabeach on Mon Feb 22 17:58:04 2010. About the same as an unladen swallow. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Feb 23 10:59:54 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by R42 4787 on Tue Feb 23 03:14:00 2010. One line is not a system. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Feb 23 11:02:32 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 23 03:02:15 2010. What does it say about Mass Transit systems in the US is MARTA, with two main lines, is the fifth largest? |
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Posted by 9 local on Tue Feb 23 11:02:56 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by fisk ave jim on Mon Feb 22 19:54:28 2010. No no, I'd have to give that title to the Manhattan Bridge, hands down. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 23 11:54:39 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by Easy on Mon Feb 22 20:27:25 2010. I rode on a BART train in 1981 out to Oakland that hit 85. It also did 72 through the Transbay tube. |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Tue Feb 23 12:35:00 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Feb 23 11:02:32 2010. I thought MARTA had four? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Feb 23 12:36:06 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by NJCL2308 on Tue Feb 23 12:35:00 2010. They have an east-west line, and a north-south line. There is one stop on the east-west line that is not on the main, and the north-south line has two branches. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Feb 23 12:39:27 2010, in response to What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by rbseabeach on Mon Feb 22 17:58:04 2010. Miami-Dade Transit's Metrorail deserves some honorable mentions as well. The Metrorail (using Budd 100's, similar to Baltimore MTA) can run at speeds up to 70 MPH between Allapattah and Palmetto, albeit done in ATO, while the "operator" merely sits in the cab reading a newspaper between stations, only to open and close the doors and make announcements in stations. The MDT Metrorail is actually a clean, well run system, and it is a shame that, for now, it consists of only one like. Big time expansion plans are in the works for MDT Metrorail.But folks, c'mon, do remember (especially all you R-44 haters) who holds the speed record for fastest speed of subway/rapid transit equipment....87.75 MPH......the R-44!!!!!!! Keep that in mind, fellas!! :-D |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Feb 23 12:45:44 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Feb 23 12:36:06 2010. From nycsubway.org "The system is made up of four lines: North-South, Northeast-South, East-West, and Proctor Creek lines. Routes are not referred to by the color on the map. " |
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Posted by LA Scott on Tue Feb 23 13:03:03 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by NJCL2308 on Tue Feb 23 12:35:00 2010. I would call MARTA 2 and a half lines, perhaps 2.6 |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Feb 23 13:35:01 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by arnine on Tue Feb 23 12:45:44 2010. Routes are referred to by color now. They just had that whole yellow line is offensive to Asians fiasco. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Feb 23 13:37:38 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by arnine on Tue Feb 23 12:45:44 2010. Look at the map. They have two trunks. The northeast-south line is a branch of the north-south line, and Proctor Creek is but a single stop just to the north of the west side of the east-west trunk. |
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Posted by 9 local on Tue Feb 23 13:43:30 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Feb 23 10:52:24 2010. African or European? |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Feb 23 13:48:09 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by Easy on Tue Feb 23 13:35:01 2010. I wouldk welcome the White Line for the Brighton LOL!! |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Feb 23 13:59:00 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Feb 23 13:37:38 2010. Ok trunks do not equal lines. NYC has several trunks that have multiple lines. MARTA on the rookies guide even states they have 4 lines. It is ok if we disagree, I can be wrong I think we're just going over a definition issue, no biggie wasn't trying to say you were wrong just was adding what nycsubway.org said. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 23 14:05:08 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by fisk ave jim on Mon Feb 22 20:25:05 2010. they WERE tested on the PW branch,went into port washington one night.several years ago somebody posted here that as a child he was with his mom one nite at great neck when a set of R46`s roared past him headed to PW.there are photos of R46`s at shea stadium at nyc subway. |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Tue Feb 23 14:11:20 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Feb 23 14:05:08 2010. Never knew that, thanks. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Feb 23 14:28:50 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by arnine on Tue Feb 23 13:59:00 2010. It's whatever they say it is. We used to have one subway line in LA and now we have two without having added any stations or track because the red line was split into red and purple. I guess that we can all agree on the number of stations. As it happens MARTA is 7th in number of stations, 7th in riders per mile, and 7th in total system miles. It's pretty average in terms of riders per mile as well. As opposed to BART which is fairly abysmal. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Feb 23 14:32:51 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 23 03:02:15 2010. Actually I just described BART ridership as "abysmal" in another post. Less than 4k per mile for heavy rail is pretty bad for a big metro/transit area like SF.There used to be a "Rob from Atlanta" (IIRC) that would post about MARTA. Not sure what happened to him. There was someone else as well. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Feb 23 14:35:18 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by 9 local on Tue Feb 23 13:43:30 2010. European. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Feb 23 14:49:23 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by Easy on Tue Feb 23 14:28:50 2010. That is true |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Feb 23 14:59:39 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by arnine on Tue Feb 23 13:59:00 2010. Trunks do equal lines. You are defining routes. You could run a train from Jamaica to 205th in the Bronx continuously without changing ends, but that's a route, not a line. The route uses multiple trunks.For the record, Queens Blvd to 6th Ave to Coney Island via Culver, Sea Beach, West End or Brighton; return via any of those four which were not used to get to CI, via Bridge to Manhattan, to the 8th Ave line at West 4th, then the Concourse line. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 23 15:00:53 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Feb 23 11:02:32 2010. What does it say about Mass Transit systems in the US is MARTA, with two main lines, is the fifth largest?Quite a bit if you look at the situation carefully. For one thing, it does show a lack of spending on rail transport infrastructure, which can be biased based on political affiliation unlike in other countries where rail transport is considered to be an aspirational goal by both left and right. In turn, it's partially affected by development practices and social norms which make it harder to construct successful railway networks in the first place. Plus, the elevated costs of tunneling and grade separation have lead most cities to construct light rail/stadtbahn networks in lieu of full blown metro systems which have had varying success. We now have multi-line light systems like LACMTA (Blue, Gold, Green, and soon "Expo"), Portland Tri-Met (Red, Green, Yellow, Blue), San Diego (Blue, Orange, Green), and Dallas (Red, Blue, Green) with a number of systems having network mileage larger than that of MARTA. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 23 15:05:30 2010, in response to What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by rbseabeach on Mon Feb 22 17:58:04 2010. Legend has it that the fastest speed any subway car has ever attained was 83 miles per hour by an R-44 on the LIRR main line during testing in 1972 and that half the motors in the car burned out as a result of the test. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Feb 23 15:19:34 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 23 15:00:53 2010. True. And I wonder if Atlanta had built their system 20 years later would they have opted for a primarily light rail system? Given Atlanta's low population density I think that they would have. But then I wonder if they wouldn't have ended up with a system that was twice as large yet had fewer riders? Heavy rail seems like the better long term investment. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Feb 23 16:34:17 2010, in response to Re: What is the fastest speed of a subway train?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Feb 23 14:59:39 2010. Ok, that I understand better.But, MARTA's site says they have 4 lines but your right they really in fact go in the same general directions. |
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