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Posted by Max Roberts on Fri May 27 07:58:31 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Mark Michalovic on Fri May 27 07:35:01 2005. Like many things that psychiatrists and clinical psychologists come up with, this isn't a proper syndrome (like a cold), it is a collection of behaviours that when they exist in a particular combination become noticeable in particular circumstances.Because of this, the label is misused and over-generalised, so that people who display some of the 'symptoms' suddenly find that they are misdiagnosed as 'mild aspergers' by friends and family (an oxymoron, how can someone be mildly clinically impaired in social or occupational functioning? Not quite enough friends, not promoted fast enough?). |
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Re: More quackery (was Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 08:03:03 2005, in response to Re: More quackery (was Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome), posted by Max Roberts on Fri May 27 07:08:16 2005. Nah, the "year and a day" of Yank tort law is long gone - this was the early 1970's and IBM. But after that episode, I learned to walk out on interviews where they even entertained such. Same for "drug tests" ... see any track marks? Are my eyes bloodshot? Did I make a "foo pas" in judgement or otherwise indicate "suspicious behavior?" If the answer is no, then "NEXT!"As I near "senior citizen status," I never cease to be amused at the faddish things generally accepted as "wisdom." Heh. I'll settle down with the reality that has served me well all these years ... "NEVER take life too seriously, and BEWARE of those who do. Moo." =) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 08:08:30 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Mark Michalovic on Fri May 27 07:16:41 2005. I don't think I qualify for the "disease" based on the tests, but I *am* "diagnosed" as "dyslexic" from childhood (and therefore a menace on rubber tires but TRACKS normally make the correct turn where required so long as you know your aspects and indications) ... I dunno ... I never was "wired right" but sure had an interesting and enjoyable life in the media, in electronics and now in computers. Somehow, whatever others think is wrong with me has been a plus and aside from republicans and democrats, I seem to get along with most everybody ELSE. Heh.And REMEMBER, *all* of us like trains! OBVIOUSLY there's a far NATTIER disease out there than Assburgers ... would you like flies with taht? :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 08:10:33 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Max Roberts on Fri May 27 07:58:31 2005. "Attention Deficit Disorder" as but one example ... as "Garth" would say on "Wayne's World", "Take yer ritalin, d00d!" :) |
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Posted by subfan on Fri May 27 08:10:55 2005, in response to Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu May 26 15:18:33 2005. I got a 33 for both now and then - "You are not likely to be an Aspie". I guess i'm just disgustingly "normal" (whatever the hell that is).subfan |
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Posted by Mark Michalovic on Fri May 27 08:18:59 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Max Roberts on Fri May 27 07:58:31 2005. this isn't a proper syndrome (like a cold), it is a collection of behaviours that when they exist in a particular combination become noticeable in particular circumstances.Actually, that's pretty close to the definition of syndrome. Merriam-Webster defines it as "a group of signs and symptoms that occur together and characterize a particular abnormality." We use the word "syndrome" when we don't know what the cause of the symptoms is, or even if all the symptoms have the same cause. This is different from a disease, which is a condition whose symptoms we know to share a common cause. A historical expample is AIDS, or Accquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. It got its name in the late 1970s, before we knew that the symptoms of AIDS were caused by HIV infection. Not knowing why the symptoms of immune deficiency, etc. showed up together, the condition was named a syndrome. Today, we know the cause of AIDS, and that it's symptoms share a common cause. So today, AIDS can't really be considered a syndrome, but a disease. Mark |
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Posted by Max Roberts on Fri May 27 08:40:41 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Mark Michalovic on Fri May 27 08:18:59 2005. Not quite what I was getting at. There are lots of clusters of behaviours and personality traits out there. The ones that get named receive designations only because of the politics of the society in which the people live. But as we all know, labels don't necessarily make things real. Why should Aspergers' have a label, and not other clusters?Anyway, lets up the precision of language slightly: Aspergers' is not a proper syndrome (like AIDS), it is a collection of behaviours that have been identified as a syndrome by psychologists with particular prejudices. |
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Posted by Mark Michalovic on Fri May 27 08:52:38 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Max Roberts on Fri May 27 08:40:41 2005. Again I think it is a matter of degrees. If the personality traits are mild, they don't constitute either a syndrome or a disease. When they become debilitating, then it becomes the proper domain of mental health professionals. And if a set of debilitating symptoms occur together often enough, then they may properly be called a syndrome.I emphasize "debilitating" for a reason. If the condition is not debilitating, then you're right, there is no reason to use words like "syndrome" or any real label at all. But there are cases where these symptoms are debilitating to the point where the where the help of mental health professionals is needed. Such cases are real and must be distinguished from cases where such personality traits are not debilitating. Also, I want to stress again the difference between a syndrome and a disease. To call a condition a disease means you are attributing all its symptoms to a common cause, and usually that you can identify this cause. To call a condition a syndrome is not so bold a claim. You're merely claiming that such-and-such symptoms have been seen together in a number of patients, but you are not claiming to know the cause, nor that the symptoms have a common cause. By this definition, AIDS was a syndrome, but has "graduated" to disease status. Meanwhile, debilitating cases of Asperger's remain a syndrome. Mark |
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Posted by Alex L. on Fri May 27 08:54:20 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by subfan on Fri May 27 08:10:55 2005. At least you're not alone. I scored a 30 Now and a 34 Then. |
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Posted by #3 West End Jeff on Fri May 27 09:08:35 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Mark Michalovic on Fri May 27 07:11:21 2005. LEt's see, how manyh of us on this message board are bonafide Aspies. I know that there are a few.#3 West End Jeff |
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Posted by Mark Michalovic on Fri May 27 09:12:21 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by #3 West End Jeff on Fri May 27 09:08:35 2005. Just based on the scores, a lot of us definitely don't have it, a lot of others have tendancies, but they are mild enough not to be considered as having Asperger's, and then a few others scored high enough that they might very well have it.The test put me in the middle group, which I can agree with, since I have some of the tendancies, but not in the debilitating ways that would, in my opinion, I would need in order to qualify myself as having any sort of medical condition. Mark |
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Posted by #3 West End Jeff on Fri May 27 09:27:09 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Mark Michalovic on Fri May 27 09:12:21 2005. I haven't taken the test myself but I am an Aspie and my traits will show it quite readily if one pays enough attention. I'm also not to strong with my social skills which is a weak area with almost any Aspie.#3 West End Jeff |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri May 27 09:27:20 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Steve Hoskins on Thu May 26 22:27:44 2005. You and joe c are in the same age group only very very broadly speaking. (I think we call that age group the living.) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 09:33:35 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by David of Broadway on Fri May 27 09:27:20 2005. Joe C the rapper is no longer among the age group "the living." |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri May 27 09:34:40 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 09:33:35 2005. Either joe c the poster was among the age group "the living" at Thu May 26 15:45:11 2005 or somebody's stolen his password. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 09:38:16 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by David of Broadway on Fri May 27 09:34:40 2005. http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,7408,00.html |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri May 27 10:11:49 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by #3 West End Jeff on Fri May 27 09:27:09 2005. I too suffer from Asperger's Syndrome as well. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri May 27 10:25:14 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 09:38:16 2005. Apparently, either two different people have used the same handle, or, as I said, somebody stole his password. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 10:29:51 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by David of Broadway on Fri May 27 10:25:14 2005. I suspect one is an imposter. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri May 27 10:33:39 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 10:29:51 2005. If the penalty for imposting is death, then we know which one. |
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Posted by Brother Pielet on Fri May 27 11:37:45 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 00:27:51 2005. Like Dennis Hopper said, 20 years and a cheap gold watch. |
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Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome (I got a 169 for both) |
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Posted by Bernie Goetz on Fri May 27 11:41:38 2005, in response to Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu May 26 15:18:33 2005. for both now and earlier. |
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Posted by R142 #6666 on Fri May 27 11:44:36 2005, in response to Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu May 26 15:18:33 2005. Where's Dr. Phil when you need him? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 27 11:52:57 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 09:33:35 2005. I'm a freak ho, call me sick 3 foot 9 with a ten foot d... |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri May 27 11:55:05 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Max Roberts on Fri May 27 08:40:41 2005. So what's the technical difference between a syndrome (eg Asperger's) and a disorder (eg Bipolar I)? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 27 11:55:37 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by willD on Thu May 26 19:36:01 2005. I reacted strongly to a few questions. I am a creature of routine, I prefer socializing in small groups with people I know, and I am often clueless to current trends, deliberatley so. I don't display any other characteristics of this condition. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 11:56:16 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Brother Pielet on Fri May 27 11:37:45 2005. SMOKIN'! :)"A bomb that doesn't explode is a cheap gold watch." Deinitely, definitely, uh-oh! Wapner ... definitely Wapner ... uh-oh ... K-K-K-Mart. :) I'm still trying to figure out what the disease is that results in insufficient bathing ... when THAT one gets named, I'se opening a FOAMER clinic and hanging a MEDICAID shingle. =) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 11:56:57 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 27 11:52:57 2005. Joe C.: Kyle’s mama is a big fat b****She’s tha biggest b**** I know And she stinks like sh** Remember back in tha day when she was skinny Now she fugly and but still thinks she’s pretty I just laugh and walk on past Saying sh** god damn that’s a big fat ass F*** that slut she’s a big fat trick But I still let her suck this ten foot d*** |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 11:57:38 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome (I got a 169 for both), posted by Bernie Goetz on Fri May 27 11:41:38 2005. When you hear the knock on the door, open it. The nice men in white coats with the net are your friends. VOTE republican. :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 12:00:18 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 11:56:16 2005. ten minutes til wapner. uh-oh! uh-oh! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 12:02:11 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by R142 #6666 on Fri May 27 11:44:36 2005. Out on a bender in Lubbock. :)For anyone who reads this, my intent in all this foolishness is to say HEY! For those who feel a sense of accomplishment in being judged "deficient," it's IMPORTANT to recognize that if you're still not living with "mommy" then you actually are already RECOVERED from your malfunction. You're NOT a "malfuntion" on the simple basis that you're FUNCTIONING, no matter HOW much you want to play "victim" with all this nonsense ... My only reason for getting involved in this thread is that I can't BELIEVE how many people are FALLING for this chit and even worse, saying "oh wow! I found a CRUTCH on the street, I'm gonna *CLAIM* it." :( GEEZ! Gotta job? Gotta life? *WHY* are you falling for this sidewalk act? I could SEE it if you were from KEOKUK but GEEZ! NOO YAWKAHS being BAIT? I'm *so* ashamed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 27 12:02:36 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by R142 #6666 on Fri May 27 11:44:36 2005. Kissing Oprah's ass and thanking her for making his no-talent @ss a star by telling women what they want to hear. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 12:04:28 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 11:56:16 2005. seven hours till the last nine train. uh-oh. uh-oh. definitely the nine train. definitely the nine train. (slaps head) uh-oh. uh-oh. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 27 12:05:13 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 11:56:57 2005. What song is that from? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 12:12:51 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 27 12:05:13 2005. What song is that from?Kyle’s mama is a big fat b**** (from the South Park movie soundtrack) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 12:26:15 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 12:00:18 2005. Counting cards ... definitely, definitely counting cards. WELCOME BACK, bro! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 12:27:30 2005, in response to the last nine train (Was: Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 12:04:28 2005. The "Broadway Thru-Express" was a joke in the 60's. :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 12:28:50 2005, in response to Re: the last nine train (Was: Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 12:27:30 2005. Ok...? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 27 12:34:03 2005, in response to the last nine train (Was: Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 12:04:28 2005. Will Wapner be on this 9 train? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 27 12:35:15 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 12:12:51 2005. Must've missed the Joe C part. |
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Posted by vengence on Fri May 27 12:37:52 2005, in response to Re: the last nine train (Was: Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 12:27:30 2005. Thur express?242 TO FLATBUSH..? |
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Re: the last nine train (Was: Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 12:40:12 2005, in response to Re: the last nine train (Was: Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 27 12:34:03 2005. Will Wapner be on this 9 train?definitely, definitely this nine train. uh-oh. uh-oh. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 12:40:57 2005, in response to Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 27 12:35:15 2005. It wasn't in the movie itself. Just on the soundtrack... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 12:43:58 2005, in response to Re: the last nine train (Was: Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 27 12:28:50 2005. AM and PM rush, they'd have the 1 train alternate between the "toonerville trolley which made all stops" and a train that stopped southbound from 242 hitting 238, 231, 225, 200, 168, 137th and then went local fdrom there. Same uptown as a PM train. In the 50's and earlier, the CENTER TRACK was used and the "BWAY THRU EXP" (check old rollsigns, they were there on the 27's back to the 15's at least) and they left VCP witht he FIRST SB stop being Dyckman, then 168, 145, 137 and all stops. Same tradition. Evey OTHER train out of VCP in the AM and north in the PM was a "THRU EXP" ... and they were ALSO turning every OTHER 1 train at 137, MARKED as north terminal. 1 out of 2. IMAGINE the frequency of headway from the 60's on back. :(But now we got the EmTeeYay, more interested in political brown-nose points instead of RUNNING a damned railroad. :( |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 27 12:46:49 2005, in response to Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu May 26 15:18:33 2005. You seem to have some Aspie or ADHD-traits but well below average for AspiesI think I had 99 then and 89 now. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri May 27 12:48:20 2005, in response to Re: the last nine train (Was: Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 12:43:58 2005. And what were headways like at each stop?I know from experience that, at local stops south of 96, if headways grow beyond the scheduled 3 minutes in the AM rush, the C/R has to fight to get the doors closed at each stop. North of 96 I think crowding is similar (a bit less at each stop, but more consecutive stops without an escape valve). Short-turning could be done, but I don't think running express south of 137 would be manageable without a major increase in total service through the area. |
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Posted by monorail on Fri May 27 12:49:40 2005, in response to Re: the last nine train (Was: Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 27 12:34:03 2005. judge for yourself |
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Posted by RLine86Man on Fri May 27 12:50:05 2005, in response to Re: the last nine train (Was: Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 27 12:43:58 2005. "Waddaway to run a railroad!"-- Frank "Lord Byron" IRT Trainmaster from Pelham 1-2-3 |
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Posted by vengence on Fri May 27 12:50:41 2005, in response to Re: the last nine train (Was: Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself), posted by David of Broadway on Fri May 27 12:48:20 2005. Back in the old days..we had a train every 90 seconds like on the Flushing line...times sure changed |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri May 27 12:51:38 2005, in response to Re: the last nine train (Was: Re: Railfans and Asperger's Syndrome - find out for yourself), posted by vengence on Fri May 27 12:50:41 2005. I fail to see how headways on the Flushing line are relevant to service north of 96. |
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