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Re: Metro North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 26 11:49:26 2009, in response to Metro North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jun 25 16:22:37 2009. Hmmmm, is the MTA "wooing" Rockland County? Sure looks like this is a "please don't go" gesture. As for the PJ "improvement", it's about time. The last train left too early to enjoy most baseball games. Is the train still a local in Jersey? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 26 11:59:07 2009, in response to Re: Metro North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 26 11:49:26 2009. As for the PJ "improvement", it's about time. The last train left too early to enjoy most baseball games. Is the train still a local in Jersey?Yes - making all stops via Rutherford. |
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Re: Metro North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 26 12:40:23 2009, in response to Re: Metro North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 26 11:59:07 2009. That's actually an upgrade, IIRC the last train used to be a local up the main line. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 26 12:45:53 2009, in response to Re: Metro North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 26 12:40:23 2009. That's actually an upgrade, IIRC the last train used to be a local up the main line.Not sure about the past, but the current train also runs via Rutherford; looks like just a push back in the timetable. The last train of the night to Suffern - the following train after the last one to Pt Jervis - runs via Paterson. |
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Re: Metro North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 26 13:01:28 2009, in response to Re: Metro North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 26 12:45:53 2009. I may be thinking of the late night special they run on certain holidays, like New Years Eve. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 01:08:42 2009, in response to Metro North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jun 25 16:22:37 2009. Well, ain't that weird. Jumping from no service on the weekend to weekend expresses. To think they could have run these trains on the weekend even without the sidings, too . . .(PS. Please use the hyphen. Metro North sans hyphen is that "metro" in Dublin, Ireland that ain't built yet and they're still fighting over.) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jun 29 20:52:19 2009, in response to Re: Metro North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 26 11:49:26 2009. I agree with you. This is a political decision to soften up the Rockland crowd. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 21:09:23 2009, in response to Re: Metro North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 26 13:01:28 2009. What's next, restoration of the line to New City . . . ? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 30 09:43:21 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 21:09:23 2009. Nah. Spring Valley, next stop, New Hempstead. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 30 09:45:04 2009, in response to Re: Metro North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jun 29 20:52:19 2009. I'm not sure a handful of weekend expresses will do. What Rockland needs is more railroad lines. Ones which go to New York City....imagine that! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jun 30 10:36:22 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 21:09:23 2009. Doesn't the line actually curve west to Thiells? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 30 11:09:30 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jun 30 10:36:22 2009. Two different lines. The PVL itself once ran due north from Pearl River to New City. Another line ran north from Spring Valley to Thiells and West Haverstraw. Woodbine yard is the remnant of this line. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 30 11:11:56 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 01:08:42 2009. I believe I have the answer. These are not new trains. These are trains NJT wanted to cut, but Metro North wanted to retain. As a result, the three trains are no longer stopping in NJ. The MTA now pays 100% of the operating costs for said trains.It's not a service increase. It's a service retention. It's actually a service CUT for NJ. |
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Posted by bzuck on Tue Jun 30 12:10:19 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 30 11:09:30 2009. Actually the New City branch ran between Nanuet and New City with a stop at Bardonia. As far as I know it was always a shuttle, and never had through service. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 30 12:12:21 2009, in response to Re: Metro North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 30 09:45:04 2009. I'm surprised that we don't have a spate of new tunnel building, both rail and road, what with the advent of TBMs. (Thought that TBMs made tunnel-building cheaper? We're overdue for "New York Union Station" . . . might as well have all commuter trains going to Manhattan, eh? and for cheaper capital cost than THAT project, i.e. ARC) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 11:08:38 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by bzuck on Tue Jun 30 12:10:19 2009. I thought Nanuet was on the Piermont line. Guess not. I Google mapped the area and couldn't find a single trace of this ROW. The line to West Haverstraw is still easily identifiable. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 1 12:14:17 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 1 11:08:38 2009. I thought that Nanuet was on two lines - the one between Suffern and Sparkill, and the one between Haverstraw and Hackensack via Spring Valley.Which one is the Piermont line? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 23:11:56 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 30 11:11:56 2009. Is this your speculation, or is it supported by a comparison of the old and new schedules? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 23:21:29 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 23:11:56 2009. Never mind, you are right. They lopped off the NJ stops on 4 weekend trains and changed their times around a bit. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 1 23:23:27 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 23:11:56 2009. um,On weekends, two trains in each direction will no longer stop at New Jersey stations. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 23:30:00 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 1 23:23:27 2009. That's ambiguous, at least in the version in the MTA release - but read my other post. I compared the old and new schedules. No ambiguity there. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 1 23:44:15 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 23:30:00 2009. What I posted is not ambiguous at all. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 2 12:04:05 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jul 1 23:11:56 2009. It's a word for word description of the service change from an NJT employee from rr.net, backed up by checking the schedule. The two trains in question are currently locals in NJ, after next week they will not make any stops in NJ north of Secaucus. They are not NEW trains. The MTA now subsidizes the costs of said trains completely, not just north of the Jersey border. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 2 13:27:42 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 2 12:04:05 2009. Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 3 00:25:08 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 1 23:44:15 2009. I said the MTA release was ambiguous. You posted the NJT release. |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Fri Jul 3 08:26:25 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 1 12:14:17 2009. The mainline of the New Jersey and New York Railroad ran from a connection with the Erie in Rutherford to New City. In Nanuet,there was a wye. the right leg of the wye was the line to New City. It crossed the Piermont Branch (Original Erie mainline Piermont- Dunkirk, NY-on Lake Erie) at a diamond. the left leg of the wye was the connection to the Piermont Branch. NJ&NY trains ran over this section of the Piermont Branch to Spring Valley where NJ&NY trackage branched off to the right, through Woodbine, Mt. Ivy, Thiells, West Haverstraw and Haverstraw. This was the Haverstraw Branch. I worked in Nanuet station in 1960, when all that trackage was still intact, and worked as a locomotive engineer on those lines until 1973. Lee |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 3 11:27:42 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 3 00:25:08 2009. Exactly. I posted the NJT release to show that nothing is ambiguous. You don't only go by one source. You look at all available sources. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 3 11:55:06 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by ebtmikado on Fri Jul 3 08:26:25 2009. So all the tracks to Haverstraw and New City was still intact in 1960? I was under the impression it was all gone by WWII. Rockland would be better served today if one or both branches had survived. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jul 3 11:56:46 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 29 21:09:23 2009. Extend the Pascack Valley line to Newburgh. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 4 00:18:47 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jul 3 11:56:46 2009. How? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 4 12:03:24 2009, in response to Re: Metro-North west-of-Hudson service improvements in July 12 timetable, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 4 00:18:47 2009. Not really possible. One could extend the Northern Branch from Northvale, NJ since the lines do cross each other across the border in Orangeburg, but NJT only wants to run light fail, er rail to Tenafly on the line. CSX will also have nothing to do with passanger service clogging up a major freight artery. Best way to get passanger service to Newburgh is via the Stewart Airport spur proposal, extending it northeast along the old Erie Newburgh branch. Cost and NIMBYism makes that idea unworkable. |
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