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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 13:32:03 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 13:12:22 2009. Unless you have Friday evening eastbounds, weekend trains, or Sunday evening westbounds, there is NOT "significant" ridership east of Speonk, at least not at commuter time. Many of the stations east of Speonk have less than 10 people getting on on any average morning/off in the evening. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 14 13:33:48 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 21:35:25 2009. No, Orient Point is where it is now, but IINM, Greenport was the ferry terminal, like GP38 Chris says.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 13:34:19 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 12:05:56 2009. Let me be an arse on this one, one last time... (and don't call me a dick rider. LOL)I picked up some of your exaggeration within this thread. a long of blue-collar folk that want to save money on gas would take the railroad there it's also a place where a lot of blue collar workers (who do make up a lot of the Ronkonkoma branches ridership during the peak hours already) who would take the new service live. Riverhead could be a huge ridership generator But there's still a significant amount of people in the Hamptons that live there and commute to Manhattan. It's very significant And they were all shot down rather quickly. Don't you think? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 13:35:12 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 14 13:07:34 2009. Is that Mineola? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 13:39:39 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 13:35:12 2009. It does - looks like NASSAU. But is that third rail on the Main Line? I didn't know that they extended past there in those days. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 13:40:02 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 13:39:39 2009. At least toward Hicksville, not East Williston. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 13:40:45 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 13:34:19 2009. Lol, you're just a pathetic dick rider that tries so hard to try to get to me by bookmarking my posts, but just like your attempts at doing practically everything else in life you fail at it. Lol just give it up man, your posts only provide me with comedic relief and maybe a bit of pity for a ankle biting dick rider like you. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 13:42:24 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 13:32:03 2009. Lol I know that, no need to repeat what the ridership stats you posted earlier said. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 13:44:58 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 13:39:39 2009. There is electricity on the tracks going to the left which appear to be Oyster Bay's electirfication to East Williston. I don't see electric on the westbound track on the mainline. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Apr 14 13:50:36 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 13:44:58 2009. There is electricity on the tracks going to the left which appear to be Oyster Bay's electirfication to East Williston. I don't see electric on the westbound track on the mainline.Yet the eastbound mainline track, or at least what we can see of it, is electrified. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 14 13:58:20 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 13:40:45 2009. From an objective viewpoint, he seems to have made his case pretty well. How come you can't respond appropriately? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 14:06:51 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 14 13:58:20 2009. He's simply not deserving of such from my viewpoint, Wado's ankle biting tendencies towards me go way back to near when I first started posting here. A pathetic dick rider like him doesn't deserve an ounce of respect from me, and I'm not going to give it to him. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 14 14:12:20 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 14:06:51 2009. You can still admit he is correct without respecting him... |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 14:13:51 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 13:22:45 2009. While there is some really rich rich locations on the South Fork, the South Fork is more "partyesque".Far more partyesque, yes. The north fork also has some pricey locations too, but it's much "quieter". it's not the Hamptons scene. Indeed. That's part of the attraction for me anyway. There's plenty of nightlife in New York. On the North Fork you have some really good vineyards (some really bad ones too, but forget that industrial grade crap), really good seafood, nice natural scenery, and not much nightlife. But for artificial scenery, nothing beats the Hamptons! On the really rich locations, it's really hard to buy in to a lot of the more desirable homes or even bungalows on the North Fork. The prices really shot up during the real estate boom (although they've dropped off precipitously now although not to pre-boom levels, not even close), and the other part of it is that property tax rates, even on a fairly modest house or bungalow are really high, to the point where it makes paying year-round for a summer home something that only the most affluent can really afford to do, especially on the larger properties. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 14:16:20 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Apr 14 13:50:36 2009. Yet the eastbound mainline track, or at least what we can see of it, is electrified.Yes that's what it looks like, and to my knowledge, that wasn't done until the Hicksville electrification. Of course, I could be wrong about that. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 14:18:11 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 13:04:13 2009. And the richer would ride a limo to E. 23rd St. and fly. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 14:20:25 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 14 14:12:20 2009. Because I'm not going to condone personal attacks towards me at all, even from somebody that admires me and bookmarks my posts such as Wado:"His use of "a lot", "lots", "huge number", "huge demand", "significant amount" and other number exaggerating phrases have been known to diminish as the discussion evolves." |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 14:32:46 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 14:20:25 2009. Personal attacks? I've never called you an "ankle biter", "dick rider" or any names. You're the one who did. All I did was pointing out my doubts about your use of certain words/phrases.Oh, and I didn't have to bookmark your posts to quote you. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 14 14:33:05 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 14 14:20:25 2009. What you quoted is not a personal attack. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 14 14:47:42 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:01:27 2009. That's not how I meant it. it's only the "end of the commuter zone" to the extent that Patchogue or Ronkonkoma are.I'd probably change the term "commuter zone" to "tolerable commuter zone". After that, you're just an extreme commuter who moved out rather far because it was the only place where you could afford a home, or it's where you grew up, or in a few cases, you're a former local commuter who can't move but changed jobs, or your spouse works out there. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Apr 14 15:36:40 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 12 01:50:38 2009. WOW... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Apr 14 15:39:25 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 12 11:23:27 2009. While I never experienced this, some of my friends did. Wasn't no joke! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Apr 14 15:40:12 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:23:15 2009. Well, again, back "in the day", your elders were allowed their double-standards. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 15:40:32 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:19:59 2009. Ah, but the way it is now the Oyster Bay line passengers are guaranteed a seat at least to Jamaica. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 15:48:44 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 13:39:39 2009. I don't see any third rail on the main line tracks, just the O.B. tracks. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 14 15:55:38 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 14:30:07 2009. It was I-84 and 684.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 16:31:31 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 15:48:44 2009. Look at the southern (photo right) side of what we are supposing is LIRR Main Line tk 2 (usual eastbound tk) - looks like third rail. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 14 16:50:20 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 12:34:48 2009. Besides, Jamaica is the better terminal. You don't have to transfer to trains which stop at Merillion and New Hyde Park, and if you're headed to FBA, it's not a three train trip. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 17:14:34 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 15:40:32 2009. And actually, that's a luxury that Montauk Branch or Port Jefferson Branch people don't have, as they sometimes have to change at Hicksville, Huntington, or Babylon. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 17:15:54 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 14 15:55:38 2009. I agree. It was those large roads, not the electrification of the Railroad. It's no surprise that I684 also ends at Brewster..... |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 17:20:25 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 16:31:31 2009. I think it looks more like switch controlling mechanism than third rail. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 17:23:47 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 17:20:25 2009. Some sort of pneumatic hose/pipe maybe?Could well be. As I said, I didn't know that the original electrification to East Williston involved the Main Line east of Mineola. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 17:38:37 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 15:48:44 2009. There does appear to be a third rail there, but I am not sure that is what it is. It's definitely only near the eastbound track. Heres a shot from the opposite direction. I am not sure it's a third rail though: 
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 17:40:39 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 17:20:25 2009. I believe you are correct. it may be for the connections to the switches to the old connection to the West Hempstead branch. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 17:47:47 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 17:23:47 2009. I mean something like this. This is between the station and Nassau tower so there is third rail too. (And you can see the turnout to CLP)
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 18:13:12 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 17:47:47 2009. That's exactly what it is. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 18:17:12 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 14 14:47:42 2009. While I agree with you premise and most of your points, houses don't necessarily get "cheaper" outside of "commuter territory". |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 18:17:20 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 17:47:47 2009. Yes, that's it. Compare to the reverse angle that GP38 posted and that's it. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 19:05:01 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 18:13:12 2009. Although now that I took another look, they may be electric lines for signals. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 19:08:54 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 17:47:47 2009. No, that is west of Main Street where the Oyster Bay trains turn off, so that third rail is for East Williston trains. If that was a third rail in the other picture it would stand to reason there would be a third rail on the Westbound track which is definitely lacking in the picture. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 19:13:29 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 17:47:47 2009. Ah, a Chevy Corvair, the second car from the right, one of my favorite cars, with the engine in the rear like the VW. Ralph Nader killed it with his biased book, Unsafe at Any Speed.And, as one who took the Main Line from Westbury many times in the 60's I remember that loco very much, as a matter of fact I used to stand in the vestibule between it and the first car to ride free. The conductors never went there!!!
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 19:16:25 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 17:14:34 2009. Maybe at Hicksville but I'm sure they's get a seat at Huntington and Babylon. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 19:36:57 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 14 16:50:20 2009. Unless of course the Oyster Bay passengers want to go to Merillion Av or New Hyde Park.But I agree with you. Jamaica is a better transfer point than Mineola. And I have a selfish railfan reason for liking the trains to go to Jamaica. When I use the LIRR (which isn't often as I usually drive to Queens and take the subway) I use Mineola and I'd much rather take the diesel trains.
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 20:58:03 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 19:08:54 2009. Me: This is between the station and Nassau tower so there is third rail too.Jeff: that is west of Main Street where the Oyster Bay trains turn off, so that third rail is for East Williston trains. Uuh... Same thing. No? |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 14 21:18:29 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 17:20:25 2009. It's switching gear on this monitor.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 21:23:13 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 19:16:25 2009. I misread your post. I thought you said they were quaranteed a ONE SEAT ride to Jamaica via the Oyster Bay Branch. Then my comment would have made sense. Sorry for the confusion. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Apr 14 21:27:44 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 17:14:34 2009. It forces them to mingle with the Babyloneans. Now, if you have Egyptians and Israelites together on the same train with Babyloneans, you've got an interesting ride... |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 21:34:45 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 21:23:13 2009. No, basically what I meant was why should they get off a half empty Oyster Bay train at Mineola and get on a crowded Ronkonkoma train where there's a good chance they wouldn't get a seat. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 21:39:04 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Apr 14 19:05:01 2009. In any event, it's not third rail. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Apr 14 22:16:12 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Apr 14 21:27:44 2009. Food fight! |
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