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LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 13:17:23 2007

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I run a blog about Roosevelt Island and transportation off and to the island is getting more congested due to increased residential construction. The tram can only carry so many pasengers per hour and as we all know by the time the F subway train comes into Roosevelt Island from Queens during the high point of rush hour it is packed. What I wanted to ask you all is whether you think it is physically possible to create access to the LIRR east side access track which was built obviously below the current RI subway station such that RI residents could use this as a possible transportation link to the island?

I doubt the MTA would ever allow this but in the long run for Roosevelt Island it woudl be cheaper than trying to build a new station down to the existing E,V or N,R tunnels that also travel below Roosevelt Island.

http://rooseveltisland360.blogspot.com/2007/10/access-to-lirr-on-roosevelt-island.html

Thank you, Eric

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 22 13:22:45 2007, in response to LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 13:17:23 2007.

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Um, no. Roosevelt Island is served adequatley by the F train, and it's hardly "packed" during rush hours.
Stop whining.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Oct 22 13:23:51 2007, in response to LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 13:17:23 2007.

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No Chance. And BTW: LIRR Trains are already filled up too.

Your best hope is to build the new Queens Super Express, This will provide more trains, and reduce the crowding on the (F).

ROAR

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 22 13:26:26 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Oct 22 13:23:51 2007.

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Or swap the F and V. RI residents are still gonna stand. That's why they're moaning.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 13:31:33 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 22 13:26:26 2007.

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I can appreciate the comments about people complaining / whining. But my question was whether those of you that have any familiarity with how the tunnels were built believe it is possible to create access or would it run into some sort of construction issue that would make it impossible.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Michael549 on Mon Oct 22 13:59:30 2007, in response to LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 13:17:23 2007.

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The closet example of what you are talking about would be the creation of the express platforms on the Lexington Avenue line at 59th Street. The express tracks exist below the local tracks, and when the station was originally created only the local trains stopped at the 59th Street station, the upper platforms. The heavy ridership at 59th Street, and the amount of riders transferring to local trains for that station was what prompted the TA to build the express platforms and other improvements.

I suppose it would really depend upon the method that was used to construct the tunnels of the 63rd Street line. While the underwater sections were built as units that were floated into position and sunk, I suppose that there would be a question about how the sections actually on Roosevelt Island were built.

Mike


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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 22 14:23:34 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 13:31:33 2007.

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Cost would make it impossible to do so. Practicality would make it even less possible.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Oct 22 14:27:01 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 22 14:23:34 2007.

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There's already an emergency exit linking the tunnel to the surface. I doubt there will be much more than that.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 22 14:27:30 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 13:31:33 2007.

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It possible to create such a station,but it would take a great deal of blasting to carve out a new platform AND access.

This in and of itself would cost a large sum of cash,something I don't believe the MTA is prepared to deal with at this or any other moment in the future..

But nothings stopping you from forming a group to push the idea..with ENOUGH people involved..it just MAY have a chace at an honorable mention..which is saying alot..seeing how the FTA is penny pinching us as it is.

My advise to you is..take a shot at it..one voice can start something going.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 22 14:29:46 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Michael549 on Mon Oct 22 13:59:30 2007.

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Roosevelt Island Station is in the rock tunnel about 110 ft below..


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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Oct 22 14:44:45 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 22 14:27:30 2007.

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If such a station were to be built, It would have to be accessed from the subway station platforms. There isn't really much of an alternative. All tickets issued for travel at the station house would be printed on MetroCard ticket stock, while tickets issued from platform level would be the regular ticket stock.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 22 14:48:05 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Oct 22 14:44:45 2007.

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MVM are here to stay..no need for ticket agents anymore.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Oct 22 15:17:18 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Oct 22 14:44:45 2007.

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If such a station were to be built, It would have to be accessed from the subway station platforms. There isn't really much of an alternative. All tickets issued for travel at the station house would be printed on MetroCard ticket stock, while tickets issued from platform level would be the regular ticket stock.

Metrocard on the LIRR... Hmmm... Interesting!

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by WillD on Mon Oct 22 15:41:17 2007, in response to LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 13:17:23 2007.

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What makes you think the LIRR trains passing through 63rd St Lower Level tunnel would be any less crowded than the F? If the MTA goes and spends perhaps another billion dollar to build a station on the lower level tunnel you may find that it doesn't provide any better service. In that case instead of competing with commuters from Jamaica for seats on the F you'd be competing with commuters from Ronkonkoma, Babylon, Long Beach or other points on the LIRR.

Maybe Roosevelt Island should look into having a staircase or pedestrian elevator up onto the Queensboro Bridge pedestrian walkway installed to provide better off-island transportation and more direct access to Manhattan.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 16:19:06 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by WillD on Mon Oct 22 15:41:17 2007.

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I understand and admit that any LIRR train would be crowded as are the F Trains but then at least individuals boarding at those two stops would have two options and those riders could be potentially absorbed by both systems.

Currently there are 12,000 residents on Roosevelt Islander. Five new buildings slated for or under construction will add another 3500 individuals at a minimum. Future development could add another 5000. One subway and one tram will never be able to absorb these numbers.

The option of LIRR access seems the most economical as the tunneling down at that width already exists as opposed to attempting new stations where the two other subway lines cross under Roosevelt Island.

The idea of direct access to the 59th Street Bridge via a staircase was dismissed by the DOT due to various excuses including security issues and landmarks status of the bridge.

http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/20/roosevelt-island-residents-want-pedestrian-access-to-qbb/

Again thanks to everyone that responded. I am honestly trying to understand as much as possible.


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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Oct 22 16:54:00 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 16:19:06 2007.

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Landmark status of the bridge?

That's a funny one. They used to have an *elevator* to bring *cars* from the bridge down to the Island. If they want to be hysterical let them re-build *that*.

12,000 residents? 5000 more residents? say 17,000 residents. And of those, how many will ride on the subway? OK assume *all* of them. That would only fill up ten trains. Put a few more trains per hour in there and you will have it made in the shade.

Besides, the (N) train *will* be going through there too as part of the Second Avenue Subway project. The (Q) will go up 2nd Avenue, and there will be no terminal at 57th Street any more. The (N) will run via 63rd Street and the (R) and (W) trains will run via the 60th Street Tunnel.

ROAR



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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 17:14:08 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Oct 22 16:54:00 2007.

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Are you saying you heard something that the *N* will be rerouted to travel through the 63rd Street Tunnel and stop on Roosevelt Island?

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Lord Vader on Mon Oct 22 17:29:06 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Oct 22 16:54:00 2007.

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How will the N get to Ditmars should that happen?

Lord Vader

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 17:43:32 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Lord Vader on Mon Oct 22 17:29:06 2007.

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I think Broadway Lion was kidding re his *N* train routing comment. Hence his ROAR.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Hart Bus on Mon Oct 22 17:56:03 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Oct 22 16:54:00 2007.

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You are referring to what was known as the "Upside Down Building" because when you entered it from the QB you were on Floor #1 and the floor #'s rose as you descended to the ground floor. Hence the name.

I used to see the building everytime I went on the lower level of the bridge. I don't know if it was a warehouse or just a covering around an elevator shaft. The elevator was a huge one that not only brought cars, but fully loaded tractor trailer trucks down to bring provisions to Goldwater Memorial Hospital and one or two other buildings on the island. They, like the building are long gone.

Originally the trolley cars ran on what is now the outside lanes of the bridge and there was a break in the side of the northernmost traffic lane so the vehicles could turn into the staging area prior to getting onto the elevator or turning into the Manhattan bound traffic. The trolley stopped there to allow employees to get off to go to work.

Seveeral years after the building was torn down and trolley service had ceased, the lanes were converted to automobile use.

It would be extremely cost prohibitive to re-establish this building. To go to such an expense for a privleged few is ridiculous.

Don't these people know about the Q-102 if they want to avoid crowds. Perhaps they can persuade MTA bus to have two or three rush hour buses go over the QB to 2nd and 60th Street ?

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by R42 4787 on Mon Oct 22 18:05:58 2007, in response to LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 13:17:23 2007.

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Build a extra tram wire and add a third car onto the tramway.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 18:07:06 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Hart Bus on Mon Oct 22 17:56:03 2007.

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The Tram, its cable system, and the former Trolley Kiosk (now the Roosevelt Island Historical Society Visitors Center)now all sit on the site of the old upside down building.

As noted earlier in one of my posts the DOT will not even discuss a staircase up to the bridge anymore.

The upside down building was a combination warehouse and elevator building.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 18:09:36 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by R42 4787 on Mon Oct 22 18:05:58 2007.

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There are already plans in the works to most probably take the tram off line for several months in 2009 to update the system and to take it offthe current single clothes line system and break it into two separate systems. No plans to add a third line though.

http://www.nyc10044.com/wire2/2007/10/rioc-board-votes-to-pursue-possibility.html



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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by EastSideRider on Mon Oct 22 18:20:05 2007, in response to LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 13:17:23 2007.

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AFAIK, the only thing ya'll can expect is, though I doubt it'll happen, is the SAS spur from 63 St heading south down the East Side, but hey, we can't even get 2 miles on the UES done...

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 22 18:27:24 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 16:19:06 2007.

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One subway and one tram will never be able to absorb these numbers.

Yes they can.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 22 18:47:07 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Oct 22 14:44:45 2007.

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By the time any such station is built LIRR will have joined the late XXth century with RFID ticketing.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Oct 22 18:56:36 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by R42 4787 on Mon Oct 22 18:05:58 2007.

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Build a extra tram wire and add a third car onto the tramway.

Or maybe build a second aerial tramway -- how about to 35/2, with an intermediate stop at the UN?

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by AlM on Mon Oct 22 19:04:16 2007, in response to LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 13:17:23 2007.

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as we all know by the time the F subway train comes into Roosevelt Island from Queens during the high point of rush hour it is packed.

We do?

From time to time I get onto the front of the F at Lex/63rd at 8:30 AM. The car is always fairly full before it disgorges a bunch of passengers, but not full to capacity.



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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Oct 22 21:25:33 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 16:19:06 2007.

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Presently, I don't see them adding any F trains. In the future, when/if the SAS is implemented, one could see a Queens Blvd Local/2nd Av service via 63rd St, which would, of course, stop at Roosevelt Island. But don't hold your breath waiting on that!

But stations are expensive. See my posted link in the 7 line extension topic. Unless Roosevelt Island acquires more land, I don't see it happening.

So out take-home points are: add more land to the island until it's part of Manhattan, and that should solve the problem. Glib, but that's more likely to happen than what you're asking for.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 23 04:38:40 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 22 14:29:46 2007.

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How deep is the N/R/W tunnel under RI? If its not at a steep incline I could envision a station being carved out there right next to the Tramway.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by TunnelRat on Tue Oct 23 07:52:45 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Oct 22 14:27:01 2007.

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Quiz.what are the 2 IND stations that were put in AFTER the ind was built[I don`t remember off hand]

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Oct 23 08:46:09 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by TunnelRat on Tue Oct 23 07:52:45 2007.

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Quiz.what are the 2 IND stations that were put in AFTER the ind was built[I don`t remember off hand]

23-Ely and some other one.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 23 08:59:11 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Oct 23 08:46:09 2007.

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Was gonna say that, but checked NYCSubway to be sure and it disagreed. But I think we've been through this before and that site is wrong.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Tue Oct 23 09:41:58 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 22 14:27:30 2007.

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Remember that the #7 line extension will have its 10th avenue station shell not built as part of the original work because the project was too expensive. Also, though I was once a Roosevelt Island resident and would love to see anything which benefits the island and my former neighbors, I fear that an LIRR station stop there would be like a Secaucus station--Stop a trainload of people who really want to get to their destinations for the dozen or so people who would board. I know Secaucus has become more actively used, but I will respectively agree that a Roosevelt Island LIRR station would not be the best idea.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Tue Oct 23 09:43:00 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Oct 23 08:46:09 2007.

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How about Grand/Chrystie?

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Tue Oct 23 09:44:33 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 23 04:38:40 2007.

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Good point. The emergency exit building is directly adjacent to the Tram station.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Oct 23 09:50:27 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 23 04:38:40 2007.

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Even if it's possible from the engineering side, it's infeasible from the fiscal side. Not to mention the ridiculously slow timers that NYCT would no doubt put on the signals, especially coming in from Astoria.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by TunnelRat on Tue Oct 23 10:36:20 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Tue Oct 23 09:43:00 2007.

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Thats newer construction,I meant the original construction.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Oct 23 10:52:47 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 17:14:08 2007.

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Yes.

The (Q) and the (N) trains are both express on Broadway.
The Broadway Express trains will take the 63rd Street routing and run via the Bridge.
The Broadway Local trains will take the 60th Street tunnel and run via the Tunnel.

This will simplify switching and increase the capacity and speed up the running times on the Broadway line.

The (N) will return to Continental Avenue, and the (R) will return to Astoria. (R) trains will continue to be serviced in Jamaica.

ROAR

[Thus spake the LION: Smart MTAs *listen* to their LIONS]

ROAR


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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Tue Oct 23 11:27:50 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 23 04:38:40 2007.

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Despite the presence of the airshaft for the N,R next to the Tram we were told they would never allow new station construction underneath the bridge for fear of it weakening the ground under the bridge supports.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by JBar387 on Tue Oct 23 12:48:06 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 22 13:22:45 2007.

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Sorry it is packed, During the rush hour. I know i've ridden it when I have a few morning shifts.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Oct 23 13:59:22 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 23 08:59:11 2007.

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Was gonna say that, but checked NYCSubway to be sure and it disagreed. But I think we've been through this before and that site is wrong.

I'm sure there's some pretty good map evidence.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Oct 23 14:03:35 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Oct 22 21:25:33 2007.

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Probably more if. As QB is packed enough w/4 lines. Unless another segment like that Super express segment were to be built then maybe a 2nd Av thru 63rd could happen.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Oct 23 14:07:54 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 22 13:26:26 2007.

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Not a chance, that would make 53rd and Lex a problem again. If the F were ever sent back to 53rd then there should be 2 additional side platforms for unloading and the current island platform for loading.
That way the crowd is dispursed and there would be enough room to move. [But of course that would add dwell time, but at least keep the traffic moving]

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Tue Oct 23 14:36:27 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Oct 23 10:52:47 2007.

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Is there anything published which discusses this route change for the N Train stating that the N will stop at Roosevelt Island (and presumably 63rdSt-Lex and 21St-Queensbridge)? I had not heard anything about this on any of the sites discussing the Second Ave Subway expansion. Thanks, Eric

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 23 14:45:03 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Oct 23 10:52:47 2007.

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If this is true..then switching will have to relocate to Lexington Avenue-63rd st..for N service to use the Queens Blvd subway.

I can see this happening, But the WHOLE POINT of the N/R switch in the first place was to give the R a YARD/SHOP for repairs...instead of Coney Island.

If you are stating that BOTH N and R trains would be served out of Jamaica,it just doesn't make sense...
The E/F/G/R and V already has over 1000 rail cars there to be serviced...

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 23 14:47:43 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by TunnelRat on Tue Oct 23 07:52:45 2007.

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23rd st Ely..and High st..

High st WAS built along with the tunnel,BUT was NOT opened untill later.
The same happened to Ely[built,but not opened untill a later time]

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Russ on Tue Oct 23 14:49:08 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 23 14:45:03 2007.

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Maybe they'll switch the N and R in Brooklyn. That would give both lines yard access at their terminals.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 23 14:57:12 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Russ on Tue Oct 23 14:49:08 2007.

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Switching the routes in Brooklyn wouldn't really solve anything..it'll be the same situation there is Now,except the train will have a different letter code![LOL1]...

It best o just leave thing well enough alone..or eliminate the R service and replace it with something else..like a route from the Brighton..

The point being ANY LINE from 95th st will have this problem..unless it routed to the IND in the North..whether it Uptown[which would be a good idea sending a train thur 6th avenue]...

So it's really a toss up about what to do with it.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Oct 23 15:06:02 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 23 14:57:12 2007.

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The point being ANY LINE from 95th st will have this problem..unless it routed to the IND in the North..whether it Uptown[which would be a good idea sending a train thur 6th avenue]...

Or you can send it out via the Eastern Division and use ENY as a dumping ground...

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