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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Tue Oct 23 15:06:12 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by JBar387 on Tue Oct 23 12:48:06 2007.

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My experience has been between 8 and 9 I have found that the F trains coming into RI from Queens are the most crowded causing Islanders to let one or two trains go by.

Those us traveling with kids are not keen about shoving our kids in and we have seen others, some even other Islanders, show no care when our kids are there.


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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Oct 23 15:28:53 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 23 14:57:12 2007.

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You really can't just be moving things around.

IF the Broadway Local were relegated to 60th Street Tunnel, then Astoria becomes a LOCAL route. The Local route uses the Montague Tunnel which is Local on Fourth Avenue. In other words: The Broadway Local *MUST* to to 95th Street if we are to avoid extra switching.

The Broadway Express will use the 63rd Street Tunnel, for to switch LCL / EXP at this point, or any point for that matter, will require extra switching.

So regardless of what you call them: The Broadway Local runs from Astoria to Ft. Hamilton.

So regardless of what you call them: The Broadway Expresses have access only to 63rd Street and the Bridge Lines. Thus the (Q) train, which runs 24/7 does Coney Island to 125th Street on the 2nd. Now where does the (N) Train go? Well, it runs on Sea Beach, it is a Fourth Avenue Express, it bypasses DeKalb, and goes over the bridge.

Now where can it go? It cannot end at 57th Street: that will no longer be a terminal. It cannot go to 60th Street unless you start playing with those switches again. So it goes to 63rd Street, which after all is where the Broadway Express goes, then it is defacto on Queens Boulevard. From there it can be either local or express. But having absconded with the (R) train, the (N) then has to replace that.

The (N) train remains a Coney Island based service.
The (R) remains a Queens based service, they just go out of service at 57th Street and dead heads to Jamaica via 60th Street, probably on the express tracks.

Probably the equipment of the (N) and (R) trains might be fungible, and float between the lines, with some trains using either yard.

ROAR





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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by AlM on Tue Oct 23 16:32:13 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Oct 23 15:28:53 2007.

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In other words: The Broadway Local *MUST* to to 95th Street if we are to avoid extra switching.

Whew. Thank goodness the MTA understands that. Imagine if they ran a train from Astoria to Sea Beach, what chaos there would be!






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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Oct 23 16:45:20 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 23 16:32:13 2007.

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Chaos no. Delays, Yes.

ROAR

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Tue Oct 23 16:52:53 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Oct 23 15:28:53 2007.

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I am guessing this is all very educated conjecture with nothing yet published by the MTA indicating that these are planned route changes? If this is published somewhere I'd be interested in knowing the source.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Oct 23 18:05:50 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Tue Oct 23 16:52:53 2007.

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Correct.

LIONs are smarter than a whole box of burocrats.

ROAR

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 23 18:08:03 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by AlM on Mon Oct 22 19:04:16 2007.

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E trains leave Queens Plaza far more heavily crowded than the F's do Roosevelt Island.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 23 18:09:46 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by TunnelRat on Tue Oct 23 07:52:45 2007.

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Do you mean before municipal takeover (1940) or unification (1967)?

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 23 19:08:41 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 23 16:32:13 2007.

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You are wrong..and ages of rail service TO AND FROM South Brooklyn has proven it.

Broadway local service does NOT have to originate at 95th st.
Switching will occur Anyway..

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 23 19:12:21 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Tue Oct 23 16:52:53 2007.

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Its speculation on the Lions part..never the less,it a pretty good idea from a layman standpoint.

The flaw being too many trains on Queens Blvd..too many trains in Jamica yard..not yard/shops servicing Astoria train directly..and a whole slew of other problems that need to be worked out...not to mention scheduling man hours and the like.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 23 19:16:38 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Tue Oct 23 15:06:12 2007.

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This is just a taste of what we ALL deal with..

Sorry,but the best thing you can do is ask for a service increase[sight if any]..

The F runs 15tph[reduced from 18 because of the V],and if you can get on the train THEN..[with 15 trains between 8-9]you WON'T be getting on at all.



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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Oct 23 19:40:04 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 23 14:57:12 2007.

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It best o just leave thing well enough alone..or eliminate the R service and replace it with something else..like a route from the Brighton..

The point being ANY LINE from 95th st will have this problem..unless it routed to the IND in the North..whether it Uptown[which would be a good idea sending a train thur 6th avenue]...


Well, I suppose the B train could run to 95th St and the R train to Brighton Beach, but I don't see Brighton Express riders liking that much!

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Oct 23 20:17:02 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Oct 23 15:06:02 2007.

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So swap the R and M lines then?

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Oct 23 22:00:45 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 23 19:12:21 2007.

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How does this put more trains on Queens Boulevard?

Does the (N) run more trains than the (R)?
Granted the (R) needs more service.

If all of the (R) trains remained assigned to and serviced in Jamaica, and all of the (N) trains remained assigned to and serviced in CI, then how could there be too many trains in Jamaica. And if you switched them one for one to the opposite terminals, then the crowding would also be unchanged.

Yes there will be a few more man hours running trains to the yards, that is a cost that could be borne with.

The advantages are clear: No switching of tracks in Manhattan. No switching of tracks in Downtown Brooklyn, where is the mucho crowded tracckages, this in turn translates into faster rides and greater tph.

ROAR

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Oct 23 22:02:02 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 23 19:08:41 2007.

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To use the switching plants most efficiently, which is to say "Keep your filthy hands of my nice clean switch leavers." then yes, it needs to be done as the LION has specified.

ROAR

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by TunnelRat on Wed Oct 24 00:02:49 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 23 18:09:46 2007.

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original means before unification.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 24 00:17:45 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Oct 23 22:00:45 2007.

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Now you know thats not possible...

What about put ins..?

Where are you gonna store those N trains?
Would it make sense to operate both N/R trains on Queens Blvd..?
How would they operate,with V trains?Local or express?

There is NO ROOM for an additional express service..and No room on the local for N service..
So what can you do?

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Oct 24 02:44:37 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Oct 23 20:17:02 2007.

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Actually, I was thinking of the J in particular since the M is a de facto shuttle...

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by SMAZ on Wed Oct 24 03:38:57 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Oct 23 22:02:02 2007.

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If the (N) or (R) were to go via 63rd St tunnel, the Manhattan-bound train would still have to switch in front of the post-SAS(Q) at 63rd and the Queens-bound would switch in front of the (F). Your clean switch levers would still get filthy. It's a lot more simple for the (N) to switch in front of the (Q) at 34th like it does now.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Oct 24 08:08:29 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Oct 23 14:03:35 2007.

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There's room on the local tracks for more trains on Queens Blvd. The problem is how the terminals are operated at Forest Hills and Jamaica into those terminals.

Jamaica Center seems like it should have been a very efficient terminal, but for the fact that they look to have put the switches in the wrong place.

So I think local trains could be added, even to the R/V presently but for the difficulties at Forest Hills and Jamaica.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Oct 24 11:05:54 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Tue Oct 23 15:06:12 2007.

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There are lines that are more crowded and people deal with it. RIers are lucky to have had twelve years or so of non-crowded trains and it's not like they didn't know that the 63rd St. connector would eventually be completed.

As for people not showing care for kids during rush, it's a worldwide problem! Not just RI. What can you do?

Unless RIers get stronger political power or invest their own money, MTA will spend the money where it's more needed. You need some Mr. Big Shot move to the Island. (Well, not too BIG or you'll end up with just an expensive ferry service to Pier 11) :)

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 24 11:15:12 2007, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 24 00:17:45 2007.

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Move the (R) train to Astoria, and run the (N) to Continental.
How does that change anything? The (N) would replace the (R) as the local in that part of Queens. The (V) remains unchanged.

THAT *is* what the LION can do!

ROAR

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by PATHman on Thu Oct 25 20:27:47 2007, in response to LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 13:17:23 2007.

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The F line is more than adequate for Roosevelt Island (I'll reserve judgment for what I think about this service pattern). Plus you have the tram.

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Roosevelt Island and the F Train - Adequate Coverage

Posted by Roosevelt Island 360 on Thu Jan 17 14:47:13 2008, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by PATHman on Thu Oct 25 20:27:47 2007.

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PATHman - I meant to ask this when you posted back in October. By what definition is the F line "more than adequate" for Roosevelt Island? And at what point does it not be adequate? What do you base your response on?

The station opened when there were say 8000 people on the Island and there are now 12,000 with construction adding 5 more buildings pushing that number up another projected 2000. My numbers are estimates but they are in the ballpark.

At what point is a line no longer adequate for the ridership base?

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Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 17 15:03:53 2008, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Tue Oct 23 15:06:12 2007.

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I sympathize and agree regarding F train conditions.

I disagree with the blogger, though in that gaining access to other subway lines should not be more difficult than the LIRR. More expensive, perhaps, because the LIRR access could be right from the current station. But I think creating an "in-fill station" on the Broadway Line (R train) would be very good, assuming the tunnel isn't at some incline under the island.

If you create a station on the 53rd St line, that would offer good access to the V and E train. I the peak direction, the E is a string of sardine tins, so forget getting on the train unless it's not rush hour. On the other hand, you could get from Roosevelt Island to Queens on the E, anti-peak direction.

It's worth discussing with MTA.

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Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 17 15:21:54 2008, in response to Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 17 15:03:53 2008.

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If you create a station on the 53rd St line, that would offer good access to the V and E train. I the peak direction, the E is a string of sardine tins, so forget getting on the train unless it's not rush hour. On the other hand, you could get from Roosevelt Island to Queens on the E, anti-peak direction.

There's no housing at 53rd St on RI.

Ave C on the L would have far more demand than such a station, and be far cheaper to build, and save the MTA a ton of money in the number of 14th St buses it's running, and the MTA isn't even considering that one.




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Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 17 15:26:52 2008, in response to Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 17 15:21:54 2008.

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"There's no housing at 53rd St on RI."

There's housing on RI. People need subway service. They find their way to the currenty station. The 53rd St line station would be more convenient, closer than the F station for many RI residents.

"Ave C on the L would have far more demand than such a station, and be far cheaper to build, and save the MTA a ton of money in the number of 14th St buses it's running, and the MTA isn't even considering that one."

That's very true. No argument there.






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Re: Roosevelt Island and the F Train - Adequate Coverage

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jan 17 15:32:23 2008, in response to Roosevelt Island and the F Train - Adequate Coverage, posted by Roosevelt Island 360 on Thu Jan 17 14:47:13 2008.

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I wasn't here when the original thread occurred, but I noticed no one has mentioned something useful in particular for your situation:
During the morning rush hour (last I remembered from earlier this decade), they will put in at 71/Continental several F trains. These trains will not only have space, but sometimes actually have seats when leaving Roosevelt Avenue. Roosevelt Island is the 4th stop on those runs, vs a train all the way from 179th st.

What could be useful is if the schedule for those trains was revealed to Roosevelt Island residents. While not as glamorous as a new station or increased service, if you knew at 7:45 AM and 8:15 AM there would be a train with seats, and could plan your morning around that, it would be helpful, no?

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by error46146 on Thu Jan 17 15:32:35 2008, in response to LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Roosevelt island 360 on Mon Oct 22 13:17:23 2007.

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There definitely should be another subway to Roosevelt Island. the F train is not adequate.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by error46146 on Thu Jan 17 15:32:55 2008, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by error46146 on Thu Jan 17 15:32:35 2008.

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I say sending the Q train to 71st Continental via 63rd Street

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by WillD on Thu Jan 17 15:39:27 2008, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by error46146 on Thu Jan 17 15:32:55 2008.

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But the Q will go to 96th and 2nd Ave before too long hopefully. Also what makes you think 71st Continental can turn the Q, R, and V?

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Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by R160 8818 on Thu Jan 17 15:48:02 2008, in response to Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 17 15:03:53 2008.

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I like the idea of a stop on the BMT 60th Street Tunnel.
And I don't think there are inclines.
A side platform station can be envisioned for Roosevelt Island.

Perhaps it is helpful in case if the tram breaks down again.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by straphanger9 on Thu Jan 17 17:35:40 2008, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by WillD on Thu Jan 17 15:39:27 2008.

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I'd be curious to see if they could send the Q to 179 during rush hours via express - the whole way, even past Continental (ie stopping at 63rd/Lex, RI, 21st/QBridge, Roosevelt, Continental, Union Tpk, Parsons Blvd, and 179). Two trains can turn at 179, and this would just be a temporary helpful measure until Phase I of SAS is complete. A final decision would then made regarding whether or not another RI stop is feasible.

Another option for down the (rail)road, if this service becomes popular, could be running the W to Astoria (it would run weekends now, obviously), the N over the route described above, the R stays to Continental, and the Q goes up SAS. This would entirely eliminate the need for the N to switch over at 57th St. to the local track to access the 60th St. tunnel (because without the Q terminating at 57, the N AND Q can run through to their destinations).

The only problems with all of the above though include 3 routes using the express tracks in Queens, and problems with weekend/late night cutbacks. The Q needs to serve Brighton. The N needs to serve Sea Beach, but would be redundant in Queens during offpeak times and now has nowhere to relay with the Q a through train at 57. The W needs to serve Astoria, and the R is necessary in Bay Ridge and as the Queens Boulevard local especially with the V not running weekends. But running all four services isn't very cost effective. Additionally, the express tracks east of Continental can't be used to store trains if the N is through them.

So there's clearly problems with it, but what the hell, I'll throw it out there anyway...

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by straphanger9 on Thu Jan 17 17:52:12 2008, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by straphanger9 on Thu Jan 17 17:35:40 2008.

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i hate when i type a post and realize after there are a bunch of mistakes...

I'd be curious to see if they could send the Q to 179 during rush hours via express - the whole way, even past Continental (ie stopping at 63rd/Lex, RI, 21st/QBridge, Roosevelt, Continental, Union Tpk, Parsons Blvd, and 179). Two trains can turn at 179, and this would just be a temporary helpful measure until Phase I of SAS is complete. A final decision would then made regarding whether or not another RI stop is feasible.

Another option for down the (rail)road, if this service becomes popular, could be running the W to Astoria (it would run weekends now, obviously), the N over the route described above, the R stays to Continental, and the Q goes up SAS. This would entirely eliminate the need for the N to switch over to the local track to access the 60th St. tunnel (because without the Q terminating at 57, the N AND Q can run through to their destinations).

The only problems with all of the above though include 3 routes using the express tracks in Queens, and problems with weekend/late night cutbacks. The Q needs to serve Brighton. The N needs to serve Sea Beach, but would be redundant in Queens during offpeak times. It couldn't terminate earlier at these times because with the Q a through train at 57, there's nowhere to relay it. The W needs to serve Astoria, and the R is necessary in Bay Ridge and as the Queens Boulevard local especially with the V not running weekends. But running all four services isn't very cost effective. Additionally, the express tracks east of Continental can't be used to store put ins and extra trains from overcrowded Jamaica Yd if the N is through them.

So there's clearly problems with it, but what the hell, I'll throw it out there anyway...

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by error46146 on Thu Jan 17 21:18:13 2008, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by straphanger9 on Thu Jan 17 17:52:12 2008.

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i say we do this:

Q to 179th via Queens Blvd line local and the 63rd Street
F Express on the entire Queens Blvd line
R remains the same with its ridiculous waiting times
V remains the same

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jan 18 06:10:04 2008, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by error46146 on Thu Jan 17 21:18:13 2008.

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How's the local (Q) gonna get through Forest Hills - 71 Avenue Station with the (R) and (V) trains terminating there?

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 18 09:06:52 2008, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by error46146 on Thu Jan 17 15:32:35 2008.

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Yes it is. It's also the only train that can stop there, as we aren't building a new tunnel.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 18 09:07:37 2008, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by straphanger9 on Thu Jan 17 17:35:40 2008.

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The express tracks are already at capacity, no additional trains can be added.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 18 09:08:57 2008, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by error46146 on Thu Jan 17 21:18:13 2008.

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Numerous studies prove doing this is impossible.

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Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 18 10:02:37 2008, in response to Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 17 15:26:52 2008.

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The 53rd St line station would be more convenient, closer than the F station for many RI residents.

The southernmost residential building on the island is north of the F station.

The 53rd St. line runs through the deserted area near the abandoned smallpox hospital.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by avid reader on Fri Jan 18 10:06:04 2008, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by straphanger9 on Thu Jan 17 17:35:40 2008.

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The crowding could be served by adding 1 60ft car to the 600ft set.
A 10% increase in volume, same tph.

avid

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Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 18 10:14:34 2008, in response to Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 18 10:02:37 2008.

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How long before luxury condos get built on that site?

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Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 18 10:28:21 2008, in response to Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 18 10:02:37 2008.

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Slow down there, wouldn't want to actually make posts that are based on real knowledge/facts. Making sh!t up to prove a ridiculous point in a discussion is a Subchat specialty among certain specific individuals.

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Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 18 10:29:40 2008, in response to Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 18 10:02:37 2008.

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Thank you.

If I recall correctly, there are efforts to try to save the hospital as a museum...

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Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 18 11:00:50 2008, in response to Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 18 10:14:34 2008.

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They want to make the area into a real park and even though part of a wall recently collapsed, the ruins of the hospital is landmarked.

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Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 18 11:07:30 2008, in response to Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 18 10:29:40 2008.

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It's not looking good... NYT article here.

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Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 18 11:08:02 2008, in response to Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 18 10:28:21 2008.

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Heh...

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Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 18 12:13:05 2008, in response to Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jan 18 11:07:30 2008.

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Bummer. I believe that was the last free-standing smallpox and TB hospital in the US, but I could be wrong.

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Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by straphanger9 on Fri Jan 18 13:32:48 2008, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jan 18 06:10:04 2008.

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yep can't run 3 locals...i'd still be curious though about the possibility of sending rush hour (Q) service to 179 via express though, although the headways would be tight at best...

just a thought

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Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station

Posted by avid reader on Fri Jan 18 13:36:06 2008, in response to Re: Other subway access / Roosevelt Island F Station, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 18 12:13:05 2008.

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I don't know about small pox, but Staten Islands Seaview Hospital has some TB buildings and solariums stil up.

avid

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