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Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 12:34:12 2007, in response to No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Russ on Thu Oct 18 12:29:12 2007. Because no 75 foot cars are supposed to go to the Eastern Division. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 18 12:37:15 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 12:34:12 2007. The punchbox at the 10 car marker at Court St for the Nassau St. lineup was removed to prevent this from accidentally happening. Apparently they don't want them anywhere on the J/M lines, even if a particular sections can technically handle them. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 12:43:04 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 18 12:37:15 2007. Yes of course, if one accidently gets there....and there is a sideswipe problem at a few places, it can be a real problem. It can handle them IF the tracks are clear in the opposing direction at certain locations. In today's safety world, I doubt they would want that scenario to even come up, so it's appropriate to make an all out ban.That 7/4/76 fantrip is certainly one fantrip you will never see repeated..... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 18 12:46:05 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 12:43:04 2007. Did the R68/68a EVER operate along the East?Just exploring ? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 12:52:21 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 18 12:46:05 2007. Not that I ever know of...I think they got way more stringent by the time the 68's arrived. The only way I know the 44-46's were there were from the 7/4/76 fantrip which I believe also ran to Canarsie, and from you mentioning that you saw them at Myrtle-Bway, and someone else saying they have seen them at East New York Yard. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 18 13:16:33 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 12:43:04 2007. Even though I have long heard sideswiping as the reason, didn't randyo just say sideswiping was not a problem he was aware of? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 13:22:35 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 18 13:16:33 2007. So what's the problem then aside from the Crescent S curve? OBVIOUSLY the R44-R46's have run to at least Fresh Pond Yard, Broadway Junction, and I believe Canarsie via the J line, and they got through, so why are they banned then? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 18 13:39:53 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 13:22:35 2007. I don't know. I was hoping you'd respond to his post and ask him. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:08:15 2007, in response to No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Russ on Thu Oct 18 12:29:12 2007. The 'cut' that leads to Essex sreet on the BMT from the IND is too narrow for the 75 footers. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 14:21:13 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:08:15 2007. ???? I would almost completely doubt that. That's new construction from the 60's when they already knew 75 foot cars would be used in the future. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:21:58 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 14:21:13 2007. OK then, run a 75 foot car through there, tell me if you make it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 14:32:27 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:21:58 2007. Where did you read this information that the Chrystie Cut is the problem. What is the source of that information? |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:34:50 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 14:32:27 2007. I got this info from M/M who work for transit, the cars are too long for the cut to Essex from the IND, 75ft cars are too long, and they have too much overhang. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 14:40:25 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:34:50 2007. I have never seen the Chyrtie cut as a reason given for not being able to use the Eastern Division. I have heard the overhang thing, too long thing, etc for other spots along the JM or L lines, but never heard the Chrystie Cut. Can anyone else verify this? This connection was made in the 60's, when they still were planning on one day retrofitting the Eastern Division. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:47:48 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 14:40:25 2007. I'm saying that the 75 foot cars cannot fit on that cut, i'm not saying thats the primary reason for the cars not being able to be used on the East Div. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 18 14:48:48 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:34:50 2007. Bull.The R44/46's used the cut plenty of times during diversions caused by the Manny B problems in the late 70's and early 80's. They would use the cut..travel pass Essex st without stopping,reverse and use the Queens bound center track now used by all trains from Broad st. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:49:35 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 18 14:48:48 2007. You sure? Because I heard from ppl who said that the cut cannot fit those cars. Oh well. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Oct 18 14:50:12 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:08:15 2007. If that were the only limiting factor then wouldn't they still be able to run 75 foot cars up from the Montague Tunnel? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 18 14:51:19 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:21:58 2007. I take it that you are a newbee, born during the 90's...or else you'd know that the 44/46's DID IN FACT USE THE CHRYSTIE ST BJ TRACKS during the FIRST MANHATTAN BRIDGE DIVERSIONS... |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Oct 18 14:52:09 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:49:35 2007. And like I said I observed a R44 with flat spots going toward ENY on the Willy Bee one time when I was younger. It had to take the C/C unless it came from somewhere else which wouldn't make much sense.Could be a reminder to new jack personnel not to make any mistakes. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:52:15 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by WillD on Thu Oct 18 14:50:12 2007. Well, I guess it is possible for the cars to run up the Montague tunnel, and through the cut to Broad street because then how would they got the R46's to run on the East Div. on the fan trip back in the 70's? |
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Posted by Dan on Thu Oct 18 14:52:20 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 12:52:21 2007. Special arrangements can be made for fan trips as I'm sure was the case on 7/4/76. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 18 14:52:22 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:47:48 2007. And I'm saying YOU ARE WRONG.I was there..RODE the trains THROUGH IT. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:52:55 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Oct 18 14:52:09 2007. Then that train must have used the cut from the tube. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:53:59 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 18 14:52:22 2007. Well then someone told me wrong info, so I stand corrected. |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Oct 18 14:54:51 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 13:22:35 2007. an 8 car consist cannot stop at stations with all doors abreast of the station platform |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Oct 18 14:56:04 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:53:59 2007. keep standing, 75 footers CAN make it thru!!!!! |
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Posted by Dan on Thu Oct 18 14:58:24 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 18 14:52:22 2007. Details, please. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Oct 18 15:00:00 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 14:40:25 2007. I '75 car can run thought the cut from the R and M, thought Brard St and change ends at a special 10 Car mark right before Fulton St. This happen many time in the past when a R train punched and took the wrong line Up at the split. This is why they took away the M punch button from the 10 car mark a few years back, I think around 2002 when the last one happened. The problem is at Fulton St. the station curve is to much and the ends of the '75 cars would hit it. As for the Chrystie Cut, yes a '75 car can go thought it up the bridge and up to a 10car mark on the bridge and change ends and go back the other way thought the cut. I don't know why they would do it but that why they don't want them there in the first place.Robert |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Oct 18 15:00:22 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 14:40:25 2007. Here's a dumb question. If I am not mistaken there was a G.O. concerning the D train and the Manhattan Bridge several years ago. Where I believe that D-trains from Sixth Avenue had to follow the K-train route to Essex Street. Then reverse direction and head down the Nassau Street line on the way to DeKalb Avenue. I believe that the Manhattan Bridge tracks were out of service for some reason. Now I am not sure what kinds of trains 75-footers or not were used during this procedure. I however remember that the amount of train traffic lead to tie-ups into and out of the Essex Street station. Does anyone else remember this?Mike |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 15:02:13 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Oct 18 15:00:00 2007. So then they can pass through the cut from the IND 6th avenue local SB track into Essex? |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Oct 18 15:06:46 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 14:52:15 2007. That was written before I read what you wrote in post 504379. I thought you were saying that the restriction against 75 footers in the Chrystie connection tunnel you thought they had enacted was the sole reason 75 footers weren't used on the Eastern Division. Since you clarified what you said my point is moot, but it was that they could have easily operated the J, M, and Z with 75 footers if the only restriction were that tunnel. Of course most likely there are other areas with restricted clearance on the Eastern Division which result in 75 foot cars being less than optimal for operating there. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 18 15:07:34 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 13:22:35 2007. They went up the Myrtle from Jay Street!ROAR |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 15:09:32 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by WillD on Thu Oct 18 15:06:46 2007. Ah, alright. And yea, there are a few more sections on the Eastern that restrict 75ft cars from operating on it, like Myrtle avenue, going to and from Central, another one is Crescent street, and may be more areas. |
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Posted by DCmetrogreen on Thu Oct 18 15:50:47 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Michael549 on Thu Oct 18 15:00:22 2007. I swear I read that on NYCSubway.org, but I can't find it! Aargh! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Oct 18 15:52:16 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 18 15:07:34 2007. TIMMMM-BERRRRRRRR!!!!!! |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Oct 18 16:01:07 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 15:02:13 2007. Yes, from Essex to Broad Street, no clearance problems. Michael 549 is correct also, there were G.O.`S where " D " service ran via the cut into Essex middle, changed ends & went express to Dekalb Avenue & vice versa.Some parts of Broadway Brooklyn are no problems & some are. I was on the R46 trip, they made sure no trains came South as we went North @ Marcy, same thing from Bway Myrtle into the "M" line. Canarsie was no problem. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Oct 18 16:18:20 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Oct 18 16:01:07 2007. I wish they would do a trip like that again. I would get the day off some how.Robert |
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Posted by Dan on Thu Oct 18 16:25:08 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Oct 18 16:01:07 2007. Mr. D - Type, any photos of that 1976 trip I hope? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 18 16:26:14 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 18 13:16:33 2007. Actually, the sideswiping problem at the ends of the Willy B is the only problem I am aware of. It is the Crescent St curve problem that I haven't heard anything about. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 18 16:50:44 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Michael549 on Thu Oct 18 15:00:22 2007. Yes,I remember it very well,as I was on a few of those trains myself. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 18 16:52:28 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by monorail on Thu Oct 18 14:54:51 2007. Cool, that's the answer? |
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Posted by EastSideRider on Thu Oct 18 17:02:16 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by DCmetrogreen on Thu Oct 18 15:50:47 2007. Somewhere in the 1980's article (And a very good one I must say!) about the subway on Nycsubway.org, most likely in the section concerning the deterioration of the Manhattan and "Willy" Bridges. If not that, then the 1970's article on the subway. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 18 17:03:53 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 18 16:26:14 2007. Ah, I see, thanks for clearing that up. |
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Posted by joe c on Thu Oct 18 17:54:10 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Oct 18 15:09:32 2007. I don't think Mytrle Av would be one of them,remember there was anR46 fantrip that went on the M line back in the 70's. til next time |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Thu Oct 18 18:14:52 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by joe c on Thu Oct 18 17:54:10 2007. I still think that's kind of funny. A fantrip on a brand new car-type. What was the point, to display the their differences from what was already around? I'm not knocking the idea, I'm just curious. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 19:31:54 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Broadway Buffer on Thu Oct 18 18:14:52 2007. It was something new, and it was the bicentenial unit. Look at how nuts people get to "ride the new R160's" when they first come out, that's what they did. And back then, it was already known that the R44-46's weren't going to be regularly run there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 19:33:37 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by Dan on Thu Oct 18 14:52:20 2007. Of course, but today they are much less likely to allow that to be done as they were back then.In 1991, I rode in an open gondola car on a fantrip on the LIRR from Jamaica to Greenport, I seriously doubt they would allow such a fantrip today. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 18 19:34:24 2007, in response to Re: No 75 Foot Cars To Essex Street, posted by monorail on Thu Oct 18 14:54:51 2007. What does that have to do with them being physically able to be running there? |
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