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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon May 14 01:57:20 2007, in response to Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GOLD_12th on Mon May 14 01:52:07 2007. DAMN....R-142s are falling apart at the seams!Looks like the R-68 is king. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Mon May 14 01:59:05 2007, in response to Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GOLD_12th on Mon May 14 01:52:07 2007. :in b4 the R32 haters throws a 'massive' party: |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 02:00:10 2007, in response to Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GOLD_12th on Mon May 14 01:52:07 2007. R142....188,014....386,026...DOWN 198,012R143....303,811....180,101...UP 123,710 Huge changes here! I wonder if the R142s big change has anything to do with the brake issue mentioned on here. Also, what is MDBF a measure of? I know that this doesn't mean that every R143 travels 303,811 miles before a breakdown. Is this the distance that the whole fleet travels before a breakdown? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 02:01:11 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by G1Ravage on Mon May 14 01:57:20 2007. Just barely edges out the R143, which is surprising to me. I didn't think any New Techs would do better than the R62/62A/68/68A series. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 02:01:45 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by Grand concourse on Mon May 14 01:59:05 2007. R32s generally are the most loved cars here. |
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Posted by milan1834 on Mon May 14 02:03:20 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by G1Ravage on Mon May 14 01:57:20 2007. The R68 doesn't deserve to be king. It's ugly, tarnished, dirty. In all, a total eyesore. Besides, their ride sucks. Give me the shine of the R62s/R62As any day. Even though they're pushing 20 years old now, they look great!Milantram |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 14 02:15:10 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by Grand concourse on Mon May 14 01:59:05 2007. It's not so much "haters" but rather the fact that the R32 is very over-rated within the rail fan community. The MDBF figures should confirm this fact. The numbers don't lie. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 14 02:26:36 2007, in response to Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GOLD_12th on Mon May 14 01:52:07 2007. Based on the detioration of the Jamaica fleet's MDBF numbers (I wonder if "their" R32's MDBF is under 100,000 miles due to higher mileage requirements in Queens), it may be a good idea for NYCT car equipment suits to think about bringing back a certain contributor to this board, providing he is willing to take on the responsibility. It seems wherever he goes, the MDBF numbers go up! |
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Posted by JBar387 on Mon May 14 02:39:06 2007, in response to Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GOLD_12th on Mon May 14 01:52:07 2007. Here is a Question!Are the R-32 numbers down because most of the fleet are on the shorter (E) line? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Mon May 14 02:41:39 2007, in response to Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GOLD_12th on Mon May 14 01:52:07 2007. This is giving me some bad feelings... The R32 may be scrapped after all.And what happened to the R62? During the 1990s it was MDBF king, topping all other models? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Mon May 14 02:57:01 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 14 02:15:10 2007. Regardless, they are often viewed as one of Budd's finest products and that their all-stainless construction will last up to 50 years or more. Budd's M-1s built between 1968 and 1973, on the other hand only lasted into their mid 30s. |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Mon May 14 03:22:07 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 14 02:26:36 2007. I have to agree I am notice how the R68's out of CCY are slipping. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 14 06:49:53 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 02:00:10 2007. AFAIK, it's the average distance that any car in the fleet travels between breakdowns. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon May 14 07:14:48 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 14 06:49:53 2007. It would be interesting to see the statistics calculated the same way for the five series of cars in the WMATA fleet.I would hazard a guess the MDBF for 1K cars would be the highest and the fleet average overall would be lower then what's shown in those numbers. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 14 07:20:52 2007, in response to Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GOLD_12th on Mon May 14 01:52:07 2007. Curious...does the MTA also release the other key statistic...how long the average turnaround time is between breakdowns (i.e., the mean time out of service)? |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Mon May 14 07:38:09 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by R42 4787 on Mon May 14 02:41:39 2007. There are other factors beyond MDBF. AMoreira81 asks elsewhere in the thread whether Transit releases the mean time out of service. There is also the question of how much money is being spent per car to keep it in service. The R32 may be down on MDBF, but if Transit has to spend a lot more time and money to keep the R38, R40, and R42 in operating order, they may go first, even if they have better MDBF numbers. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Mon May 14 08:02:13 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by R42 4787 on Mon May 14 02:57:01 2007. Budd's 1968 PATCO cars are still running every day.photo: Collingswood; Saturday May 12, 2007 
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 14 08:12:30 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by G1Ravage on Mon May 14 01:57:20 2007. Do the yards that each car class are maintained in have an impact on these ratings? For example, if one car gets serviced at Coney Island and another at Jamaica, does that have an impact? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 14 08:26:15 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to.., posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 14 08:12:30 2007. Of couse, if some yards do better work than others. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 14 08:40:47 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 14 02:15:10 2007. I'm not going to debate whether the R-32 is overrated or underrated or anything else, but MDBF is but one particular metric. When a train of R-32's pulls in on the B, I'm happy, because I'll be able to sit in a comfortable seat and because the train won't rattle so much. In other words, when I'm simply riding the train to work, I'm more interested in my own comfort than in MDBF. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 10:12:59 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 14 08:40:47 2007. All true, but when it comes time to get rid of cars, the TA will not keep the most 'comfortable" trains, they will get rid of the ones that cause the most headache, and that may be the ones with the least MDBF. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 14 10:16:58 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 10:12:59 2007. The TA may have a bigger headache from trains that work better but are more uncomfortable...that is, if the riders actually complain in large numbers. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 14 10:23:46 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 10:12:59 2007. Who said anything in this thread about getting rid of cars? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 14 10:27:47 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 14 10:23:46 2007. THIS guy. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 14 10:39:05 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 14 02:15:10 2007. Not to this railfan. I've never been in love with the 32's. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 14 10:42:20 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Mon May 14 03:22:07 2007. Jamaica's cars went to hell when he left there as well. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 14 10:46:12 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by JBar387 on Mon May 14 02:39:06 2007. Most likely the Jamaica R32's are suffering because of high mileage demands on that particular line. I don't think it's wise to keep them on a 24/7 route that heavily used. First thing I'd do is swap the entire V fleet with the E's R32's and make sure all the Kings Highway F's are R32's as well. That should ease their deterioration. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 14 10:47:19 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by R42 4787 on Mon May 14 02:41:39 2007. Most likely the shift of so many cars to Corona is responsible for the bad numbers. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 11:39:24 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 14 10:16:58 2007. Well, they are not going to get rid of the R143's or R142's, so, I wouldn't worry about that....and the R40's lasted this long, so I don't think the compaints on the seats are going to be anything to worry about.As a sidenote though.....I don't find the problem with the seats on the R142-143's that others here seem to express. Or actually, the general public? I have heard plenty of complaints for example about seating on the M7's, everything from size to the armrests.....but is there any published compaints about seating in the R142-143's, or is that some SubChatTalk? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 11:41:26 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 14 10:23:46 2007. Well, someone did (not you), but even so, it's a topic that runs hand and hand with reliablity or condition of cars. Cars are being scrapped in the near future, so this is a concern when it comes to MDBF, and perfectly on topic to this topic. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 11:42:53 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 14 10:39:05 2007. I kinda liked the R38's better, never much cared for the full ribbing. Not that I didn't like the R32's, but they weren't really a "favorite" either. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 11:43:53 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 14 10:46:12 2007. Most likely the Jamaica R32's are suffering because of high mileage demands on that particular line. I don't think it's wise to keep them on a 24/7 route that heavily used. First thing I'd do is swap the entire V fleet with the E's R32's and make sure all the Kings Highway F's are R32's as well. That should ease their deterioration.Hey, I like that too!! A precursor to extending the V to Metropolitan Ave.... :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 11:44:41 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by R42 4787 on Mon May 14 02:57:01 2007. What good is a pretty car if it doesn't run good..... |
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Posted by milan1834 on Mon May 14 11:52:17 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 14 10:16:58 2007. Frankly, I think the slant R40s should be scrapped first. The exteriors are literally being held together by duct tape. See my image of 4433 on www.nycsubway.org showing the decrepitude of the slant R40s. Go to:http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?64154 Milantram San Francisco |
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Posted by milan1834 on Mon May 14 11:57:23 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 14 10:39:05 2007. The R32s at one time were quite reliable. On my last visit to New York in April, I took two rides on R32s and I could sense the deterioration of the propulsion and braking systems. Although the Budd carbodies could last another 40 years, the same can't be said for what makes 'em go and stop.I have another gripe about the R32s, dating to the days when they were brand-new. And that's for sentimental reasons. They replaced the Triplexes, a favorite of mine. As a teenager then, I took many trips out to Coney Island to witness the Ds stacked on top of each other like cordwood. Milantram San Francisco |
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Posted by milan1834 on Mon May 14 12:09:10 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 11:39:24 2007. I have no complaints about the R142s or R143s. And I was really impressed by the ride on the R160s, which I took with felllow listmember Richard Panse back in April. They really "smooth the track out".Got lotsa R160 pix up on www.nycsubway.org from my April trip, BTW... Milantram San Francisco |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 12:12:14 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by milan1834 on Mon May 14 11:52:17 2007. I would agree, at least by looks....but they seem to perform better than the R32's, R42's, and even the R44 and R46! |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 14 12:18:18 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to.., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 14 08:26:15 2007. That's what I mean. Is that factored into the MDBF? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 14 12:40:07 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 11:41:26 2007. I never said it's off-topic.Look at the subject line. The worst car is not necessarily the one with the lowest MDBF rating. The best car is not necessarily the one with the highest MDBF. "Worst" and "best" can mean very different things to different people, or even to one person under different settings! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 14 12:43:28 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 11:39:24 2007. I was talking about say the R-40 vs. the R-32. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 14 12:49:58 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to.., posted by Mitch45 on Mon May 14 12:18:18 2007. I have no idea how they compute MDBF. But my guess is that there is no factoring - they add up the actual DBFs for each car in the class over the time period and then divide by the total number of cars represented. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 14 12:54:53 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 11:39:24 2007. Several members of the general public have expressed similar opinions about the seats to me.The issue is not that the seats aren't luxuriously wide. The issue is not that there are armrests in unfortunate locations. The issue is that, the way the seats are contoured, some people have to bend their backs in ways that their backs don't bend in order to fit. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon May 14 13:05:56 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 12:12:14 2007. The R40's also rarely see the light of day on weekends and maintained by Coney Island, whose cars tend to have higher MDBF's |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 13:23:05 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 14 12:54:53 2007. Understood, although, again, they are not getting rid of the R142-143, so it's a non-issue for what they will scrap. Again, I am sure they will be looking at the MDBF first, before "comfort" of seats (at least in the case of cars on death row, like the R40's). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 14 13:28:26 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 13:23:05 2007. The point is that if a given line runs two types of old cars, and they both eventually need to be replaced with R-160 cars, and if the R-160 cars have less comfortable seats than both of the old car classes, and if the old car class with the lower MDBF has the most comfortable seats, then the riders might complain if the cars with the lower MDBF but most comfortable seats are replaced first. |
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Posted by Mr. D - TYPE on Mon May 14 13:32:19 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by mtk52983 on Mon May 14 13:05:56 2007. Bring all the R-32`s back to Coney island Yard and watch their MDBF go right back to where it was and should be. Jamaica yard is to busy with the R-46`S to give the 32`s the proper care. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 14 14:01:34 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 14 13:23:05 2007. For at least the third time, I'm not talking about what cars are being scrapped! |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon May 14 15:16:47 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 14 02:26:36 2007. Hmmmm, let me guess, he is currently at Pitkin yard. :-) |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Mon May 14 15:16:58 2007, in response to Re: Worst NYC subway car MDBF rating (2006 year) goes to..., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 14 02:15:10 2007. Actually i meant it as a joke, not like I really care since I depend more on the R142 anyway. But eh not going to change the fact most of the R32's will still outlast the R38-42 at least. |
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