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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 11:37:56 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 11:34:39 2007. I was referring to the Queens Midtown Expressway portion near the entrance to the Midtown Tunnel which was what was being discussed.That's even more necessary than the eastern part of the LIE. Where do you think the LIE would have drained onto without the Queens-Midtown Expressway, the local roads. That would have been a disatser. The city portion is even more important than the easter portion of the LIE. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 11:40:42 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 11:18:55 2007. But what makes you think that will happen?I never said it would....but if "could", just as Boston has done. The City will look for the cheapest alternative and that will mean rebuilding it as is. Of course they will, so we are stuck with the necessary evil we have. Not having the road is not an option. Of course, a tunnel would not be that expensive after you consider all the economic benefits that would result from a revitalized Sunset Park within the next thirty years. Can't argue with that! But again, until such time, the road is an absolute necessity. This is where we need a "Robert Moses". That's what it would take to get the funding to rebuild it along the shore with new parkland. Yup, again, can't argue with that. Somehow they got it done in Boston. (but of course, not without their own set of problems). |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 11:43:41 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 23:58:03 2007. "That would mean that there were less cars on the other roads too...."Yes, but it wasn't the amount of cars that slowed you down then. The local roads were plagued with stop signs, frequent turns, grade changes, low speed limits and traffic lights. That's what increased the time to travel to the beaches, not the traffic. The parkways were straight and limited access and you could do a steady 40 or 50 mph even on hot summer days because there were few cars. I said the difference today is less dramatic because on a hot summer day, you just sit in traffic on Moses' parkways, so the local roads could actually even be faster. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 11:47:45 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 23:54:14 2007. "That's because it's a manufactured claim. Buses weren't even at the point they are today in the 1930's, and were really in their infancy"I'm not so sure I agree. While they did not really become popular until after they replaced trolleys after the war, they weren't actually in their infancy. Didn't we just celebrate the bus centennial in 2005? That would mean buses were around for thirty years. Would you say the internet is still in its infancy after 30 years? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 11:48:35 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 11:32:12 2007. I totally agree. I only posted that comment because I am genuinely interested and want to find out. I really don't know much about the construction of the BQE/GOwanas, and it would be interesting to read about. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 11:52:19 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 11:47:45 2007. Of course, but the Parkway construction and design began in 1925 (give or take a year). Think of what cars looked like in 1925. It was impossible to even comprehend what was to come. And like I said, those small type of buses like some schools use fit, and do run on the parkways. Trolleys reigned supreme yet in the 20's, and even into the 30's. Buses were not what they became and the 40's and 50's, and certainly not what they are today. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 11:53:41 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 13 00:42:39 2007. Thanks for the reference. He is doing the logical thing, letting the reader draw his own conclusions. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 11:55:39 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 11:53:41 2007. Yeah, and look how it was swayed, and the conclusions that were drawn from that "fair, logical" thing. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 12:00:51 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 00:15:04 2007. If what you say is true, that Moses had no intentions of trying to limit Jones Beach access to low income groups by designing low overpasses to purposely exclude buses carrying those people, I would think that would be one of the first things he would rebut in his 25 page rebuttal to the Power Broker. Unless I forgot, I don't remember him challenging Caro on that point. Instead he challenges a name Caro says he called Mayor LaGuardia which he steadfastly denied. Which do you think would have been more important for him to challenge? That he discriminated against a whole class of people or that he called one person a name? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 12:07:01 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 12:00:51 2007. I am in no way saying that Robert Moses was not a racist. But I have no idea. And I am not commenting on that. All I am saying is that the design of the bridges doesn't incriminate him to that charge. They were designed in the 1920's. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 12:13:19 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 00:17:54 2007. "Yes, and if one notices today, they can (and do) run those smaller school buses on the Parkways"But I believe that many of the extremely low overpasses Moses designed (in some places but not everywhere) have been rebuilt in time so that they are no longer so low. It is possible that the small buses you refer to could not have fitted on the parkways in the 1930s. But I believe what you say about Moses not being a psychic. When I grew up in East Flatbush in the 1950s, in a neighborhood built in the 1920s, I could never understand why all the cars parked in the driveways always stuck way into the sidewalks and you almost had to walk in the street to go around them, until my father explained to me what the problem was. In the late 1950s when the cars had their fins, they were much longer than the cars of today. My father explained to me that the driveways were designed for Model Ts and that no one envisioned that someday the cars would become longer. (With the number of smaller foreign cars today, I would imagine that it is less of a problem today), but it was a real inconvenience back then, and luckily they weren't giving out tickets then for blocking the sidewalk. So I guess in the fifties you could have looked at those houses and concluded that the builders were pro-car and anti-pedestrian if you wanted to. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 12:22:47 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 11:32:08 2007. We are in agreement until the last point.Me: "If Moses didn't shoot himself in the foot by making a few stupid maneuvers in the early sixties" You: "No, by that time, the era of Moses' thinking was over. Moses did this in an era when people thought in the same thinking, "Expand ROads". By the 60's, the "golden age" of road expansion was over, just as the "golden age" of transit expansion was over a half a century earlier." Moses did hurt himself by threatening to resign from a number of his jobs and then followed through, which greatly eroded his power. Add this to the fact that Rockefeller didn't like him and the decline began. Yes the thinking about transit was changing and you had the Jane Jacobs factor, but to a large degree, Moses did himself in. He definitely would have been around many years longer if he didn't harm himself. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 12:26:06 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 11:40:42 2007. "Yup, again, can't argue with that. Somehow they got it done in Boston. (but of course, not without their own set of problems)."And if Moses had been in charge, it wouldn't have taken so long and been so over budget. Also it wouldn't have collapsed in a few short years. The Gowanus with its extra heavy use lasted much longer before it started failing apart. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 12:32:51 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 11:37:56 2007. As I said originally the local road near the Midtown Tunnel was a wide Horace Harding Boulevard (just as wide as the LIE, I saw the picture somewhere.) It was two lanes in each direction with a very large green median in the center to eventually expand it to an eight lane surface boulevard which was the intention. Moses came along and using greater vision decided to make it limited access. If not for him, today the entire LIE in the City would have still been a boulevard. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 12:35:26 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 11:55:39 2007. I'm not so sure it was swayed that much if he had Negro buses relegated to the far end of the parking lot as was stated. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 12:39:15 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 12:26:06 2007. And the Gowanus is only falling apart because, for one it's old, and it's never really been maintained except with band aids, if at all. It really needs major upgrade and work. Even in a perfect world of maintenance, it's a hard road to keep up with, especially with the pounding from the vast amount of traffic that road must endure...and of course, it hasn't been maintained over the years like it should, and that only makes a bad situation worse. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 12:39:32 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 12:07:01 2007. And as I said many of the low overpasses have since been rebuilt. Are you sure that even the small buses would have fit under some of the low overpasses in all the lanes in the 1930s? Caro says no.Even if he just made the overpasses low to accommodate cars only and not to specifically disallow buses, it still shows a bias to the upper class who were the only ones who could afford cars at the time. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 12:41:02 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 12:39:15 2007. Even further strengthens my point. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 12:47:22 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 12:32:51 2007. And for that we can thank him. As i said, the good with the bad. The LIE in it's entirety (and even more in the city) is an absolute necessity, and the lifeline of all of Long Island. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 12:51:40 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 12:35:26 2007. But AGAIN, (as horrible as it is), we are talking the a DIFFERENT ERA. You can't take today's thinking on equality, and try and throw that to a era in the past. As hideous as it was, THAT was still somewhat the norm back then. Remember, we are talking about an era before the civil rights movement, and anti-segregation. The sad fact was that THAT was more of the norm back then, and socially acceptible. We have evolved since then thank God. And today, it sounds absolutely outrageous. But that's just the point, as outrageous as it sounds today, it sounds outrageous in TODAY's thinking. We can't place today's thinking on a thinking that was the norm back in the 20's, 30's, 40's, and even the 50's yet. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 12:54:14 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 12:39:32 2007. Even if he just made the overpasses low to accommodate cars only and not to specifically disallow buses, it still shows a bias to the upper class who were the only ones who could afford cars at the time.And you are STILL trying to take a thought process of the 2000's, and tryint to fit it into a thought process of the 1920's. It can't be done. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 13:17:53 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 12:51:40 2007. I guess you are correct. Too many people make that mistake. As I also said before, in the 1800s, it was only a few who spoke out against slavery as horrible as that was. Most people just accepted it as a fact of life. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 13:20:03 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 12:54:14 2007. I don't agree this time. Are you saying that in the 1920s everyone showed a bias to the upper class and Moses was just a victim of his times? That's a little far fetched. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 13 13:28:56 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 12:13:19 2007. But I believe that many of the extremely low overpasses Moses designed (in some places but not everywhere) have been rebuilt in time so that they are no longer so low. It is possible that the small buses you refer to could not have fitted on the parkways in the 1930s.That's doubtful, since raising the overpasses would require lengthening the approaches on the cross streets, a massive undertaking. When I grew up in East Flatbush in the 1950s, in a neighborhood built in the 1920s, I could never understand why all the cars parked in the driveways always stuck way into the sidewalks and you almost had to walk in the street to go around them, until my father explained to me what the problem was... Similarly, my parents' '78 Volare station wagon didn't fit in the garage of our 1890s duplex in Providence - and that was supposed to be a midsize car! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 13 13:42:12 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 13:20:03 2007. Are you saying that in the 1920s everyone showed a bias to the upper class and Moses was just a victim of his times?Many admired Moses because he condemned portions of wealthy estates on Long Island to build public parks and beaches. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Feb 13 14:05:01 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 18:41:27 2007. 7) There was active community activism against the roads being built in their area - that's one reason if not the main why no major highways were built thru Manhattan.Unrelated recently they've been talking about sinking the West Side hgwy near the wtc area to accomodate more traffic or something - this was a few years ago. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Feb 13 14:06:32 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:41:18 2007. i just wished they widened the inner 2 roads - you can barely pass another car on the inner side of the willy b. That's at most one lane especially if a hummer is on it. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Feb 13 14:12:06 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by PATHman on Sun Feb 11 00:01:57 2007. 1] I'm sure the 'great' PA should be using that $2 billion to build that rail segment. Connect it from LGA to Astoria blvd via the Grand Central pkwy. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Feb 13 14:14:32 2007, in response to Re: I AM A HIGH SCHOOL STDENT! Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Feb 11 13:13:48 2007. The world has degenerated much. Whn I was in grade school in the late 90's hardly anyone cursed as much as they do now. I ride the buses and kids in 8th grade and below were casually cursing and acting like zoo animals. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 13 14:25:31 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Feb 11 11:09:53 2007. I guess the Verrazano is so plain probably because by the time it was built they were already trying to save on costs and Moses wanted to build it in record time.No, by the time it was built, art and architectural styles had changed. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 13 14:32:39 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Feb 11 13:26:12 2007. The building in the first photo is very nice-looking. I wouldn't say that it's an example of bad modern architecture at all.It doesn't know what it is. It looks like a 1980s office building landed on a 1950s apartment block, leaving only its façade standing. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 13 14:34:14 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Feb 13 14:06:32 2007. i just wished they widened the inner 2 roads - you can barely pass another car on the inner side of the willy b.There's no way to do that without building a new bridge. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 15:16:30 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 13 14:34:14 2007. And of course as we all know, it was noit designed for cars like it is used today, the inner roadway was designed for tracks with trolleys....the outer roadways for horse and carriage, so of course structurally, they didn't have to think about cars changing lanes.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 15:17:49 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 13 14:25:31 2007. Right, the Verrazano fits in perfectly with the acrchitectual style of it's era. It's just that that era had crappy, or nondescript architecture. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 13 15:38:03 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 10 23:39:00 2007. There's No question that he was accomplished at "getting money" for HIS projects...It's the OTHER projects that were JUST as important to the city that he stepped on... For example..look what he did to the Chrystie street subway.. It was UNDER CONSTRUCTION..and he STOPPED it..so he could shoehorn his LOMEX TUNNEL under it! Spent a MILLION BUCKS on a tunnel,for a road that wasn't even APPROVED YET! All the while,the TA was having TONS of problems funding the new routes plan...MOSES was TOSSING MONEY AWAY for nonsense. A real charmer,he was. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 13 16:03:18 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 11 12:13:41 2007. Okay..Ill agree with you here on some of your points..He DID do SOME good for the city..true. The roads and bridges he managed to get built did open the city and surrounding counties to the "masses". |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 13 16:24:28 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 12 06:50:14 2007. According to the 1968 SAS plan..the Seaport Station and Pine street station were to have a max of 3 ft..due to power consumption and MASSIVE WEAR on rail equipment..on steep grades.Of course the NEW plan is to deep bore the whole project..passing under the CRANBERRY ST tunnel. so no more grade problems. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 16:30:15 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 13 13:28:56 2007. Overpasses were rebuilt as part of the Northern Parkway widening to 3 lines a few years ago between the Meadowbrook and the Wantagh. There probably were a few other rebuildings on some of the other parkways. Hutchinson? Saw Mill? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 16:38:26 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 13 13:42:12 2007. He also took advantage of the poorer farmers. And also went around the estates he could not go through (the bend in the Northern State).Still I think he preferred the lower class to use the parks he built within the City rather than travel out to the island. But remember, before Moses built the parks, people had nowhere to go. They would picnic in cemeteries or alongside the side of the road. He did make great improvements. |
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Posted by Future Motorman on Tue Feb 13 16:51:08 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 13 08:26:19 2007. I though of the A, so I just picked one of them. The A has such a great distance to cover already (207st-Rockaways), so I picked the 1, because it just goes to South Ferry, and VCP. |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue Feb 13 18:04:58 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 12 14:26:59 2007. Horace Harding Boulevard pre-dated the LIE so they would not have been on local streets but on a surface parkway that probably would have been widened to three lanes each way, had Moses not built the LIE.And how would this be any better? A widened road would still require the taking of property. Freeways are clearly better than surface arterials. First, traffic lights can only be synchronized in one direction, so that traffic traveling in the other direction would have to stop every few blocks. If you rig the lights to provide long greens and short reds for the arterial, cross streets and pedestrians get screwed. A freeway is much easier to cross than the surface arterial. A person crossing the LIE at grade is far more likely to be killed than someone crossing Queens Blvd, but no one has to cross the LIE at grade. Queens Blvd can only be crossed at major intersections just like a freeway, but you have to wait for a light to do it. The fact that a freeway divides a neighborhood is a myth, if anything, it unites it more than a surface arterial would, as a surface arterial is more difficult to cross. So given that some kind of high capacity automobile corridor is necessary, a controlled access highway beats a surface arterial hands down. Moses never intended for any of his Parkways or Expressways to dead end. I believe he wanted to have the Prospect Expressway go all the way to the Belt Parkway by tearing up Ocean Parkway. The only extension of the Prospect that Moses proposed was an extension to the Cross Brooklyn Expressway at Avenue I, had that been built. |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue Feb 13 18:08:13 2007, in response to Re: Set Your VCR, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 13 12:32:51 2007. That is false. Horace Harding Blvd began at Queens Blvd. The section of the LIE west of Queens Blvd is a completely new routing, replacing the two lane (1 each way) Borden Avenue, along with no road at all between 69th Street/Grand Avenue and Queens Blvd (other than discontinuous local streets). |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue Feb 13 18:19:25 2007, in response to Re: I AM A HIGH SCHOOL STDENT! Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Sun Feb 11 13:39:22 2007. Fucktard. |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue Feb 13 18:20:13 2007, in response to Re: I AM A HIGH SCHOOL STDENT! Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by American Pig on Tue Feb 13 18:19:25 2007. Oops, I just realized my post could be interpreted more than one way.What I meant was that fucktard was the word Westinghouse used, not that anyone was a fucktard. |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue Feb 13 18:22:23 2007, in response to Re: I AM A HIGH SCHOOL STDENT! Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Sun Feb 11 14:29:06 2007. .yvaN eht nioJ |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue Feb 13 18:24:43 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Westinghouse XCB248S on Sun Feb 11 13:05:22 2007. Whoop-dee-do. |
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Posted by Westinghouse XCB248S on Tue Feb 13 18:36:09 2007, in response to Re: I AM A HIGH SCHOOL STDENT! Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Sun Feb 11 14:29:06 2007. .eurt si taht |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Feb 13 18:45:14 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Feb 13 14:34:14 2007. So what the hell was the rennovations about a few years ago? For all that trouble they should've built a new bridge. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 19:09:02 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Feb 13 18:45:14 2007. The bridge was ready to fall into the East River before they did all those renovations. It's obviously cheaper to repair the existing bridge, and rebuild it, than start from scratch, but obviously, they still have to work with the basic design of the original. The roadways were completely rebuilt, as well as the entire transit infastructure, as well as the walkways. But it's not like when they do that they can reconfigure the way the bridge is layed out, although the walkways, which aren't structural like the roadway infastructure, are completely redesigned, and reinstalled completely differently. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 13 19:12:42 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 13 15:38:03 2007. It's the OTHER projects that were JUST as important to the city that he stepped on...I understand all that, and agree, but it's not like any other cities were getting money for transit projects in that era either. But again, it's not like if he wasn't getting money for the road, etc stuff that if he didn't get the money for that, that all that federal money would have been going to transit either. It would have gone to some other city for their road project instead. There were little to no people anywhere in any ciet out there trying to get money for transit. It was the era unfortunately. |
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